Knowledge talk:Reference desk/Archive 4

2105:

a very silent job; we often just find mistakes and fix them, but this does not stop the same mistakes from being made repeatedly. It would be far more productive to discuss failings of grammar, spelling, punctuation and general style on one easily accessible page. It would be great to have our deliberations on one page, rather than on thousands of unique pages. Furthermore, I find that nearly all the errors that I correct are on pages that no one has ever tagged for copyediting. I should bet that many Wikipedians have qualms over style when they read articles, but do not wish to engage in a wasteful fight with the original article writer. I think that people would be more enthusiastic if they could refer their opinion for general debate. Templates could be added onto pages with a message like ‘some of this article’s grammatical accuracy is disputed’, with a link to the discussion on the grammar desk. The petitioner could explain why they find something wrong, and we could all give our opinions. This zone would not be solely reserved for debates about particular pages, but about grammar questions in general. (I can think of many, such as: why should there be an apostrophe s after numbers?) The discussions could help to formulate a more comprehensive style and grammar FAQ. I think that any centralised system has to be better than the current adhocracy. Sometimes, we have to be vigilantes, but it is more constructive to have consensus.

2224:

pupil at Idiot College, Swindon' is clear, despite being a tad ungrammatical, because not many people on Knowledge can be said to have attended school and then returned to it. 'Al Gore was a former Vice President' or 'John Major was a former prime minister' seem definite past to me, due to context: I cannot think of many Vice Presidents of America who lost the job and then regained it; I can only think of four Prime Ministers who lost the job and regained it since the days of Gladstone and Disræli. Of course, the sentence 'previously, Al Gore was Vice President', or 'Al Gore is a former Vice President' is far clearer to me than using the word former. This could be one of the many things that we could debate and resolve on the grammar desk. I think that it could be not only a useful tool for disambiguation, but also a rather interesting insight into how contributors see the language.

3966:

it's not as great as we all wanted it to be? *If* we do reverse the changes, I think we need to take a very very very good look at how we are archiving and answering questions and try to focus our energies on making that process better. I'll help out with the undoing of the changes - it should take about 24 hours at most, taking into account the amount of time it took to make the new changes, and also taking into account the stuff that we've learned from doing them. If you look at the August archives for example, it's quite apparent that we need more than one Wikipedian to help out during the busier times of the year. Some feedback on these comments would be really really nice... :D Also, list your name if you're willing to be part of the "RD reversal brigades" should the necessity of reversing the changes needs to take place. Thanks! --

2331:

page now looked great. All the questions were easily accessible and you could see where they were from. However, the individual pages now looked horrible, So I hurried and replaced the TOCs by removing __NOTOC__ from them. I went back to all and refreshed. I was planning to watch the beautiful all page shatter. However, to my amazement, it still had only one toc. It was a miracle. The individual pages had vanished. How could it have happened. There was no trace of any change, besides me putting in __NOTOC__ and taking it out. Wait a minute...no trace! Except the history! Da-da--da-dan. While I had been pondering whether to go ahead with my risky experiment as well as how to solve the problem long-term

797:

in VfD. At the top are a bunch of icons you click on to edit the particular subpage where you add a new topic. Now, there might be some contention with regards to ordering these subpages, but we can shuffle them around say, once every month or so, or even have a fun "reference desk vote" like at BJADON where Wikipedians vote on the particular permutation of ordering. But these are entirely secondary considerations. Right now, the priority is getting organized as to how to split the desk up. I'd be willing to actively help with that. When that occurs, please let me know so that I'll be able to help out.

4171:. There used to be a "Grammar Desk" created by another Wikipedian - just before the splitting. During the splitting, I decided to move the grammar desk back as a subpage of the reference desk. For a while, the Grammar desk actually helped reduce the number of questions showing up on the RD. The Grammar desk was then renamed to a "language" desk so that it would cover more topics. That way, it was hoped that the 4 subpages of the RD would have about the same number of questions. At this point, nothing is really set in stone, so if we need to rename it we should start a little discussion here. -- 2346:

extra TOCs on all was because of the __TOC__. Normal pages don't get TOC's transcluded, even if it's there. However, __TOC__ can cause an unlimited number of TOCs to show up, it seems. Unknowingly(I think), by removing __TOC__ for an unrelated reason, he fixed the all page, allowing it to have a perfect TOC. It was even automatic. In a weird way, it's a lesson about how wiki cooperation is more than the sum of the parts. Anyway, congrats if you read that whole ramble. Either way, the all page works now.

