Knowledge talk:Pokémon Adoption Center/Archive2

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sentences that often overlap and repeat each other. Besides, there's no challenge in just copying and pasting data; it's the presentation where we should make a difference from other sources of information! In fact, I would dearly like to convert all "Pokedex" sections in Pokemon articles to "Biology" sections if I was certain I wouldn't offend anyone in the process. Do you think that would be OK?

2774:) all trying to essentially do the same thing: Improve Pokémon coverage on Knowledge. Many people will think it's just "fancruft" but there's a pornography wikiportal, a chess wikiportal and even a Middle-earth wikiportal and I think Middle-earth is just as important as Middle-earth in terms of culture and what there is to write. If this is a bad idea then just shoot me and I'll shut up. -- 947:'s story and characters in that article. The Maxie article had zero encyclopedic information (Just a game name, an affiliation, and a GameFAQs stat list), so I wasn't going to merge it, just replace it to a redirect to an article that placed the character in context. I've still got a half-written chunk of the R&S rewrite in a .txt file; I'll polish and post it when I'm not distracted. 1202:, responding to our queries in a civil and reasonable manner and delisting the articles in question as soon as we gave him the appropriate feedback. His edits were motivated by the articles lacking information, which is an understandable reason, as well as a motive for us to touch them up if and when we can. 3265:

has begun to expand away from simply expanding the Pokémon species stubs, I propose that the Wikiproject page be reclaimed and updated, with new style info and current projects, which would serve the dual purposes of overtly reviving that project and turning this from an ad-hoc VFD rescue effort to a

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This one isn't ready for prime time, yet, though; I was hoping to add a section like "First appearances of this Pokémon" or "Notable trainers of this Pokémon" something like that, to help crosslink the series, game, and character articles. Does anyone have any ideas on how to do this (or ideas how to

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More than just creating a numbered list, we'd also have some problems to work on... for example, there's no consistency among the pokémon movie articles now. Additionally, when to consider a character minor (such as Duplica, who only appears in one episode of the TV show) and when to consider major

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I don't know about you, but I found the previous look of the Applications section a bit cluttered, like a busy noticeboard. I found it difficult to tell users apart, and often messages concerning the same user were found in two different places in the section instead of grouped together. I changed it

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Contributors, please let me know what you think of this. Keep in mind that how we word and quanitify our goals doesn't change what we're doing here (though it does have an impact on "morale") and regardless of where our stats and goals stand, this project is a phenominal success and you're all doing

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Height, weight, type, and species are all comprehensible to a lay reader, or explicated with links. (Personally, I think we could lose type and species, too, frankly, but I'm pretty exclusionist.) Blocks of unexplicated game stats are not comprehensible to a lay reader, or even a significant portion

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These are not, as written, useful articles. They aren't heavily linked, they aren't fleshed out, right now they don't establish notability at all, and PAC has about 150 or so Pokémon to plow through before getting to them. I'm not convinced that some of them can be brought up to full article status,

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I think it's a very good FAQ - it shows what we are aiming for and what drives us and is likely to draw new volunteers or supporters. I can't think of another question to add right now. I think I'll add something to the "top three editors" section. Even though it can be inspiring (and I am certainly

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It's not as much a matter of copyright for me as a matter of style. Even if it is OK for us to repeat the Pokedex entries, I think it is much more appealing for the reader to see a cohesive piece of text that weaves the information provided from the Pokedex entries, rather than a bunch of ten short

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I'd consider it canon. Let's face it, Pokemon is messed up. If you look at the game pokedex entries for Jigglypuff, it often says that it mesmerizes opponents with its eyes as part of its sleep song. However, in the show it often puts people to sleep who can't possibly be looking at its eyes (all

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I'm just fairly exclusionist. I personally think that Knowledge shouldn't necessarily be a repository of all the Pokémon-related knowledge in the world; I just think that Pokémon is an encyclopedic topic and most of the related articles are in disgraceful condition. Let's take advantage of the fact

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I would also, however, like to rid the Pokemon before and after the article Pokemon of their Pokedex numbers (look in my expanded articles for an example). Those can be inferred from the middle Pokemon's number anyway (just add/subtract 1!) and this way we won't have an ugly (#26) taking up a whole

