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You seem to have had a hard time defending an article or two, Andrew - and you're clearly a wee bit more bitter about things as a consequence. I have personally seen articles challenged at AfD through to improvement and survival on many, many occasions. The clear, bright line of three good sources is
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Suppose an article has a 50% chance of survival if improved -- that cuts that already-tiny marginal reward of editing in half, and not many folks are going to keep going for long. Add in the fact that negative feedback has a much stronger impact than positive feedback, and the rewards of this kind of
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and received no opposition, and no opposition in the AfD, rather I was told this wasn't even controversial enough to take to AfD. I also now feel that redirecting the old pages would be preferred in order to preserve page histories, rather than deleting. Should I just withdraw my AfD and take this to
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This would be bad enough if the harms of AFD were limited to nominated articles, but -- circling back to TFA -- its harms extend much more broadly. In particular, I suspect the highly subjective and unpredictable way the notability guidelines are enforced in practice on AFD plays a major role in the
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And all of this harm is done (by the gleeful bullies who congregate in AFD where their behavior is socially rewarded and protected from consequences by a culture of weaponized civility) in service of a goal that is, as you note, of very limited value to the project. A hundred bad articles are less
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That is a normal way of doing things. However, if you do personally feel this is too controversial to take that route, you are free to delete the PROD tag and refile as an AfD now... however, given the lack of substantive additions to the article in years, I suspect you'll just save other editors
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Oops, that was not my intention. I assumed this deletion proposal might be somewhat controversial given it is a biography, so I wanted to open up for AFD. It sounds like it's an either/or thing with AFD and PROD. I guess at this point I just wait to see if the PROD goes through and then take next
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on the spectrum of 'should X have an article' would far prefer that cleanup happening outside the scope of AfD and those articles that are ultimately keeps not ending up nominated at all) but if one is getting burned out on parts of the project, taking a step back is a prudent one.
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197:. Note that all of the "for discussion" pages handle not only deletion, but also proposed mergers, proposed moves, and other similar processes. AFD is "for deletion" because the volume of discussion has made it necessary to sub-divide the work by the type of change.
276:(1 in 85 editors) have also made 1+ edit to an AFD page. Most of the participants are experienced editors, but newcomers and unregistered editors also participate. Most individual AFD pages get comments from just a few editors, but the numbers add up over time.
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so I can move from draft space to main space? (I'm hitting technical issues trying to do this myself.) Would this be seen as trying to get around the community, or is it just the obvious uncontroversial thing to do here? Any assistance would be appreciated.
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