2211:

should pick on my British spelling, or how I learnt semi-colons, for example. Instead of being autocratic, I could see such a desk as a forum for maintaining a high level of clarity in Knowledge’s articles; as a way to reduce grammatical confusion. The ‘excellent prose’ to which we aspire has to be prose that transmits information both sparingly and accurately. Many bad pieces of grammar, such as Ground Zero’s example, fly under the radar; at the minute, an error can only be remedied if someone reads the page,

2135:. That would make it easy for people with grammar questions to find a place to post them. I think that this page could serve the function that IINAG is identifying: if there is a dispute over grammar, the disputants can seek the views of others. The Grammar desk FAQ could also point people in the direction of the Grammar project, so that its list of articles with grammatical problems could become more active. It could also have links to outside sources of information like 31: 1035:

will eventually formulate their questions and get a feel for what each subpage's answering style are. I don't think it matters so much whether the question is placed in the "right" category or the "wrong" category. The "other" section will take care of everything. If not, I'll help with the sorting of questions. However, I really doubt this is necessary - Wikipedians seem to be quite bright in general! :) --: -->

3962:

Why don't we try this? Let's keep it split for say, 2 weeks. It's entering day 2 at the moment. If the split reference desk really doesn't work out the way we want, we'll undo the changes, and keep with the nice old single-page version as we had before. As much as I was for splitting the desk, I'm somewhat disappointed that the reception for the changes has not been as enthusiastic as I was hoping for.

2108:(By the way, as for the question about the adjective, I do not particularly see why split infinitives are such a crime. I think that language should be both as clear and as precise as possible; unlike the use of commas, I feel that unnaturally convoluting a sentence to ensure that there is no split infinitive does not enhance a sentence’s clarity. However, that is just my opinion.) 2326:

with the headers for the page at the same depth as the questions. However, there being four was a problem, and one that I didn't know how to solve. The way I figured, the individual pages' TOCs needed to be on the actual pages, but couldn't be on the all page. That was impossible, unless...well, let's do an experiment(look at the history to see it) what if I put __NOTOC__(see

1101:

humanities; 31 for science; and 6 for other (and 11 that I didn't classify, since I was going only by titles in the contents section and my recollection of the associated questions). I also noted that about 10 of these questions were for identification of a photo, book title/author, logo, etc; and 8 or so were asking for contact details for a person or organisation.

379: 2194:, for want of anywhere else to go, to get other editors to help resolve the disagreement. That worked, and convinced me that a specialized desk would be a useful tool for resolving grammatical disputes, and would contribute to improving the writing on Knowledge by giving people an obvious place to go to ask questions. 921: 365: 928: 386: 846:

take the topics that you've suggested - they seem okay to me, but I would feel more comfortable about them if we got another opinion on this. I think it would be good to still have the option of viewing all the subpages on one "master" page though, since this is something which makes the RD really interesting. --

372: 3961:

I'm reluctant to say this, but I think it will be for the better of the reference desk moving forward. I have noticed that the enthusiasm and rate of question asking and answering has diminished somewhat (even after the first day), and this does not seem to be the result that everyone was hoping for.

3957:

From my perspective, and judging from the feedback I've received so far, it seems that the result of splitting the desk has had more of a lukewarm to negative impact rather than the intended positive one. We have to admit - it was a pretty brave move on the part of some Wikipedians to take the plunge

3646:

We could copy the question (and any accumulated responses) to the appropriate desk and leave a note under the original question with a pointer to where it's been copied. In other words, just the same as what usually happens when someone posts on the wrong talk page and the discussion is continued at

2330:

for background) on the individual pages? Could I still force a TOC on the main page with __TOC__? I checked, and while I was there changed the == in the page headers to =, so they would be above the questions. The answer to whether I could still force a TOC turned out to be yes, and the nested all

2122:

as Graham noted. I think that part of the problem is that no-one knows that it's there. Before posting my original proposal, I tried twice to find a page that would do what I was proposing. In neither extensive search did I find that project. In my proposal, a link to the Grammar desk would appear on

2104:

Ground Zero and Graham: firstly, excuse me if this makes little sense: I have just arisen. Secondly, I agree totally with what you both propose. I think that it is rather detrimental to Knowledge that there is not much in the way of grammar discussion. As you both know, fixing spelling and grammar is

796:

I think for starters, we would want to keep the number of subpages to a minimum. 3 maximum. What we could do, is label these as "miscellaneous", "humanities" and "science" or something, and perhaps make subpages which are sort of placed into the main page very much like the organizational scheme used