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But these articles aren't useful to anyone, right? Wrong. Even these stub articles will be of use to us -- by showing us what has come before, and how to organize improvements. Each Gym Leader has a fleshed-out history, thanks to their appearances in the manga and video games, and these articles

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Taking over the old Wikiproject, as far as I can tell, just involves going over there and updating the page and linking the in-progress tasks from that page. It's not like there's a formal process or anything, and I doubt anyone will object to cleaning out, updating, and crosslinking that page. It

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to anyone who hasn't played the Game Boy games. The card game doesn't reference these stats, the anime doesn't reference these stats, to my knowledge the manga doesn't reference these stats (cue three people yelling at me for getting something wrong about the manga again), and the ancilliary games

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I put in the list only unexpanded articles I discovered in the 3rd Generation. There should be more in the other 2 Gens, so I'll list them as soon as possible. I don't mean to make it harder for you, but the expansion process should be as thorough as possible. I've checked and corrected almost all

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because its similar to what we have here but seeing as we are no longer adopting pokémon, a pokémon adoption centre seems silly. The issue with reconstituting the WikiProject is thus: What are we going to do with the things that are there already? Archive them? I also thinkl that a WikiProject is

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Now, I'm not familiar with the manga, so I don't know just how much information can be gathered about a Gym Leader; but if a more knowledgeable editor than me knows for a fact that a Gym Leader article can become more than, say, a couple of paragraphs, I say go for it and give him or her justice.

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looks like right now? (Link is the version current as of this note, for your convenience.) I'm not destroying info, unless dropping the specific levels is a loss in your eyes. Instead, I'm merging minor, mostly-neglected substubs into an immediately useful list, to simplify linking, updating, and

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Well, technically, the DEX says Jigglypuff uses its eyes to make sure it has your attention, and then sings to make you fall asleep. So if you're paying any attention to the song (most people probably would be, since they're not used to hearing it), you'll fall asleep. That also explains why the

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Here's my guideline for these things: Don't make a change you don't need to. PAC is doing just fine as is... if we start trying to build a Poképortal, reclaim WP:Pokédex, et multiple cetera, we'll just start to divide those of us who have just really begun to come together. We'll also start

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For better or worse, ErezR's finding of 70 or so new stubs came as something of a wake-up call for the project. I think we need to restate our goals so as to focus on a monthly quanity rather than an amorphous final goal, since the final number of stubs for expansion remains in flux as we are

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Unfortunately, after becoming an admin over at the Interlingua wikipedia (and the only active admin period), I'm going to have to cut out of constant. Simply put, translating a Wiki interface without documentation and maintaining an entire wiki against vandalism, as well as expanding it, is

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Feel free to edit or expand it, as you would any WP article. However, please don't add anything to the FAQ about how to expand articles... I'm making a seperate article, the PAC Tutorial, to cover that subject. Above all, let me know what you think, and feel free to suggest additional

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I wouldn't be against adding animé info to the infoboxes, but if you moved too much out of the descriptions to the side boxes, you'd be right back to where we were when all the mass pokémon article deletion attempts began (which caused the creation created the PAC in the first place).

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Since almost all of the stubs have been expanded to articles, it's time to take a look at the articles and start getting them up to encyclopedic, cleaned-up shape. (This is setting aside the issue of expanding articles about Pokémon subjects that are not themselves Pokémon species.)

2048:. I actually agree that just raw stats on their own don't mean all that much to the majority of people. I don't really understand myself. I mean, in the games, the stats change as the pokémon gains levels and is given tablets (protein ...etc...) so when are these stats taken? -- 1653:

to see what SInestro was talking about with deleting the superfluous numbers; now there's only a number next to the name of the Pokemon in question, rather than next to the names of the Pokemon before and after. No infomation was lost, as long as you can add and subtract, of

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flattered by the mention!) I want it to emphasize that nevertheless, even one or two quality expansions are a welcome addition to the project, so even if one does not feel he has enough time to dedicate himself to a level of 15+ articles, even one article would be valued.

