Knowledge (XXG) talk:Featured articles/Archive 13

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protection would happen when articles/files were on the main page, it would probably be a non-issue. The bot that used to add move protection to the articles on the Main Page, however, has not been functioning for some time, and there have been multiple issues with lack of protection of those articles and images, as I understand; however, I don't profess to be an expert here, and I know nothing of the cascade protection that had been used for a long time but apparently is not being done consistently now. On the other hand, I can speak fairly well on the subject of moves of articles to completely inappropriate titles, and the vandals who enjoy doing this. Let's just say when they're working as a team or have a bunch of socks fired up, my suppression button can get quite a workout, and FAs have been affected in the past. I understand NuclearWarfare and Scott MacDonald were going to discuss this at

241:(since defeatured)? If it were to become featured again, some opposed it no matter where we placed it, so the compromise was to go with a library classification scheme that grouped Philosophy and pyschology: it wasn't arbitrary, it was based on an existing scheme and solved the parapsychology problem. If it were to become featured again, where would you put it under your proposed scheme? If it were to become featured again, your scheme puts us right back to the dilemma over that article, which was bitter-- it's not "Health, medicine or psychology", but others rejected putting it into "Religion and philosophy": how would your scheme solve this? Likewise, we can't just leave out mysticism and mythology. 839:

argument about the need to include more experts is certainly indisputable. But the problem is the same as in the past - how to convince experts to write/review content for us? The article's author, while suggesting it should be "easy" to overcome, unfortunately, does not offer any practical suggestions. If one reads between the lines, he may be suggesting that we submit articles to review just like journals do, but I have a feeling that despite some changes, and more favorable attitude towards Knowledge (XXG) in academia, our rejection rate (academics not caring to review articles for Knowledge (XXG)) would be very high, much higher then for any journal. Still... liked the

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sun on the main page; however, move vandalism comes in waves and has affected FAs in the past, so this is also preventative in that way too. I don't think there's much question that the overwhelming majority of featured articles are at the correct title; they wouldn't have survived the FAC process with such an elementary problem. Nonetheless, should it be appropriate to move any FA to a new title, it can be done by any administrator who believes that a case has been put forward to do so. It will also prevent good-faith but misguided attempts to move a FA to another title.

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If the article has been passed at FA, then community consensus has determined that it adequately covers its topic, and if editors disagree, that's a subject for said article's talk page. So I think my proposed rule of thumb still stands as a good guideline: If an article dedicates more prose to the congregation, file it under Religion. If an article dedicates more prose to the architecture, file it under Art and Architecture. Every article should be filed under the category that best categorizes its subject matter.

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somewhere that psychology was increasingly usurping philosophy, because of its empiricism, and he was and is right. Today, the epistemology of psychology is inductive, while that of philosophy is deductive, and this is a very large difference. I support separating the two, given their present nature. The divorce is permanent. Philosophy, religion, and mysticism clearly are non-empirical, speculative, and when logical at all essentially deductive. They belong together far more than do psychology and philosophy.

31: 2348:. (2) I never said anything was set in stone. I did say that you're confusing the issue (which you did not respond to). (3) I note that you chose not to answer most of the points I made in my response. (4) Respectfully, it isn't up to Raul or Karanacs. Its up to the Knowledge (XXG) community, which is why we're talking here on a community talk page, and inviting comment from all comers. 747:

lots of places and find the same information. This is an improvement, but still has serious failures, and is time costly (not a real solution for the FA page, Sandy tells us.) In more modern times, we have been using keyword search systems, then full text search. Those do about as well as we can hope, and can obviously be used on the FA page as well (the full-text search solution).

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where there's been a dispute, an official external category system has been used to arbitrate. But this is an aspect of WP that pure democracy isn't helpful: it wastes too much time discussing the petty when we could be writing articles. We have three bright and wise people in charge, and for as long as they maintain the respect of Wikipedians, we should respect their decisions.

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have to check each article to see where they fall. If someone could put that in a user sub-page so I could move it in, I'd be grateful. Also, I may forget the sub-cats when adding new FAs, so I hope others will keep an eye out and move anything I place incorrectly (also, please doublecheck my work-- I may have missed some).

3652:. It's probably time to make a change, but deciding how to do it is not going to be easy or fast. There will be as many opinions as editors over how to split the larger categories, but FA has gotten big enough that we need to take a measured approach to the whole page. Let's see what Raul and Karanacs and others think. 1122:" (my emphasis), so this removal of all protection is explicitly a deliberate act, not an accidental byproduct of changing the move-protection status. This looks to me like yet another example of an admin inventing a non-existent policy and demanding everyone follow it; I've certainly seen no discussion whatsoever. – 546:

knowledge, philosophy of mind, philosophy of law, philosophy of science, philosophy of religion. It has no more in common nowadays with any one of these fields than with any other—but to compare it to the less rigorous ones is particularly unfortunate, given that it seeks to be more rigorous than any of them.

