Knowledge talk:Articles for deletion/List of Louisiana Baptist University people (second nomination)

2958:. The final tally was 42 delete, 18 keep, 11 merge. I discounted 8 votes (7K/1D) for being either from newbies or not having real reasons (e.g., "it exists" -- my big toe exists but it doesn't deserve an article). Even if I had kept them, we'd have 43–25, or 63% delete. Also note that most merge votes were "merge or delete." This really should be a merge IMHO, which should satisfy the inclusionist bloc who don't want to see the content deleted. Really, we're talking 44Kb for a list of people? The vote stacking also really disturbs me. I noticed that a number of the people in the inclusionist bloc all voted on the same AfD discussions, all right in a row, which strongly implies they were here only because of their wikiphilosophy (still, I didn't discount their votes). 2584:. There is absolutely nothing wrong with nominating an article for deletion that doesn't actually contravene policy in good faith, as some people are trying to make out; that is what AfD is for, so editors can nominate articles they think aren't acceptable and leave it to others to decide. Making a fuss just because something is nominated, almost before people have even begun to vote, shows either a) lack of knowledge of the deletion process or b) lack of confidence in the ability of the article to survive outside scrutiny. I know the only thing worse than making sides is picking one, but really, there is no need to try to be even-handed just for the sake of it here. -- 2436:

questioning the objectivity of both sides here. Equating a campaining email like this with vote stacking, ballot box stuffing, etc. does not follow. He's simply fishing for support and there is not a damn thing wrong with that. Now, I'm not saying that the author is not biased or that he does not have a POV. Its obvious he does and its obvious what it is. But CLEARLY, many of the people who are voting to delete here HAVE a POV and it is EQUALLY OBVIOUS. The question for me is, can we verify this article, is the list a useful research tool, and can it be made to confirm to the NPOV requirements of the wiki.

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relevant constituency. Of course, I don't think that doing this make the university respectible. I'd expect to find a lot of bias in such an institution and I wouldn't be inserting it into any mainstream flows. But at least we would honor the constituency which the institution purports to represent and not engage argumentation which, to many baptists, must appear quite insulting.

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really think that those of you pushing so hard to remove this data are as biased as the author of the articles. You are just biased in another way. The problem here is your particular bias carries with it the aura of objectivity (cause your defending accreditation and all the other "holy above holy" academic stuff) but its not. Its bias pure and simple.

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Comment: How can you justify putting something that is still under discussion and something that hasn't gone beyond the status of "suspected" at the top of the page? That is OBVIOUS POV and should not be tolerated. Putting it somewhere in this crumb text would be okay, but putting it at the top makes

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From you that comes as a compliment. Gastrich has been e-mailing Christian contributers in wikipedia. Since your info boxes are supportive of his position it is likely you would have received one. If that is not the case I apolgise for the presumption. Others have said that that is the reason they

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I noticed that you were listed as a Christian Wikipedian. I am, too. I wanted to let you know that in the last 24 hours, someone has nominated 12 Christian biography entries for deletion. Not only does this seem like bad faith and an affront to a lot of hard work, but I'd like you to come and vote on

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Anyway, I've said enough. what am I doing typing this late on a saturday night when I have better things to do???!?!? Most of these bios should be deleted and the one or two notables could be merged into another article and this wiki really needs to come up with better criteria for judging articles.

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With all due respect, you haven't read what I wrote and what others have written. I took the 10 well-recognized criteria and showed that LBU only met 1.5/10. I also wrote above things that are opposite a diploma mill's standards. Plus, I've given my personal experience regarding the numbers of years

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If you read AfD a bit, you'll see that template is very frequently used in situations where lots of new users or non-frequenters of AfD show up. Such people often are a little unclear on what AfD is all about, and the template and others like it are used to clarify the rules about sockpuppets, that

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nothing is lost by leaving a portion of this data here (merging). Just note the university is not state accredited (and any other qualifiers you want to add) and let the readers decide for themselves. Its ridiculous to try and purge the wiktionary of all this stuff. Fact is, fundamentalism is a big