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We have completed 30 of 50 articles. This month's goal is 60% complete. To complete our goal, we would need to expand another 20 articles in 15 days, an average of 1.5 articles per day. If we reach this month's goal, we will have 130 stubs remaining to expand in coming

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I'm thinking about whether or not we should change the time limit for the current goal, seeing as how we currently only have to do 1 article per day to make it by the end of July. Unless anyone has any objections, I shall make the change in about 24 hours from now.

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It's arguable that the pokédex entries here can be fair use. And when it's 'arguable', it's safest to not include it until you're sure. That's why I've been putting paraphrased entries (sans redundancy) under the "biology" section of each artile I've expanded.

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That said, I'm not too fond about "Leaves of absence" being on the same level as the applicants. Maybe we could make the user headings level 3, and add an "Applicants" header before them at level 2, keeping "Leaves of absence" at level 2. (Hope it makes sense :))

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The same user then decided he should merge them into one big article and in the process get rid of information about their pokemon in the different games. I've reverted on the grounds thast no consensus had been reached. We have to do something about this!

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Note that Pokénav is a subproject of Pokédex, and those two projects have been idle for months. And, for what it's worth, Pokémon is an encyclopedic subject, but doesn't have the cultural or literary impact of Middle Earth, at least, in English-speaking

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We've already done 50/month, as the original goals specified... now that so many old articles have been re-classified as stubs, realistically, we need to come up with new goals. I came up with the old goals, so considering the old 50/month standard:

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be ommited; I liked them as a measure of comparison between the Pokémon, but they do seem rather specialist data. I think most of the information provided by the stats can be given descriptively in the article anyway (as in "Snorlax has a lot of Hit

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Linking the words National/Johto/Hoenn to the respective listing systems is an idea I have been using in the articles I have been expanding and naturally, I find it very good. It is informative to the reader and gives those lists a reason to exist.

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That said, since we're more concerned about expanding them to a non-stub level, we don't really need the info from those cards yet. All of those POKéMON have 10 entries as it is (if I count correctly), so there should be plenty to write about.

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a bit drastically so that every participant has his own space to post finished articles and future plans, hoping it looks cleaner that way. Do you find it helpful? Or do you prefer the old one? Alternative suggestions, if any, are also welcome.

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When we reorganised our goals in mid-late July, I combined July and August, as it seemed unfair to expect everyone to do a month's worth of work in 12 days (or whatever). Amazingly, we pulled it off, and with time to spare! You guys rock!

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Duplication is not necessarily a bad thing with things that are static like these (they change every 3 years at worst). Base stats serve a valid purpose in unambiguously explaining a POKéMONs potential strength, relative to other POKéMON.

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was formed to defend the stubs of the individual Pokémon, and, heck, I'm glad to be proven wrong after being the first to vote to merge those stubs. It's just that, with the completion of that project, PAC needs to inherit the work of

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You should note that these articles are not going to just stay untouched there forever -- with people like Sinistro and RealWingus backing us up, we can 'plow through' about 100 articles a month, and that's about how many there are

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As we have seen by the response to this "project", we can see that it doesn't need to be a WikiProject to be well-attended (and also 200+ stubs in 2 months isn't bad ;)!) Whatever happens, I think it unlikely that these users will

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If the thousands of copyrighted screen caps, artworks, and cover scans of books/cds/software/movies/etc are considered fair use, I see absolutely no reason that a brief sentence from a game wouldn't be considered fair use as well.

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Do note, first, that I delisted them from VFD after it was pointed out that they're recurring characters in the manga, a fact I wasn't aware of and something Google searching didn't tell me. They never even made it to the VFD main

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Anyhow, the GB game includes some special 'promo' cards unique to the game boy game, some of which has Pokédex information that's not included in another game that I can see. However, the game was made by Hudson, not Nintendo.

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I don't see why not. It does seem a long time to go, but 50 stubs a monh is not to be sneezed at, so I think our fellow Wikipedians can extend their patience for 40 more days, especially if we show them we keep at our purpose.

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is the whipping boy lately, I put a {{poke-cleanup}} tag with a commented-out note not to remove it until the Pokédex quotes have been paraphrased (and the introduction has been rewritten, since I'm stumped with that). -

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but I'm happy to be proven wrong. Until then, merging them into lists make reference easier, make it easy to link them, make it easier to find the info with search, and makes it easier to see what still needs to be done.