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I think I'm done for now: comments? We still need a sub-cat scheme for Biology. I suggest Flora, Fauna, and Fungi, with anything else not falling into those sub-cats left out at the top of the Biology category. Doing that work is hard for me, as I'm not familiar with the scientific names and would

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Some of the larger categories are becoming hard to browse. To make some of them more readable, I propose creating a Biography sub-category within the larger categories, but that won't aid readability in a couple of the Categories that have few Biographies. I'm hoping to keep the sub-cats as general

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It is essentially impossible to find an article in the warfare section. I am estimating there are about 350 entries in there. Of all the sections, it is probably the easiest one to split: either per millennia, or perhaps say before and after the industrial revolution? A few more sections have similar

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Why single out FAs for move-protection? The only relevant "Pro" is the Main Page bit, which ought to come as MP standard like image-protection. It's generally a poor design choice to apply restrictions on a general class without regards to the attributes of the individual components. This proposal is

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began using Twinkle to apply move protection to all featured articles. I'm not sure how far he got, but the process was stopped after a few objections were raised, largely (as I recall) because the use of Twinkle meant that existing protection settings (for example, pre-existing semi-protection) were

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If if absolutely can't be both, then I guess I would vote for "architecture." The congregation would be in a separate article. Note that there are a lot of congregations. In the past, a congregation was "kindda" considered notable IFF it had a building. Without a building, we are opening up Knowledge

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Hrm... I don't know about that one. I think that all devices and inventions (be it a microchip or a space station) should go in engineering, except maybe transport-related ones since there's a transportation category. Apollo 8, an action, is harder to categorize that way. That one could reasonably go

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Good- we'll get it sorted. Thanks for bringing that factor to attention, Wehwalt, because I hadn't noticed (if I had, I would have responded here sooner), but we'll get it right regardless. That is one of the reasons, though, that we don't want this page changing willy-nilly without broad feedback.

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This was most definitely something I should have thought through further and not done while jet-lagged. It was not my intention to remove semi-protection from a large number of articles. I understood that it would be removed from some if I used Twinkle to move-protect FAs, and I planned to check them

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The strongest argument, though, is that archaeology as a reasonably well-defined topic of its own that is quite far removed from both art and architecture. It's far, far closer related to both "Culture and society" and "History" and it seems to have stuck with the arts on account of some historically

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If what is being looked for cannot be found, the page fails - it's not usable by ordinary readers. If we seek to maximize usability, we'll solve the problem more quickly and with less effort. For that, I think using full-text search is a pretty good solution. BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE TO

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Forgive me if this has been brought up before, but is there any specific reason why hard spaces are not used in the Featured articles list? I find it rather odd that middle dots should appear at the beginning of lines, and it seems to me that the dots ought to always appear right after the last word

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I believe MemChu is in the right place, since its architectural importance is more than that of the congregation, and the article covers them in the right proportion. Have a look at some of Jayjg's Jewish congregation/building articles; from my perspective, unless the architectural significance of a

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I think you're mixing up what we're here to discuss. The purpose of this discussion is to determine whether churches and other religious buildings belong under religion or architecture. So asking whether a particular article adequately covers one thing or another has no bearing on the topic at hand.

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I think you're mixing up the chicken and the egg: the correct question (which should be evaluated at FAC) is whether the article devotes sufficient space to each, according to reliable sources. I happen to be intimately acquainted with MemChu, but not your building. MemChu is clearly more relevant

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that is somewhat related to the issue of the FA star (and the desire for a GA icon). It looks at a broader issue by focusing more on helping readers understand our assessment system, rather than just focusing on recognizing quality content. Feedback, positive or negative, is strongly encouraged. –

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It makes sense for this article to be placed under Engineering and Technology. Other than it being an orbiting body, the ISS seems to have little to do with Physics and Astronomy. As I understand it, the onboard experiments are mainly related to technology, material science and the life sciences. (I

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is both engineering and exploration of space. I'd say change one or other of the section titles to read "Engineering, technology and spaceflight" or "Physics, astronomy and spaceflight". Actual events or missions are harder to classify, and are more in the spirit of "exploration". But regardless, my

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Just in case your watchlist seems hyperactive today: the featured articles are all being move-protected. This means that they cannot be moved to another title except by administrators. The main purpose is to ensure that they are not moved to an inappropriate title whilst they enjoy their day in the

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RATIONALE: The core issue here should not be "how to categorize". All categorizations done prior to a knowledge search will fail early and often (something well known by those with training in Library Science). The solution in classic categorization systems is to cross-classify, so that one can look

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Just a note - although I haven't read the above discussion too deeply, I agree with proposals to put psych into health and medicine. I am so-so on putting philosophy with religion and mysticism - it's not a perfect fit, but it's not terrible either. There aren't enough for Philosophy to stand as its

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I say this proposal is heading the right direction, but is not yet well formed. I cannot really support either option, as psychology no longer belongs with philosophy, and most of it cannot be seen as belonging either with health or medicine. I would be happy to frame different proposal, building on

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Because psychology addresses not only the hardware of the mind (the brain), but more importantly the software (learning of all sorts), it cannot be placed with medicine, which is at its core about the use of substances to heal by altering the body's biochemical dynamics (along with surgery, which is

