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of citations and bibliography. Weber writes: "This decision perpetuates one of the greatest weaknesses involving the entirety of Norman’s Beatles work; failure to distinguish between evidence and authorial interpretation. Sweeping generalizations are made and readers are informed multiple times what specific historic figures were thinking/feeling at any given moment, but whether these accounts are supported by evidence or wholly the result of personal, authorial speculation is not clear."
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Norman's historical distance is improved, though not ideal — most historians recommend that at least fifty years has passed since the subject is deceased, whereas McCartney is still active. Norman's bias has seemingly evaporated, which is the biggest improvement. Where Norman remains weak is his lack
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as "a flawed work of history for three reasons: inadequate historical distance, lack of documentation, and deliberate authorial bias". She adds that, "These weaknesses continued to erode its overall value and credibility as more research was done, sources became available, and impartial analysis was
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Hi, I hope this is not an insensitive thing to bring up, but should we maybe mention that Ono and Lennon named and registered their dead sons in 1968 and 1969? Her article refer to one miscarriage in 1968 but technically speaking this child would have been stillborn (or according to
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the boy actually lived for a little while, not sure where he's getting that info from tho). John's article mentions three miscarriages but the boy miscarried or stillborn in 1969 seems to have been
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Norman's biography of McCartney came out in 2016, too late to have been discussed in Weber's book, but she writes a blog to keep up those which have since come out. In her
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I do think there’s still a lot to be done. A couple years ago we tried to get all the albums to GA/FA but it fizzled out due to lack of motivation.
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has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the
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to the talk pages of all Beatles-related articles. Send a newsletter to members, canvas for new members and coordinate tasks. Enter articles
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George and Ringo are really neglected in Beatles books. I almost want like a Ringo version of the Lennonology books, Ringology, perhaps?
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The best George bio – like the best Paul bio – is likely still to come. Beatles scholarship is in many ways still in its infancy.
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The recent George bio does have some refs in the back, however it mostly seems to be from his previous work from what I remember.
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was always reliable when it came to Beatles sources, especially George stuff. Hopefully he comes back to WP soon. –
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This article does not yet have a related to do list. If you can think of any ways to improve the article, why not
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has a very anti-Paul bias, but I have no idea about his recent individual biographies of John, Paul, and George.
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No. Even then this WikiProject as a whole is practically dead so it wouldn't matter much anyways. –
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What about Ken McNab? I’ve been reading his ‘63 book recently and it seems pretty solid so far.
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Bummer. I'm not so familiar with album articles but I do like to do work on biographies.
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be put under this project, given that some of the singles are Beatles-related?
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Evidently the ones used in all the George solo GAs were good enough, though.
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If it’s dead should we add a semi-inactive/inactive template?
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Talk:Revolver (Beatles album)#Requested move 29 February 2024
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I'd gladly use this page if anyone else is still interested.
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on Beatles historiography, Erin Torkelson Weber identifies
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that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.
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