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been able to figure out a word's pronunciation using it, and I suspect I'm not the only one. How about we have a recording of a person pronouncing the word instead? I've seen it done in other Knowledge articles.

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Obviously, we'll add another 50 articles. The time limit will either stay put (so we plan to have done 100 articles during August), or we'll change it to be 30 days from now, or include the next month on top of

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I am vehemently against taking out the stats, although I haven't had the time to really compare the two things, since that's the neatest way to mention those things (and I do think that the stats are relevant).

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It just seems like the stats belong on the Wikibook instead of here on Knowledge. Part of me says we could lose the Abilities, gender distribution, and maybe the shiny color section, but I don't want to be too

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I mistakenly listed it for deletion, because it was listed as a 'new' page (which the vandal may have recreated or just deleted the content from the original) and which had been vandalised. Sorry about that. -

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the Name Origins of the Pokemon according to what I know (which is quite a lot), and even corrected a few of you guys' works. If you need some help, I'll be here. Assign me to whatever article you'd like. --

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Would anyone object if we combined the remaining 65 articles into one goal, secheduled to be completed at the end of the month? It would seem to make more sense than having 50 now, and then 15 afterwards.

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has discovered a lot of articles that were not listed as pokémon stubs. This has effectively pushed us back, and now it's crunch time. In order to make our goals now... well, you can see for yourself.

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Heya... recently, I've been playing the Pokémon TCG game for the GB. (My first time I played it, I beat it, in 2 hours 23 minutes, in one sitting... so there wasn't much replay value for a few years.)

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Yes - I like it. Could we make it into a template? The see also link would be automatically generated and it wopuld be made sgnificantly smaller on the pokemon page itself, allowing easier editting. See

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I wouldn't take out the stats section, and even less if they were to be replaced for "Notable trainers of this Pokémon"; I think this is even more irrelevant for most of the Pokémon than their stats.

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also for comparison purposes. I won't do any more until a consensus to do this is reached. BTW, A Man inBlack said go ahead so I did but only provisionally. I'll revert it if its not what we want. --

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I think that's almost inevitable, as we're getting pretty close to running out of individual pokemon to expand. I'd also like to turn at least one Pokemon article into a Featured article someday.

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For the record, I'm not much for Gym Leader articles including their Pokémon rosters, in the video games, levels and all; just a sample of the species they use is enough, I think. In fact, IIRC,

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has also been redirecting character pages, like Maxie, to the Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire page, thus destroying the work on Maxie's page. Please vote in the VfDs to try to save them from deletion!

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The lists you are creating should be created as categories, perhaps. (Category:Johto Gym Leaders, and Category:Hoenn Gym Leaders, perhaps, which are both part of Category:Pokémon characters?)

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Also, we need to contact the participants from whom we have not heard in a while, to verify they are still interested in expanding their assigned articles so that if not, we can take them over.

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Since the Height/Weight box takes two lines, it would look nicer if Height took the first line and Weight the second, instead of having one follow the other (How would that be done? <br: -->

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the way across town in its debut episode). Canon appears to contradict itself all over the place, and the best thing to do is just serve it up hot and let the reader decide what to believe.

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I moved both of the discussions about merging the Gym Leader stubs to archive as this page was getting pretty large, but I don't want to be stifling discussion. I still invite everyone to

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I'll step out of expanding Pokémon species articles, then, and look through pokéstubs (and already finished pokéarticles) to find what we can do to make Knowledge's Pokécoverage better.

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I was thinking more along the lines of ==Applications==, ===Applicants===, ====...====, ===Leaves of absence===, ==Important notice...==, but this looks good too, so no complaint here. --

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dividing our attentions, which won't help make good articles. I'd rather just stay here, and change our goals once we have all the pokémon species articles done. (Celestianpower has a

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be relevant, since they seem to be the 'genus' to the individual species. I'd say egg move lists, move tutor lists, TM/HM compatability lists, and trainer lists are all too in-depth.

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used to be a rather decent article on the character, until someone replaced it with mostly his Pokémon line-ups. I've been meaning to rectify this but I haven't got round to it yet...