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Sorry, the more I think about it, the more I do think combining psychology and philosophy is artificial...and will cause more headaches when we do other articles - eg personality disorders, drug abuse - there are a stack of articles we could squabble about whether med or psychol. Ditto some religion

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I think so, but I defer to the biologists. Also wonder if anyone sees a different way to sub-cat before we do this? The idea is to make the page more browsable, without making it even more of a chore for sorting in new FAs or too difficult for Raul to pick TFAs. Geography is also approaching 200,

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I was afraid you'd say that; remember, I'm not suggesting we completely divide these cats-- only add subcats. Some articles will not be in a subcat, rather in the main grouping. Also, the only category with a lot of biographies that doesn't reach the 100 threshhold is Politics, but it will be there

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I think the rationale of "it's not a big deal, so protect" is exactly backwards; protection should only be used when disruption is likely, or if a disruptive edit would have serious consequences, which is absolutely not the case for the majority of FAs. Open editing is the lifeblood of the project,

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That in itself raises more questions: What is considered "adequate"? Standford Memorial Church spent maybe a fifth of its prose on the congregation, and two thirds on the building. That says to me that the structure is more correctly considered the "subject" of the article than the congregation. In

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That's fine. I have nothing against the article, it is just that the situation is new and the community needs to look at it. And when I said "candidate", I guess I meant that it was stated at one of the TFA pages that there's an intent to nominate it. Putting it on the article talk page does not

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The move protection does not in any way affect the editing protection status of the articles; those few that are fully- or semi-protected remain so, while the vast majority remain open for anyone to edit. Full disclosure: I am leaving this message because I made some inquiries when my own watchlist

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I wouldn't mind an Ideas category, which could include issues such as parapsychology—though that could also go into psychology. An Ideas category could also include philosophy and religion, but so long as it was focused on ideas and it included lots of others too, there would be no close comparison

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I'm fine with splitting philosophy and psychology, which are unrelated, but not with combining philosophy with religion or mysticism, which are similarly unrelated. I wouldn't mind seeing philosophy with another academic discipline such as history, but placing it with religion and mysticism gives a

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It's a good question (and there was discussion of getting Apollo 11 to FA last year for the 40th, but there was no time). No matter what the answer is, space travel-related articles should be consolidated at one, and only one topic. Including astronauts (though Glenn is a special case due to his

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to make this really work we must ALSO put at the head of the FA page the simple advice that people use their browser's search function to locate what they're looking for, if the categorization doesn't locate it for them. (This may seem like needless advice, but my work with designing web pages and

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I'm not sure everyone would be happy with "Ideas" (more discussion will tell), but at least this is the kind of novel proposal that deals with parapsychology, which certainly can't be grouped with health and medicine, and the broader issues of categorization. I feel another long discussion coming

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choice of category combination/split. There as many ways of categorising FAs as there are editors, and nearly as many arguments with at least some merit. We currently have a system (I believe) where the FA director or his delegates decide the categories and which articles go in which. In the past,

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I'm going to be busy today. If anyone has time to put up a mockup of my suggestion in their userspace, it might help (unless Raul weighs in here and disagrees with my idea). Remember, not all articles will need to go in a subcat-- they will stay in the main category listing. We only separate out

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FWIW, the only place where I think this matters is in categories. Lists can have cross-references. For categories, redirects can now be included in categories, and this is the solution here also. I think this should be done rarely, only when there is some real reason to think it is best known

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Currently, the symbols that are placed between the links to the FAs listed on WP:FA are joined to the link following them using a non-breaking space, so that they may appear at the start but not at the end of a line. His Grace would like to move the non-breaking spaces, so that the symbols can no

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for example. (I assume you mean "displayed on the main page"; if you mean "designated as a featured article" then that's visible too, in the "Article milestones" list.) I don't know if this is universal but it is true for the more recent articles at least. I wouldn't like to see the date on the

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While I have much less of a problem with move protection then edit protection (less of a problem to normal users) and these articles are unlikely to be moved often if at all the "necessity" of it all (and the consensus to do so) is definitely arguable. If people want it then I'm fine with it but

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As Colin says, there are as many ways of categorizing FAs as there are editors, and the problem in this discussion is the same as it's always been: none of the opinions expressed are similar! Tom Cloyd, for example, signs on to the proposal as a Support when his discussion specifically disagrees

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Psychology is a huge and growing field and deserves its own group, unless we put it with sociology and anthropology, which I would strongly support (having graduate degrees in 2 of these 3 fields). All deal with aspects of human nature. All are strongly and increasingly empirical in their method.