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accademic work. Lack of accreditation creates a strong presumption that a school is a mill, and I've seen nothing from you to rebut that. You misrepresent the nature of accreditation: there is no "governmental accreditation", only private agencies recognized as legit by the government, one of which

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Solicitation is never a good idea. Besides, though I am not Atheist, I can simply look up a bunch of Atheist people in Knowledge and solicit them to vote to delete this article. Wiggins behaves the exact same way as you do, and the edits on that account are mostly only about this article and other

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He's also making a quite serious accusation about me personally, only he doesn't have the guts to come out and say it. All this is specifically about my nominations, so this stuff about "unbelievers" means me. Only I'm a Christian, as he was aware of before writing. So he's accusing me of being a

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previous encounter that included another Christian. I find two things interesting about Gastrich's use of "WWJD.'" The first is that Gastrich has been asked this many times with respect to things that he writes or his own acts, and the reference above is the only direct response that I've ever

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is actually a good example, since it served as the basis for his "Master of Arts" from the school and, according to Gastrich, also served as the basis for his "doctorate." I'll be looking over the alleged "thesis" and "dissertation" when I'm in that part of the country, come April, but if what I

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Don't start crying now. And try to keep the users religious views out of this. Knowledge is for everyone, not your elite cadre of people with no life and +10 000 edits. Everyone can vote. Also, this is an encyclopedia, not a gaming club. Use english, not made up words like "meat puppet" (what is

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RoyBoy already pointed out the idiocy of Gastrich's claims about LBU and his "score" with respect to a list that he picked (out of many that could have been picked). RoyBoy was quite right to point out that the it was not an all-or-nothing proposition with respect to the list, but Gastrich just

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You're absolutely right. It was all done to skew the voting and make people turn against me and bias their viewpoint of the nomination and the entry. It's a pretty sick tactic. It shows they care little about the actual strength of the entry; which should be the only thing considered. Since the

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I was thinking to as I lay in bed, being non-accredited is irrelevant here. If we really want to judge this university fairly, we should call a few other baptist type universities and ask them what they think of this university. This way we can assess the school using a rubric that includes the

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As far as the rest of the people on the page, clearly most of them probably don't deserve to be on the page and really the page should me merged with something else -- not enough content. But I think the data deserves to be here regardless of how questionable the tactics of the author are and I

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is a diploma mill are being debated. However, if you read the talk page for the entry, you will see that the university clearly doesn't meet the criteria for a diploma mill (e.g. it has a campus and on-campus students/teachers/courses, founded in 1973, has 1100+ students, has lenghty degree and

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You can't have it both ways though. When the "Wiki4Christ" or whatever club goes out and solicits votes it's "campaigning". But if I were to go out and solicit votes for deletion I would get accused by Jason Gastrich and others of being some sort of evil atheist censorship cabal. I find the

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I think fundamentalists are weird and really misguided but I really think that you're overreacting. The university is not a diploma mill. I get advertistments from diploma mills and this one isn't of the same genre. It is simply non-accredited and their is precedent for institutions avoiding

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I got this email to. And I'm here because of it. But I can make up my own mind about these things. I'm insulted by the implication that just because I was led here by this email, someone I can't distinguish or discern. I CAN. I won't vote automatically to keep these articles but I'm really

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can't seem to get it. Draw your own conclusions. LBU does not teach research skills, investigatory skills, nor critical thinking skills. It has exceptionally lax standards, in practice and is sub-standard as an educational institution. Gastrich's own alleged "rebuttal" to the

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writing requirements, requires lengthy dissertations and theses, etc.). The only criteria it does fulfill is that it's unaccredited, but many Christian institutions elect to avoid governmental accreditation and there is no evidence that LBU tried for it and didn't get it. --

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government accreditation because of the restrictions that come with that. Now would I hire a graduate from this school? no. but that doesn't mean the school isn't notable. If it has thousands of graduates and it graduates go on to publish stuff, its notable.