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Like Celestianpower said, I'm talking about reclaiming the pages and marking them as depreciated and fixing the links or moving operations over there, not splitting this project. -

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If we also complete those 50 in that week, I guess we'll schedule the remaining 65 articles for the rest of the month. But we'll worry about that when we get closer to that date. --

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To keep this page from bloating and distracting from usual business as well as keep the dialogue from being fragmented across a half-dozen pages, let's continue this discussion at

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To keep this page from bloating and distracting from usual business as well as keep the dialogue from being fragmented across a half-dozen pages, let's continue this discussion at

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Thanks so much for informing us, Ryan. I've placed links to these debates on the main PAC page as well. I urge all our members and friends to vote and let your voices be heard!

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A link to the Wikibook gives all of this info, plus removes the temptation to duplicate other encyclopedic info (lists of TCG appearances, movelists, breeding groups, etc.) -

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A WikiPortal would be a good idea, but at the same time there's a lot of articles that need some love before or at the same time as taking on any new projects, that's all. -

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Abilities, Shiny color and Gender distribution should stay. Though it may be an idea if we changed Shiny Color to instead be an image of the Shiny sprite for the POKéMON. --

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I'm against using pronouncination in that format. Though I can see its use, it does no good if it's not in IPA or something, as dialects may prevent proper prononucination.

1227:. The mergeto tags I will be adding to the gym leader articles in question will be pointing there, and that talk page already has links to all of the fragmentary debates. - 983:. The mergeto tags I will be adding to the gym leader articles in question will be pointing there, and that talk page already has links to all of the fragmentary debates. - 2009:

Incidentally, I'm thinking Notable Trainers was probably a bad idea. I think First Appearances (with Game, Anime, Manga, and Card Game) would probably be a better idea. -

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I personally believe we'll just add 50 articles and leave the time limit be. If we've been able to do 50 in one week, we should be able to do 50 more in about four weeks.

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better than just a list. On another note (and I'll probably get laughed at for this), is it an idea to create a Pokémon WikiPortal? There's now 3 different projects (

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I think some of the other species articles need some work. Once everything is de-stubbified, some clean-up will still be needed on those that were not part of this.

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Wikiproject Pokédex is moribund, and half of the people on the roll call list haven't edited in months. Likewise, the Pokédex's Knowledge: namespace pages are stale.

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I'm inclined to agree in regards to TM/HM compatability, but egg groups might be useful. It's quite simple to explain, and could easily just go into the infobox. --

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The fact that all of them aren't quite to that state is largely a product of responding to people on a half-dozen talk pages instead of actually working on them. -

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just too formal. At the moment, I think that we have 7 dedicated users to our cause (without trying to put words into peoples mouths and in no particular order):

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If you're using two lines for height and weight, I don't see any reason to merge the two cells into one. That said, I don't want to see that wordwrapping, either.

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The (kind of) good news is that this doesn't change the number of articles we finished in the 24 hour period, as both of these were removed several days ago. --

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it? Keeping it at its current 'english-esque' system won't be helpful, but changing to IPA will just be just as unhelpful and will require Unicode support.

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Just as a side note: If you think all the content of the pages should be moved to Wikibooks, a projected dedicated to making Knowledge's coverage of Pokémon

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Note that not all POKéMON appear in the Johto Dex and the Hoenn Dex. That means we'll need several templates, or one flexible enough to allow for any case. --

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of these, we'll be fine. Resources/people will stay together in one place and I think it is basically a matter of name. I believe that we should take up the

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is probably the best place to discuss this, since all of the mergeto tags point there and to keep the discussion from sprawling across a half-dozen pages. -

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There was a Pichu article, but it was blanked by a vandal yesterday and mistakenly listed for speedy deletion. I have restored the pre-vandalism version:

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Agree with Almafeta, keep the base stats. They serve as a gauge of that POKéMON's potential power, and describing that in plain Englsih causes inaccuracy.

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Go ahead and create that one... we have a poké-stub template, and a poké-section stub template, a poké-cleanup template would naturally go with these.

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to discuss (not) merging the Gym Leader stubs into lists, especially since right now it's just Celestianpower, a passer-by, and me who've commented. -

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Not a big deal. Moving over to a new template infobox will do the job for us, since the old infobox is a raw table cut and pasted into each article. -

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and get started cleaning up their morbund articles? I was going to get started cleaning up the Pokénav link boxes, but the articles need love badly. -

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It might be a good idea to make a version of {{poke-cleanup}} with a reason parameter, though. In the meantime, I was using commented-out comments. -

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In my opinion, not a good solution. Although the stats are not critical to our mission, it's pretty clear that they boost morale and productivity.