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Thanks for doing that, Ucucha! Looking at the result, and wanting to keep sub-cats as minimal as possible, I don't think we have enough plants and fungi to warrant separating them (yet). (Compare it to my division of "Warfare", where each of the sub-cats is still larger than many cats.) Pending

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I think move protection shouldn't be too big a deal for established articles—most moves will require consensus in an RM anyway—but I also see very little in its favor. As far as I am aware, there has never been any particular problem with FAs being moved. TFAs should of course be move-protected,

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Somewhat critical, but valid enough to discuss. I don't think that the argument about people supporting because of lenght holds merit (although frankly I haven't been active around FACs much in the past year or two... but I hope the process has not deteriorated that much). On the other hand, the

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Psychology belongs with medicine about as much as anthropology, which also has a strong interest the organic human being. Neither, however, are at all "medical". I support pooling those three, and leaving medicine with the biological sciences. One could make a case for placing psychotherapy with

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Includes: Bodies of water and water formations; Geographers and explorers; General and human geography; Islands; Landforms; Nature reserves, conservation areas and countryside routes; Urban and historical sites; Earthquakes. Note that this includes National and State parks, but not urban public

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I hope our choices aren't complete consensus OR autocracy. That leaves out a rather obvious functional alternative. Pure consensus can easily slow, arduous, and an idealistic failure. Avoidance of those problems is why people vote. But usually there is a hearing of argument pro and con, which I

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I hadn't realized: there ARE no anthropology or sociology FA. Yikes. I'll predict that non-psychotherapy psychologists, should any show up, will NOT be happy with the Health/Med./Psych. grouping, but until we have enough FA in Psych.+Soc.+Anthro., Cas's grouping is better idea than the present

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Philosophy and psychology at one time had much in common - both addressed the question of human nature (with philosophy going far beyond that). The library classification system was assembled during that time - before the emergence and florescence of scientific psychology. B. Russell commented

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This may have been discussed in the past, but why aren't there subsections (along the lines of those at WP:GA)? For example the Media section is incredibly long, and if one might be interested in searching for an article in that section, it will be incredibly difficult to do that. Is there an

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Interesting point, Iridescent; doing a spot check of NuclearWarfare's logs, I didn't see any articles that had been semi-protected at the time of adding move protection, so I can't honestly say. Personally, I'm on the fence about this one; if there was some assurance that the appropriate move

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Tom, as it seems this has been discussed many times, I won't try to go through it again, but I must object to your point that "philosophy, religion, and mysticism ... belong together far more than do psychology and philosophy." Philosophy is a rigorous debunker, a meta-activity: philosophy of

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I've been editing here for less than a year and when I first started I had no idea how to identify a featured article. In my opinion, a featured article should have more than a little star on the top right it. I don't think Knowledge (XXG) is a bad source but a a portion of people, including

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I'm working slowly to see what others think first; can make refinements as we go. I'm still planning to sort Media bios, and then we'll see what we think about continuing. Warfare was still above 200, so I refined it further. Need those biology guys to come up with a scheme and put it in

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That archaeology articles have been bundled with art and architecture has bothered me for some time, but until now there's not been nearly enough to create a separate category. By now, however, we're up to at least seven clear-cut archaeology articles (only two less than "Food and drink"):

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I don't want to tread on anyone's turf, but if there is no overt objection to my idea, I would be happy to make the first effort to adjust the FA main page as I have suggested. But I do need sense that this is wanted before I invest the time/effort. Now...back to working on my pet article.

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to multiples of 10. At the time of this writing, the actual value is approximately 1 in 1139.96. As this value is slightly smaller than 1140, the displayed value after truncation is correct based upon the current system. I will let others debate the benefits of alternate methods of

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Actually, the current situation is worse: there are no non-breaking spaces in the list, so the aforementioned symbols simply hover between the two links, as it were, and may appear either at the end of a line or at the beginning of the next. There is no consistency at all. Here's an

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I don't think all religious buildings would need to be in the same category: cleary some might be more notable as religious buildings others as architecture. If an article is promoted as FP it means there should be clarity about its notability. I see the difficulty of categorizing

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The problem is that many titles sound really weird in English (and even more so in other languages) without the initial articles. However, it helps find things to have a uniform rule, even if it does sound weird sometimes. The traditional library rules in American libraries are:

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be moved from its current category, Physics and Astronomy, and be moved into Engineering and Technology. The article deals with the spacecraft itself, a feat of engineering, and the station crews carry out experiments in a wide variety of areas, not just physics and astronomy.

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academics, do because of the editing liberty. I think a different label with the star would seperate the article better. Is there a reason for current star? My apologies if this was covered in a past discussion but I was reluctant to look through 7 years of posts. Thanks. --

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See? I feel a repeat a of a bitter years-old discussion coming on :) This is why we used a library classification system to combine Philosophy and psychology ... any other scheme results in other problems, other opposition. I hope editors weighing in here will read all of

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I don't know why, but there seems to be an error in the math that is being done. When it says that there are currently x amount of articles and x amount of featured articles. Therefore 1 in 1130 are featured. The math doesn't add up. Doing simple division, it's 1 in 1140.

3060:) to find the associated feature date of an article one is interested in, but when coming across an article bearing a gold star in its corner, it's a shame that it doesn't also inform the reader of the exact date is was featured. (I assume that's been discussed before?) 2179:

Yes, but that raises another issue: when a building has an active congregation, is the article comprehensive if it doesn't adequately address the congregation? Stanford Memorial Church did both, so I'm still unclear how we divide these articles. More feedback needed.

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Sandy: Fair enough. Wehwalt: I had the article reclassified as an Engineering and technology category article back when it was GA, and only just noticed it got misclassified again upon reaching FA when I began reviewing things for the TFA candidacy later this year.

