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The fact that Greece and Turkey force NATO to deal with
Macedonia in such an elaborate way doesn't mean that we should do the same. I think "Republic of Macedonia" or simply "Macedonia" is the way to go. Personally, I think using FYROM advances a Greek POV. Macedonia is in much more common usage
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Besides spelling and dates, one of the main items I had hoped the NATO WikiProject could resolve was how to refer to the country north of Greece that is currently blocked from membership. NATO uses "the Former
Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" with a footnote that always points to "Turkey recognizes
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English should be used. I see no compelling reason to standardize article about NATO or to recommend a style for new ones. I think it's far simpler to follow the existing policy, which is just to keep the spelling consistent within an article.
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After reviewing the above discussion, and giving some thought to it, a new Places section was added with the general advice, plus a subsection on the ((FY)RO)Macedonia naming issue as flagged for continuing discussion. That seems to be the best way to approach it for now.
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Perhaps NATO-project articles can informally work with "Republic of
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has a standard that I can reference when one side or the other tries to change it to reflect their viewpoint I'm happy. I don't expect any NATO page to ever refer to
Macedonia the province, except in reference to the dispute
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Seems discussion has settled a bit. Would it be appropriate to adopt the current initial content as the project conventions? Expansions can be expected anyway (e.g. will want guidelines on article names, categories).
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Yes, it sounds fine. There are guidelines, so they don't have to consider every scenario. Again however, I would like some mention on
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WP:ENGLAND may not have specified the variant because this seems to be covered in the main policy. However, the section was updated to promote the general policy, with some background as to usage history.
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