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I believe the game was co-developed by Nintendo, so it would be canon. Of course, I don't have my game available right now, but I'll check ASAP.

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pokébuting so it isn't all that important really. BTW, If you und4erstood what I was just saying, you're a better man (or woman) than I am. --

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That said, maybe it's time to turn WP:PAC into a proper WikiProject, and taking on some of the tasks (such as making a WikiPortal) of same. -

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I've added some text about what to do to the template itself. Also, I'm unclear, does your last post say that a WikiPortal is a good idea? --

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that Knowledge allows for easy crosslinking into Wikibooks (and the fact that we already have an excellent Pokémon Wikibook in the form of

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Plus, the Game Boy games are what spawned all those other things, so I believe their information have a little more merit than the rest. --

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If the pace from the last 24 hours keeps up, we'll have the current goal done tomorrow - according to the history, we've managed to finish

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I was going to suggest this myself; we're probably going to make the goal easily until the end of the month, so I see no trouble with it.

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There are 391 species of Pokémon, and 220 stubs. That means that 43.7% of all Pokémon have full articles, and we have 56.3% left to do.

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What exactly is it that you don't like? If it's the ommission of stats then that can just be added. By the Way, I've added it also to

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Right now, the individual game articles are a mess. Most of them even have {{cleanup}} tags on them. Might be worth working on those

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I'll still destubbify an article now and then when I can. But I'm afraid I'll have to drop from #2 to just somewhere in the top 10.

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Otherwise, I'd prefer lists of Gym Leaders by region, since they look good as a group, rather than a series of five-line articles.

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21:03, 13 August 2005 (UTC) Also, Alfameta, the WikiPortal isn't necessarily to do with improvement of articles but navigation. --

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IV (Individual Value) is determined upon capture, and EV (Effort Value or Stat Exp.) is gained by battling or through vitamins. --

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Base stats could also be explained with links - it just isn't at the current moment. Therefore, your argument seems flawed to me.

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Too often, I see lists of TM/HM compatability and egg groups. How on earth is a lay reader supposed to know what those are? --

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Would anyone be interested in a Pokémon-specific cleanup tag, possibly with an attendant category? I whipped up a draft at

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Your point? We'd still have duplication in that we list height, weight, type and species. That stuff is also at Wikibooks.

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I'm not sure if you understand what I did, and what I'm doing. Before getting up in arms about deleting info, please read

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I added to the list what I thought needed an expansion, so I will expand all the articles I added. Is that fair enough? --

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He's just merged them into one big article, disregarding pokemon info with no discussion or consensus. I've reverted. --

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It is considered fair use to quote one or two sentences from a book. I am of the opinion that the same applies here. --

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Ack! I've reverted, as {{poke-cleanup}} is on a variey of articles, not all of them about individual Pokémon species.

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Thank you for putting so much work into my old Poképrosal comment -- this is what this kind of thing is all about!

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To reach the final goal, we need to expand 220 stubs in 109 days. That comes to an average of 2.02 stubs per day.

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To reach the current goal, we need to expand 70 stubs in 16 days. That comes to an average of 4.38 stubs per day.

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announcement to the "Leaves of absence" and remove her requesting two more stubs from her "Applications" section.

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In the meantime, note that I've invited the non-fled users from the Pokédex roll call to come and contribute to

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Congratulations on your new post! Good luck with your new tasks and thanks for giving inspiration for the PAC.

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So, that's where we are. If anybody has any objections, feel free to voice them. And great job this month!

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After cleaning up stubs on the individual pokémon, why not move on to other stubs related to the Pokéverses?

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The introductions are often woefully incomprehensible to a reader who isn't already familiar with Pokémon.

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Hey, I'm not fond of IPA either (probably because I don't know how to read it), but it *is* more accurate.

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Before setting off alarm bells about "deleting info" and "destroying work," why not ask me what I'm doing?