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and be aware of the issues we already covered, and the arguments advanced there, to understand why we combined Psychology and philosophy, so we don't have to repeat the discussion and end up back at the same place; maybe someone will come up with a novel solution.

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final thoughts) I agree with Colin - we spend our time better by working on article content. Arguments about the "structure of knowledge" are clearly not easily resolved without agreeing to a number of presuppositions, and we haven't. So, I propose, instead:

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I did a "Ctrl + F" for "changed protection" in my logs, and opened in tabs all that it matched. You are right that I missed that one though, and several more that appear to have been on a third page that I had not seen. Within a few minutes, they should

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is currently listed) or Health & Medicine—to me, it's primarily an article about a sufferer from an eating disorder/digestive disorder. I can see cases for Culture & Society (where it's currently listed), Food & Drink, and even MILHIST, as

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I don't see much point in dividing by hemisphere, since we have very few Southern Hemisphere articles. Americas vs. Africa-Eurasia doesn't seem very natural either, but we have enough U.S. geography articles that just separating them would work fine.

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Putting philosophy by itself is fine by me. That just wasn't the proposal. Parapsychology, no longer taken seriously anywhere in academic psychology (that I know of), has always been housed in the psych. department. But that's all history, now. It

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logic is substantive. Also OK with merging philosophy, religion, etc., for reasons already stated. It seems reasonable to take account not only of common features, but also of number of articles in a group. Philosophy needs buddies, right now.

1746:'s orbit on 12 April 1961. I'm looking into getting Gagarin to featured status. Over the next nine years, leading up to the 50th anniversary of the Moon landings in 2019, we would hopefully see a lot more work done on articles relating to the 3949:

I'm not sure we want to go down the path of creating too many specific sub-cats like that-- trying to keep this as general as possible. Also, that category doesn't strictly need dividing yet, so sticking to Biography and other might work.

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web sites has taught me that many people do not know the basic functions of their browser, IF they even know they're actually using one. Trust me on this. Sad news, but true.) Instructions for specific browsers can be put in a page note.

2409:, as is notable for both while the article is mostly about history..., but if it has to be chosen between architecture vs religion clearly the article has a stronger emphasis on the building so it would fit under architecture. -- 551:

Raul, yes, it would be terrible. It's one of the quick ways to tell a bad book store from a good one: the bad ones put philosophy (on the rare occasions they have any) next to religion and anything vaguely mystical, so that

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I prefer "History" or "Culture and society". "Health and medicine" would not be as good a fit IMO; the article's focus is on an individual with an affliction, and not a health-related topic or about a medical pioneer.

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It's been over a week since I started sorting bios; since no one has objected, I'm going to continue that work for the larger categories. I still don't know how to handle Biology; some sandbox proposals would help.

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as possible, and avoid over-segregating the page; hence the Biography sub-cat proposal. We should only propose a different scheme for very large categories that can't be made more readable by separating Biographies.

3670:. That would address all of them except Biology, which might have "Flora" and "Fauna" sub-categories added. I am opposed to any scheme that will create a large number of different subcats in each category, such as at 1650:

This is a tricky one. It makes sense to me to put it with the Shuttle-Mir Program, but, as something that is orbiting the earth, it also makes sense to keep it in the Physics-Astronomy bucket with Hubble Telescope.

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You'll notice I said "yet" :) A few years ago, we had a rash of Dinosaurs, and suggestions that they should have their own sub-cat-- I like to see enough already there before we sub-divide based on anticipation :)

2691:? These two volcanoes are mountains, and mountains are a geographical feature. Just wanted to point this out because I see other featured volcanoes like Loihi, Loa, del Ruiz, St. Helens and Tambora are listed in the 4783:

A US/everywhere else or North America/everywhere else split would, I think, split Geography quite neatly 50:50, as it stands. Other countries/continents could then be be split off as and when it got unmanageable. –

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I see that the page is updated manually, and that Zorglbot just marks the articles that have appeared on the Main Page. I don't know if switching to hard spaces would affect the bot, but I have left a message on

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be move-protected); where I have an issue is with the unilateral removal of edit-protection which appears to be NW's intent here. If you think 4channers "on wheels"-ing pages is annoying, you're welcome to add

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Let's not worry about that factor; Raul has a better sense of where to classify things than I do, having been at this much longer. I'm sure we'll get this sorted. You might want to ping Raul and Karanacs.

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I like the idea of splitting out meteorology. For biology I like the suggestion above of "Animals vs Other" as that seems easiest for the non-science minded people to follow. I'm torn on the other ideas.

3110:, as well as in navboxes all around Knowledge (XXG), the lack of a bullet or dash at a line's end suggests such division, and I find that readability on this page suffers from the lack of this distinction. 2450:

While my gut instinct was for "architecture", on reflection I think "religion" is more appropriate. Otherwise, it opens up too much of a grey area for Architecture to become a catch-all group for buildings—

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Since this is English wikipedia can't we just deal with the English cases (i.e. ignore "The", "An" and "A") and for the sake of simplicity just leave everything else in the exactly as the title states it?

