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meters are better than nothing. As it happens, a few minutes ago I corrected an error of 50 meters in my own coords for an urban photo, so no use my complaining about other moderately dirty suppliers. You might want to get into touch with whoever thinks they handle coords in WikiData; they might have something important to say, like, nevermind importing WPDE or other WP language coords into WPEN; just put it in WD and use a template to show it in
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currently shows coordinates are displayed to a precision of 0.1 second of arc. This is ridiculous overprecision, and entirely inappropriate to an article about such a serious subject; coordinates exist to show location, not to identify a particular doorknob. I've added format descriptors to the coord
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