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One of our valued members has informed us that several Pokemon gym leaders have recently been listed for

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has been changed to be a test of Pidgeot's pecentile rank stat box, and I'm in the process of rewriting

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Speaking of infoboxes, I tried my hand at redesigning the Pokémon infobox; a test infobox can be seen

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In the meantime, while people dither about whether a list is appropriate or not, I haven't rereverted

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Oh man...*sigh*...but still, it's true we should do the best job possible. I'll try as hard as I can.

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We have a Pokeman section stub template? What's it called? I know a ton of articles in need of it. -

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an indiscriminate collection of information, like lists or repositories of loosely associated topics

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Any other suggestions? Any ideas for a section that crosslinks to characters/games/anime/manga? -

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Anyone notice any other standing issues? Feel free to add your own thoughts to the list above. -

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trainers don't fall asleep in a battle - they're paying attention to the battle, not the song. --

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You could probably do away with that line entirely. I mean, how often will someone actually

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It looks good in preview, so I'll change it accordingly. Come to think of it, I'll also copy

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had one single editor and a list of GameFAQs-style info, and I turned it into a redirect to

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I've just finished going over all the articles. All the unexpanded ones are listed below. --

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Until then, unlinked two-sentence stubs are exceedingly unlikely to be of use to anyone. -

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in expanding the worthy articles and merging, transwiking, or, yes, deleting the cruft. -

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I'm merging them in order to give context and because I feel they're minor characters per

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links for the characters who have enough personality and backstory to justify an article.

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My question: Is information from cards in the Pokémon TCG video game considered canon?

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And with Cascoon, we've done it! I agree, let's have the complete 65 for the next goal.

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Aren't the verbatim transcripts of the Pokédex entries copyvios, in addition to being

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Couldn't agree more. Actually, I'd have done it myself, had we not finished today. --

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Personally, I don't have a particular problem with the list as it currently stands.

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Right, I went ahead and did it! I have now created the Pokémon Wikiportal. Find it

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That wouldn't be very difficult. So do we want to go ahead with a template then? --

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Sound recordings seem like a pretty good idea, definitely something to consider. --

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So, you're merging characters into lists to encourage them to be moved out again?

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Likewise, quote lists (which I've seen in a couple articles) belong on Wikiquote.

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We should make a "What to do if..." page and link the template there probably. --

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Remove egg groups, TM/HM compatability, other things considered too technical.

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It does leave us with a dilemma about what to do with August's goal, though.

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Trivia/Pokédex lists need to be incorporated into the body of the article.

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PAC's current goal is to finish 50 stubs a month. To be more specific:

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I quite like it. It's much easier to get an overview of the applicants.

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Also, we could probably get a bot to clean out all the color tags...

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of readers who are already familiar with the basics of the subject. -

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Alright... Should we start making a list of articles to destubbify?

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proper WikiProject. Is there any significant objection to doing this?

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as a list of one- or two-paragraph summaries of the characters, with

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What will we do about the rest of August when we've done 5 more? --

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The reason I was considering cutting the stats is because they're

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I actually like the idea of a portal, BUT keep in mind that both

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They are used for calculating the actual stats. The formulae are

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cards will always have 120 HP, since its HP base stat is so high.

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Good point, and I agree totally with the added section. Thanks,

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Base stats are used (to some extent) on the cards. For example,

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If someone could do the pronounciations in IPA, that'd be great.

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Have August (and the last 3 days of July) count toward September

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articles on the list in just a single day! Great job, people! --

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I would also not want to take out the before-after links. You

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Hiya folks! I've created a preliminary FAQ for this group at

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50 articles done in about a week. You guys are amazing. :) --

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BTW, I'd be happy to start one up if that's what we want. --

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earlier today. Personally I think the whole deal belongs on

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I was forgetting something. I added the switchover to the

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Uhmm... You're aware some of these aren't stubs, right?

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Well, how about it? Who wants to make this the new Wiki-

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Just updated it. Change it if you dislike the words. --

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Moved some bloat, but didn't want to stifle discussion

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seem to be pretty much abandoned/inactive at present.

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Our goal could be stated as (a hypothetical example):

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I have noticed that no one has created an article on

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IMPORTANT NOTICE! POKEMON ARTICLES UP FOR DELETION!

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