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I'd leave it, but if someone wrote an article on the Saturn V rocket, or the lunar module, an actual object, put that in engineering. Most of the later Apollo missions used effectively the same devices.--

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fact, that's not a bad rule of thumb: if the article dedicates more prose to the congregation, file it under Religion. If it dedicates more prose to the architecture, file it under Art and Architecture.

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Includes: Countries; Africa; Asia; Australia and the Pacific; Europe; North America; South America. "Places" covers countries, states, counties, cities, neighbourhoods, and other political designations.

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would go under L because i would imagine everyone thinks of it with the article. I do not think "An Experiment on a Bird in the Air Pump" is in that category--myself, I think of it without the article.

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Shouldn't Knowledge (XXG):Featured Articles be a Featured Article since it lists every single Featured Article on Knowledge (XXG). It just seems weird that it's not a featured article I'm just saying.--

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Some of those don't make sense to me either-- let's wait to hear from others (including Raul and Karanacs). This page needs to remain as stable as possible, and it doesn't hurt to wait for feedback.

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Thank you, thank you, thank you, Sandy, for taking the lead on this!! One question - would it make sense to change the contents area to have a link to the bios for each section. For example: ·

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as an architectural structure than a congregation, since it's a student (transitional) congregation. In your case, I'm not sure, but the question is, did you adequately cover the congregation?

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The easiest and quickest fix I can think of (that would address most of the larger categories) is to add a "Biography" subcat to all categories larger than <pick a number, I suggest 100: -->

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I don't understand why islands aren't part of the second (one of the reasons I'm cautious of strictly adopting GA schemes). And I don't understand at all why they have earthquakes in there.

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doesn't consist of plants, after all). Animals will be by far the largest category; we could perhaps do with only that category (as Iridescent suggests above). I'll make a draft subdivision.

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Should the strange religious spiel be there? It has been there for a while, it seems, and I hesitate to blitz it, but it looks to me like the contribution of someone who doesn't understand.

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Please list other proposals for the Categories that aren't easily separated by Biographies below, including a Sandbox link if possible, so Raul can easily evaluate these when he weighs in.

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We could easily do subcats for "Animals", "Plants", and "Fungi", though, which are less vague terms than "flora" and "fauna". (I think we may well have more FAs on fungi than on plants.)

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afterward to see which semi-protection had to be readded to. I shall do a detailed check of the articles I have already protected, and will not protect any more until I open a thread on

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I also need some discussion here to generate more clarity, since we have some active congregations in Religion. (On the other hand, I may forget the conclusion and goof next time :)

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Thanks for the notice: I reverted. However, that edit doesn't convert the article to FA status: an article is only featured if it is listed on this page by Raul654, Karanacs, or me.

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If we have to do one or the other, I say put psychology with medicine. But...that leaves sociology and anthropology out in the cold, and ignores the fact that MOST psychology is about

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They differ mainly by focusing on different levels of organization relative to human systems. There is a great deal of cross-fertilization, however. They make good conceptual buddies.

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under Architecture instead of Transport, and so on—which will ultimately lead to confusion as related articles aren't kept together. IIRC there was a similar discussion about whether

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I would rather not see it move while it is an announced TFA candidate. While Colds7ream's reasons are no doubt entirely proper, I'm concerned about setting undesirable precedents.--

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as evidence that it isn't rude, and a mechanism has been provided to do it. If you don't like it, I won't do it to your posts anymore. You still haven't answered my other points.

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with what he's supporting! And no one yet who has opined has answered the query that led to the current categorization: under whatever scheme you propose, where would you put

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Looking again at the stats, there may be a more logical break at 75 (rather than 100), but Royalty is almost all biographies, so I'm not sure dividing it will be helpful.

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building with an active congregation is established by sources and the article, it goes in Religion (I don't want to be constrained by what reviewers happened to address).

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Initial articles in English are not included in the alphabetization for book and journal titles, though they are included in the title itself, as found on the title page.

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Do we have any featured articles on astronauts or cosmonauts? There are a chunk of 50th anniversary events coming up next year and over the next few years, starting with

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Biology could probably split neatly between "animals" and "other". An animal/plant/fungi split would break down as soon as someone decided to write an FA on a virus. –

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PS. On another note, it would be interesting if the author would post the reviews publicly, so we could improve the articles based on them. Will anybody contact him? --

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was put in Religion. When I moved it to Architecture, it was reverted. Can I get some consensus here? The article is about a neo-Romanesque cathedral. Either

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When articles are promoted to FA, they automatically loses its GA status; therefore, when an article loses its FA status after an FAR it is not a GA either.

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talk page just in case. Other than that, all that would need to be done would be for the page to be updated to the new style—an easy job, if a tedious one.

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Are we supposed to post here? I'd also be fine with Iridescent's proposal; Nergaal's seem less intuitive and/or use less generally understood categories.

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Incidentally: " The primary fields of research include human research, space medicine, life sciences, physical sciences, astronomy and meteorology."

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Hmmm ... we may have a problem. That link may be indicating it's an FA on another (language) Wiki. If so, my revert may have been incorrect. The

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seemed dead, hence just commenting here. Is there any reason why nominations at WP:FTC are lying there for so long? Is any one promoting them? —

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Please make this work again. It's broken and it would be the best browser homepage. Regular random article is a little too random to be useful.