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The fact is, you couldn't. Most aren't notable at all, and most (like 99%) notable Baptists have nothing to do with the place. As for LBU being a starting point for the history of baptist thinking, I'm insulted. I mean that seriously. You think

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AJA, you call yourself a Christian, but you are very quick to offend them. Do you realize that there are 1100+ students at LBU and thousands of graduates? I'm sure your callous and erroneous accusations are quite offensive to all of them. WWJD?

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All I've seen from Levicoff is someone posting an alleged quote of his on Usenet. While on his "sabbatical" job hunt, Horn is supposed to be getting his book from the library. Maybe he can scan a page that mentions LBU. If he could, then we'd

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it is prohibited to use a sockpuppet to create a illusion of a broader support for your side of the argument. Your "campaigning" comes from you and your sockpuppet, and you even admitted that you use sockpuppetry to aid yourself in AfD.

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I'm just going to abstain from this abstention. I'm currently in the process of re-evaluating my status as wiki-inclusionist and may change my mind re the whole abstention option. Perhaps what is needed are new abstention categories.

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there's obviously a lot of emotion on both sides and for me, that's a red flag for bias and personal involvement. Maybe both sides need to take a step back from the computer screen and evaluate their positions and statements on this.

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You're right. From what I've seen (even from this very same editor), he could have said the result was "no consensus". I'd like to know why he didn't say that like he did with some other entries he recently closed and kept.

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I've noticed no actions taken by the so-called deletionist 'side' that compare with vote-stacking, meatpuppetry, personal attacks, and above all, the attempt to divide Knowledge into martyred Christians and the atheist

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LBU doesn't "claim bogus accreditation." No, it isn't the whole thing. If it was, the list would be absurd and invalid. Furthermore, who is to say that it's the main point? Oh yeah, Dave Horn (WarriorScribe)

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because of the alleged misconduct. Consequently, they and the people who are engaging in this witchhunt should be ashamed of themselves. They've done irreparable damage to their integrity and to Knowledge.

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Nonsense. Your emailing specifically names articles of yours and the deletion votes ongoing. You're not "encouraging participation," you're trying to influence the AfD votes. And quite blatantly at that.

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Ho, hum...Gastrich gets it wrong again and tries to sneak in a reference to his stolen-domain-name group (which allows no rebuttal) and his lies? Several of them have been exposed, rebutted, or refuted

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Wiggins asked people to vote. He didn't tell them how to vote. It's sad that you accuse me of having a sockpuppet when Wiggie simply happens to be of the same mind. Many Christian people think alike. --

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Mote, beam, etc. The person whose integrity has suffered most is you, for ineptly using a sockpuppet to recruit votes. The warning wouldn't be necessary if you hadn't attempted to disrupt conensus. --

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AfD contributions aren't really votes, etc. It's not some piece of trickery cooked up to deny Gastrich a win, it's just a standard tool in the arsenal of an AfD. There's no conspiracy at work here.

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hypocrisy in this AfD alarming. And if you'll look below you'll see that meat puppetry is starting to have some success ... look at those various keep votes from users with hardly any edits. --

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As a matter of fact, I have read it. There's no 1.5 about it. Claiming bogus accreditation isn't half a criteria, it's the whole thing. And as was already pointed out to you, the two are the

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As a matter of fact, I have read it. There's no 1.5 about it. Claiming bogus accreditation isn't half a criteria, it's the whole thing. And as was already pointed out to you, the two are the

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As a matter of fact, I have read it. There's no 1.5 about it. Claiming bogus accreditation isn't half a criteria, it's the whole thing. And as was already pointed out to you, the two are the

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have seen thus far is any indication, given Gastrich's rather superficial thinking skills and almost non-existent research skills, demonstrated thus far, I don't expect to be surprised. -

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have seen thus far is any indication, given Gastrich's rather superficial thinking skills and almost non-existent research skills, demonstrated thus far, I don't expect to be surprised. -

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seen. The second is that it's also interesting that, in light of his actions, he's been asked that a couple of times, hasn't answered, and now copy-cats the question to someone else. -

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Face it: you guys "lost" (in the sense that the article was determined by the majority of Knowledge users to be non-notable). Get over it and fight another battle some other day. --

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The article is worthless for both uses you suggested it could have. It's not only non-notable, it's presence, by claiming notability it doesn't have, is positively misleading.

