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I'm still in favor of using "of the United States", as it's not the formal name (United States of
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Of the UK is actually rather complicated, given that certain categories such as
British politicians will have to be split into of Great Britain and of the UK depending on the time at which they served, as the UK was created after many British institutions, which British foo would actually cover.
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Being UKian, I can say that yes, "of the UK" is OK. Unlike with the US(A), there is no alternative abbreviation used. There's GB and NI (Northern
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Well, I would only write UK out of laziness, but I think it probably is more common. I'm not sure what would constitute a good source for that though; most websites would probably use it without periods. I suspect, though am not sure that U.K. is more accurate but I also suspect there is a
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Another Brit here. "Of the UK" - certainly not of UK - really is rather colloquial. U.K., if an abbreviation need be used at all, certainly would be the more formal approach. But first a question: when would U.K. be used over United
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Alright, so is this section drifting toward the compromise we came here to get? I'm happy to run with either "Things of the USA" or "Things of the United States"; the latter seems to be the more widely wanted in here at the moment.
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