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seem to recall that at one point it was proposed that a student telescope be mounted on the station, but I don't know that much came of it. :-) —

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Cas, in principle, I am not opposed to your proposed split, except ... you do understand that Psychology and philosophy came about because of a

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of an article title/link, so that one can easily tell whether such a title at the end of a line appears whole or is divided between lines. At

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Not the talk page, the project page listing all the Featured Articles. It just seems weird that it's not a Featured Article of some kind.--

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that we accept the present use of the structure drawn from a (unnamed - US Library of Congress? Dewey?) Library categorization system, BUT

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I'm looking for a featured article of a town with less than 5000 inhabitants, to use as a model. Could anyone help me find some? Cheers,

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Let me be more clear; if I again write an entire paragraph, and you split it to suit your whim, I will revert. It's rude; please stop.

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If anything, I think the current star is too prominent (I'd happily see it vanish altogether). "Featured article" means it complies to

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the congregation is mentioned in just a single sentence. The article is about a structure. I think it belongs in Art and Architecture.

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distant administrative fluke. There's naturally always room for a broad range of articles within a single FA category, but cramming in

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makes FA, it will rightly go under Art. I'm going to invite some folks from Architecture and Religion over here for their opinions.

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Another issue is that MemChu is non-demoninational, while your building is clearly Catholic-- affiliated with a specific religion.

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Use of Twinkle for mass protection removes pre-existing semi-protection or pending changes (perhaps a bot could solve this problem)

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is listed as a featured article, but it's articlehistory doesn't show where it was promoted. After a little digging, I found it at

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has us avoid "The" or "An" in article titles, my confusion mostly occurs in books and works of art. The two issues combine iin

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Geology, geophysics and meteorology: should simply be split into two: Geology and geophysics, and then separately Meteorology;

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on, which happens every time an editor appears here and wants to change the page :) So be it ... putting on my seatbelt. :)

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for biology: choice 1) living and extinct; choice 2) vertebrates and everything else; choice 3) organisms and everything else

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Update: I have performed that check, and all of the articles that I changed the edit-protection of should be back to normal.

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no more, among serious psychologists. Insufficient supporting data. But, it belongs in psychology, by virtue of its history.

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grouping, because all these fields are about human beings, share a concern with the organic, and use inductive empiricism.

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belongs in Biology but a specific metabolic disorder that causes illness would belong in Medicine. Similarly, articles on

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I'd rather not grow the TOC-- what do others think? My current plan is to separate bios only on cats greater than 100.

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Can we have a separate category for rice rats? :) I agree that separating the animals only will suffice for now. Should

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It's not too difficult with wikEd find and replace, I reckon. I'll do that if the bot doesn't have a problem with it.

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belongs in Medicine. I don't see the case for moving Psychology any more than the case for moving aspects of Biology.

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rst20xx, who has been running FTC, has been gone for some time. Wizardman has closed a few FTCs lately, though.

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overridden. I'm not starting an RfC or anything like that, but I'd just like to seek some input on whether FAs

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gets out of alpha order due to article name changes; in trying to correct that, I'm discovering my ignorance.

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I hit a snag when alphabeticizing Art, Literature, Media, Video gaming, and a few others. Copying this from

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article page itself; I think there should be as little as possible to distract the reader from the content.

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I suppose you've finally noticed that alphabetization is not my strong suit? 20:58, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

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for an FA which contains a list of victim names in hide/show format (hidden by default). Comments welcome.

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It does not apply to personal names that have an article as the prefix--these always go under the article.

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We have a discrepancy with foreign language articles, when "El", "La", "Los" etc. is part of the title.

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Quite a few articles had long-term semi-protection removed in this process. Just to name a few others:

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The move protection most certainly is "affecting the editing protection status of the articles" – the

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was semi-protected and now no longer is. I'll re-protect it when vandalism remains at a high level.

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long political career, and I would argue is better known today as senator rather than astronaut).--

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Later - this seems to have vanished. (I don't think I was hallucinating). Pray ignore the above.

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Psychology is no closer to medicine and health than the food or biology categories. The article

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The date on which an article was featured is usually visible at the top of the talk page; see

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were not hit by the run - were articles that were already sysop-only move-protected excluded?

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might belong in Psychology but the clinical diagnosis of the illness defined in medicine as

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Its by an anon IP so thought it best to check with yourselves before changing it back :¬)

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to your watchlist and see what happens when NW's run through the alphabet reaches "i". –

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medicine, but that would require splitting it off from psychology, which makes no sense.

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Doesn't solve Geology and meteorology either; I think my idea just went down the tube.

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DGG, could you help me understand how libraries alphabeticize book titles? Over time,

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as FAs. However, as Sandy said, not every article would need to be in a subsection.

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I'd argue that a congregation and a building are two different things. Further, in

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I don't think we can divide the organisms in two subsections that easily; we have

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are not included. It requires knowing the language to get this right in all cases.