4251:

is protected to discourage direct vandalism to the page and to preserve the integrity of the template layouts. The template itself is not protected to allow Wikipedians who know what they are doing to make any changes necessary. Generally speaking, I think the idea of a Wiki is that pages should not

2595:

Look at the source of the 'Browse all categories...' page, it simply includes the other four pages as templates. If anyone edit the source to add a question the will most likely type it below the templates and it can only be seen on the 'Browse all categories...' page. You can only force them to use

2569:

Hmm...is this what we really want? If this is the case, we'd implicitly have 5 categories instead of 4. I'm not sure this sounds like a good idea. We have to think this through. Maybe explain this to me further? Is the idea that these questions in the "all" category will be sorted? Is there a way to

2325:

It's done now. I'll tell you a (riveting?) story to explain. First of all, no offense, but if you'd looked a little closer before that note you would have noticed that there were four TOCs on that page, but all were actually correct for the page as the whole. Of course, that was difficult to tell

1309:

I agree. I think it will be much better to group all these related pages together. I know there hasn't been much discussion about moving the grammar desk under the RD, but I'll take the plunge and do the move today. I think Ground Zero would understand - I'll leave a message for him/her. If the move

1119:

that the two History and Humanities groups be changed to Social Sciences (history, philosophy, religion, cultures etc) and Arts (fiction, art, music etc); OR that they be merged into one group called Arts and Humanities (just because there doesn't seem anything particularly special about history and

1018:

could fit into these three categories). But there's some topics (economy, education, food and drink, geography, geology, politics, sport...), that I didn't know where to put them. Should politics go to "humanities"? geography to "science"?... Or should they be left to the "Other" page, or create new

393: 2345:

with this note: "TOCleft is a bad idea, since the section titles can be arbitrarily long" In fact, I had just went to TOCleft from the section page purely out of curiousity. I noticed that they had __TOC__ as part of them. It turns out that the only reason the individual departments were causing

2149:

I agree with IINAG that grammar rules should be flexible. We should only correct things that are obviously wrong (like "that dogs IS hungry"). Subtle rules, which most people ignore, should not be enforced here, either. To do so would discourage contributors who provide input which is useful, if

1968:

for each question. Each "desk" would only have two lines. Those pages could then be protected. On Knowledge:Reference desk/all, we could transclude all the questions sections. There can still be an easy way to post, even if we keep the existing header. That easy posting method would allow us to

1285:

Yes, I've seen that desk. It wouldn't be a bad thing to have a math desk, but I don't think this is the time to do this at the moment. Knowledge is not designed to be a comprehensive answering service - the splitting was suggested primarily to control the number of questions and rate of archival of

1162:

These subjects (history, geography, politics, economy, law, arts, literature, fiction, linguistics, music, religion, philosophy, education, media, sports, fashion, food and drink, society and culture) are the hardest to separate because they are closely related. We should either agree on a certain

725:

Granted, the reference desk isn't a free homework answering service, and if the system is being significantly abused by a particular source, I would advocate reverting such questions. But so far, I haven't really seen this happening, so it doesn't seem to be a concern at the moment - at least, this

680:

I did have a problem where I went to edit a section quite some time after loading the page, and it took me to edit a completely different section. I assume that the page had been updated in the meantime so that "Edit section # X" didn't refer to the right section anymore. What I did was to reload

3931:

contrast, the alternative is to distribute the four friends in separate booths at the same bar and move from booth to booth and conversing at will. Much quieter and more efficient but less energy it seems. I'm sure that there some barroom analogy to the /All page but I think I'll leave it at that.

2223:

a former district,' I think that it X was abolished, or in a state of abeyance, and then someone brought it back. In fact, the preterite and the word 'former' usually suggest to me a thing that was disposed of, until being reinstated. There are some exceptions to this. 'Persona Xsapat was a former

2210:

Hello, everyone. I am glad to see unanimous support so far for these proposals. As you have pointed out, we would not strive to form a sort of homogenous style, discarding all regional differences; this would be rather counterproductive. I know that it would make me slightly consternated if people

2168:

want to be flexible about grammar rules is that we have contributors from different countries. It is well known, for example, that standard U.S. usage differs significantly from standard U.K. usage. So there is no standard of "correct grammar" that applies worldwide. Another reason is that grammar

2163:

Well, our grammar standards should be flexible, perhaps, but not that much and not for that reason. To encourage contributors, we should say, "FACTUALLY CORRECT, but ungrammatical (or otherwise poorly written) contributions are very welcome. Errors will be fixed. Poor style will be improved." Then

205:

friendly few sentences,a freiendly few sentences on every response makes the page bloat terribly. Maybe just posting a link to the article would reduce page size. And it wouldn't hurt to have something at the top asking visitors to look for an article first, before posting on the reference desk.

