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1531:). The fact that I may be one of the very few people in the entire world who knows this magazine exist(ed) and that it can still be digitally accessed doesn't make it a bad source (discussion at WT:BOARDGAME concluded it is reliable); of course I also link to IA in the footnotes but if, let's say, the digital archive was not there but I was used printed copies from my collection or library, it still would be an acceptable source.
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Apocalypse Genre, her influence has been cited by top gaming journalism websites and game designers across the world, she's been asked to write in publications and queerness in TRPGs and also all of this is already in the article. Is she currently top importance? No. But low importance? Absolutely not.
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It's not the same at all. It's equivalent to going to a library and checking out a book that is available nowhere on the internet. You can access it, but other readers would not be able to access it unless they also went to the library or found a copy to purchase. We can definitely cite a source like
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I assume they are accessible, just with a lot of effort for those who don't already have them (i.e few dozen or hundreds of subscribers and customers, none of whom seems to be active here...). Some issues may be print and digital, some digital only, maybe some are just print, but I don't think they
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It reads more like a promotional review than an article, honestly. Also, with just one source it's hard to evaluate if the game has wider significance. There's also what feels to me like some POV language scattered through it. Just one example: "harmful stereotypes" used in relation to
Dungeons and
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In my unending quest to find reviews for existing articles on games, I have found quite a few reviews for games that do not currently have articles (either never started as far as I can tell, or deleted or redirected at some point). Rather than simply let those pass away into nothingness, I’ve been
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are a much harder time to find sources for; game websites like we have now were still just developing into a thing, and the old reliable sources – games magazines, that is – were dying out. The second version of
Pyramid from SJG was published online until 2008 and the third version after that did
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You can buy back issues of volume 1 (the ones published in paper) but those are already available for free in their entirety on the site. You can also buy back issues of volume 3 but those contain no reviews that I am aware of. So it's the entirely online volume 2 that we want, and if that is not
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I've never actually tried to find out. :o If that were the case, then I suppose this entire discussion would be fruitless. It's a format that stopped being published more than 15 years ago, so I'd hope SJG would make it available somehow at some point for historical purposes.
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I said all that to say that games made in the past 10 years should theoretically be easier to source than those from the early 2000s, in theory. To test my theory, I went to my games deletion list and picked out some more recently deleted game articles and drafts.
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I would put that in the talk page feedback section I mentioned above so that the admin helping me with this can see it; I don't know how technically feasible that would be, but it's probably no less distracting to readers than templates at the top of an article.
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Handy, but only IF I am editing the article. If I'm simply reading the article, I don't get that notice. Would it be permissible to add that notice in the article following the "Reception" subsection? That way, if I'm reading the article, I'd see the prompt.
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1599:). OF course, if they are gone, well, we cannot use them, but if we can get access to them then we can - and the fact that 99.999% of the readers may not be able to access them is unfortunate but does not prevent us from being able to use them.
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There would definitely be more than two of us interested in that. :) But we're not talking a very large number of editors regardless, so you might not be wrong. Still, couldn't hurt to ask - leave your suggestion and I will second it.
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English Knowledge should have a separate article for every Fate supplement and world? They are quite interesting IMHO, but I am not really sure if, let's say, Romance in the Air in encyclopedic enough?
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Dragons. Harmful according to what source? Changing that to just "stereotypes" or "tropes" would make it more neutral if you can't provide RS for the harmful part.
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OK, I will take a look later today. I'm curious to see what exactly you found but don't have the time at the moment to look.
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