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longer appear at the start of a line. This is similar to the current situation at

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Sandy is right, and I shouldn't have even bothered giving a reasoned argument for

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of philosophy and religion or mysticism. It was the comparison I wasn't keen on.

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Hi, I only have a question. An user an me have a little edit war on the article

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template is the one we use. I'll go check now, and may need to revert myself.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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state that this is what is being done, and why, at the head of the FA main page

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so we'll eventually need to solve it, but I don't feel any urgency just yet.

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I'd prefer to use "Animals", "Plants", "Fungi", which are less ambiguous (the

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with the article. Copy this if needed at a discussion, & tell me where.

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feedback from others, I suggest only separating Animals for now. Feedback?

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There are a further six that could also possibly go into the same category.

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Why isn't geography and places split into geography and separately places?

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who was bonkers, not the mad vandal. Most grateful for your explanation.

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Feel free to add to the list of pros and cons. All comments are welcome.

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to be split - each has more in common with other areas - the former with

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biographies on the large cats, and Biology according to something else.

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Are books and works of art handled differently than regular alpha rules?

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New proposal on promoting reader understanding of assessment processes

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Same for me :) Raul will decide-- that's why he gets the big bucks!

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Maybe, as long as it is at least say 5 entries long (the biography).

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What are the chances of the right people coming here to discuss it?--

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Per Iridescent: Animals subcategory (all else is Other, or general)

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and whether a change in the manner of calculation is appropriate. --

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I think where one would ponder an article fitting into psychology

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at 129, possibly doesn't need division into separate categories.

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section insted of the geology, geophysics and meteorology one.

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and should only be curtailed when there is significant need.

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ought to be listed? My gut instinct is either History (where

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and I am wondering if the article is or not a GA. Thank you.

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Knowledge (XXG) talk:FAC#Journal article labels FAC a failure

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parks, which should be listed under 'Sports and recreation'

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I don't know what the question is; can someone translate?

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St. Michael's Cathedral: goes in Religion, or Architecture?

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be moved into the Engineering and technology category too.

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I'm not convinced-- moving it back pending more feedback.

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That's the point. It is a project page, not an article.

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rainian Wiki. I was confused as there is no UK wiki.

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Thank you for pointing this out. It's been fixed now.

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I agree with Colds7ream - it belongs in engineering.

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Only 127 articles, not helped with Biography sub-cat

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be move protected (only move protected) by default.

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No dissenters? Right - I'll execute the change. :-)

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protection for protections sake is a little meh :/.

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Fresh input would be appreciated at the RfC. 317:Knowledge (XXG) talk:Featured articles/Archive 8 3442:, and all of the others beginning with "The"? 786:remove the extra vertical bar character in the 103:Proposal on splitting philosophy and psychology 1771:be classified if they were featured articles? 1750:, both from the US and Soviet side of things. 779:Edit request from 173.24.230.108, 5 April 2010 3869:Keep up with any interim additions/deletions? 2969:disadvantage of having subsections at WP:FA? 2794:is an FA; the town has a population of 200. 2462:was filed under Architecture or Transport. – 1699:Then I guess Apollo 8 should be moved, too?-- 8: 2046:The apparent discrepancy is the result of a 1356:was missed. How did you perform that check? 1118:are "Move-protecting all featured articles. 1587:inform those involved in the TFA process.-- 4794:That might help Raul sort mainpage bias. 4204: 3128:I agree; hard spaces would be preferable. 3056:I know one can look at particular dates ( 2454:under Architecture instead of Politics, 2050:. The calculation is performed using a 1911:I just had this come up on my watchlist 1023:might be of interest to the folks here. 866:This article is being discussed over at 3628:Subsections for the very long sections? 3439:An Experiment on a Bird in the Air Pump 2844:, with an earlier failed nomination at 2675:Not that it really matters, but should 1049:Knowledge (XXG) talk:Words to watch#RFC 3486:For other languages, Initial articles 1179:, but I'm probably out of synch now. 1090:Featured articles being move-protected 972:Chaco Culture National Historical Park 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 18:Knowledge (XXG) talk:Featured articles 2923:, does anyone have any opinion where 888:; please continue dicsussion there. 850:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 7: 4260:Geology, geophysics and meteorology 3604:Phew! I thought briefly that it was 2689:Geology, geophysices and meteorology 2117:St. Michael's Golden-Domed Monastery 2105:St. Michael's Golden-Domed Monastery 841:Knowledge (XXG):Academic peer review 433:this one, if this one goes nowhere. 4498:Separate category for United States 4223:Art, architecture and archaeology 3035:OK. Thanks for the info Ucucha. — 24: 2252:— continues after insertion below 2221:— continues after insertion below 1471:Space Shuttle Challenger disaster 368:altogether different, of course). 126:Religion, mysticism and mythology 113:Religion, mysticism and mythology 2710:Crackdown featured article image 2620:(this page is not an article). 2407:St. Michael's Cathedral, Qingdao 2162:St. Michael's Cathedral, Qingdao 2125:St. Michael's Cathedral, Qingdao 2113:St. Michael's Cathedral, Qingdao 657:. You may simply have missed it. 528:thought was what we were doing. 415:per se. 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