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I'm an ass for stating the obvious? Gastrich e-mailed you to participate and here you are. That is neither POV or controversial its just what happened. Or do you think that

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It's too bad I missed the vote, as I came to this topic late, but having the instituion listed as an example of a diploma mill is worth noting somewhere in Knowledge.

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false brother, without having the courage or honesty to say it plainly, or even the basic fidelity to Scriptural teachings to discuss it with me privately first.

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Thank you for starting a new section. I have a wimpy browser that won't load the whole thing into the textbox and I've had something I wanted to say.

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offending Christians. You know, it wouldn't take much to go into the Google archives and find lots of examples of Gastrich doing exactly that. -

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Gastrich has done a pretty good job of stretching out his throat and handing out knives in the last 24 hours or so. You'd think he'd want to keep

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Gastrich has done a pretty good job of stretching out his throat and handing out knives in the last 24 hours or so. You'd think he'd want to keep

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Gastrich has done a pretty good job of stretching out his throat and handing out knives in the last 24 hours or so. You'd think he'd want to keep

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You're an ass for being an ass. Simple logic. When did anyone mention an email being sent to me? And yes, I think user Last_Malthusian is wrong.

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Sarcasm is not so Christian. His point is the last time you participated in an AfD was Aug 2004. i would have thought that was obvious.

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You are spreading gossip about wikipedia and presenting it in an unfavorable light. Will the new editors arrive expecting hoardes of "

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Again with the lies, again with stating suspicions as a facts. Can ANYONE provide a good argument for why the intro should stay?

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As a result of the serial disruption of AfD and other questionable behaviour, I have raised a user RfC on Jason Gastrich, see

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the entries. These nominations seem peculiar because some people are even presidents of universities and well known authors.

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articles related to Jason Gastrich. Pretty blatant, eh? I would have already filed a RfC, but the paperwork is too tedious.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Louisiana_Baptist_University_people_%28second_nomination%29

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it look like a fact and obviously influences other users. This concerns this page aswell as the other LBU-related AfD.

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I like how you seem to think a real Christian would never say anything that might offend the likes of Bill Gothard.

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I like how you seem to think a real Christian would never say anything that might offend the likes of Bill Gothard.

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I like how you seem to think a real Christian would never say anything that might offend the likes of Bill Gothard.

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Says who? From what I understood, you needed a concensus to delete it. And there DEFINENTLY is no concensus here.

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Actually, in the US the government does not accredit schools; private organizations do that. Thankfully.

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Actually, in the US the government does not accredit schools; private organizations do that. Thankfully.

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Actually, in the US the government does not accredit schools; private organizations do that. Thankfully.

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Well, many reasons for not keeping it in had been given in the discussion, until you removed most of them

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unbelievers also edit there and they actively try to silence Christian input and revert our contributions

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Those aren't the criteria for a diploma mill. A diploma mill confers "earned" degrees for nonexistent

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Those aren't the criteria for a diploma mill. A diploma mill confers "earned" degrees for nonexistent

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Those aren't the criteria for a diploma mill. A diploma mill confers "earned" degrees for nonexistent

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LBU from the same section. Here's a list from Levicoff's book, let's see if LBU meets that criteria.

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LBU from the same section. Here's a list from Levicoff's book, let's see if LBU meets that criteria.

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LBU from the same section. Here's a list from Levicoff's book, let's see if LBU meets that criteria.

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Very untrue. The comments posted above were to question the strength of your argument, as per

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Neither is being an ass. The last time I participated in an AfD has very little to do this.

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from voting. I hope that gives at least one person severe chestpains tonight. :-)

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Below are some of the links that need attention. Thanks for your consideration.

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Gastrich would be the article originator who attends the mill in question. The

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it has taken to earn my degrees from LBU. I wrote much (or all) of this at

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finally have one somewhat reputable source calling LBU a diploma mill.

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Either that or we all gotta buy some boxing gloves ;-)

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