204:

Unfortunately, the number of questions being posted is now getting huuuuge. I think it's time to seriously consider splitting the reference desk in categories (for example, maths/computing, people & places, history, science/nature, sport/entertainment, misc). And although it's nice to have a

3965:

Anyway, at least we tried the new changes - and I think that's a really, really good thing. It was fund making the changes too! It's not often that such an extensive change could be made on Knowledge. So, what do you Wikipedians think? Give the new a Reference Desk 2 weeks and undo the changes if

3930:

This is a inept attempt at analogy but here goes. The old way was like my meeting with four mutual friends at a bar, listening and conversing at will and paying more or less attention depending on my interest at the moment. Very noisy perhaps but kind of fun knowing what's going on all around. In

3733:

Archiving every 5 days was not enough to keep up with the number of questions being added to the desk. Look at the August archives for example. Archiving on the 2nd, 8th, 9th, 11th, 13th, 16th, 17th, 20th, 21st, 22nd and still this wasn't enough to keep the question count small! So I respectfully

1403:

Well, clearly I missed this discussion and just arrived at my beloved Help Desk page to find it butchered. I loved arriving and not knowing what sort of questions I might find that I could try to help with, now I'm probably much less inclined to bother. Still, I assume there was concensus, so...

1077:

Hmmm...for the "other" category (I actually prefer "miscellaneous", but the word is too long and I think "other" is nice and short anyway) how about just a bunch of black question marks? One big one in the middle, with maybe 2 in the background, somewhat smaller. Does that sound good? Maybe use a

1041:

Generally speaking, the questions come in such a variety that I'm not even sure whether making more subpages would be beneficial. At least with the ones you have there, someone could reasonably pick the "right" category to place it in. I think this number of subpages is just about right. We don't

1034:

Wow, you're doing such a great job with this! I think these categories are great! It might be better to merge "history" with "humanties" though. We'll let the user decide where to place the questions. I think over time the individual subdesks will sort of develop their own "subculture", and users

845:

worth giving it a try. So, alright I guess it sounds great! Are you able to find all the icons for those pages links you proposed? How can I help out with them? Once you have those, we can prepare the subpages and linking so that the transition to this subpaging method for the RD is smooth. We'll

808:

This mentioning of subpages -- does it mean that we are not going to use subsections as a substitute for subpages? I'm asking just to clarify this, as it wasn't really stated explicitly up at the top. But I'm in favour of subpages, since using subsections defeats the purpose of the inclination of

719:

I'm not aware of such a policy. If there were such a policy, the problem that might arise is how to define what constitutes "homework". There are far too many different perspectives on this. Personally, I don't think there is anything intrinsically wrong to help out with these questions. In cases

2095:, where we highlight the most frequent spelling and grammar problems on wikipedia pages, and talk about why they are incorrect. For example, the commas, its/it's and which/that, and common spelling mistakes like noticable/noticeable and inital/initial (I've spent the last few days fixing those!) 785:

I've been doing the archiving for the past few months, and would be quite weary of any complicated schemes for archival. I suspect this would be true for other Wikipedians who might volunteer to help with archival. Any archiving scheme must be simple to do. However, I'm in favor of splitting the

3718:

You just made it 5 times harder to browse the questions and I stopped answering. I strongly prefer scanning a single place and like to read the variety of questions. Put each question into a topic archive only after 5 days of no further answers or discussion and you will (1) achieve the goal of

2072:

What do people think about creating a third desk called "Knowledge:Grammar desk". I think that there are enough grammar queens on Knowledge to monitor and answer questions. I think that such a desk would be useful, and would help improve the quality of writing here. I propose that a FAQ page be

1134:

I'm also wary of using academic jargon like "humanities" -- this would fit in an academic library context, but this is closer to a public library context, if anything, and I don't think "humanities" is the sort of way users would think of the category. I don't think "social sciences" really is

223:

I think it would be nice to implement something like VfD, where each question has its own page, and this page would just be a list of links to those pages. It would make it possible to watchlist threads we're interested in (and therefore notice new posts in ones that are getting older and would

3019:

Just go through all the possible pages of the RD, and see if the "edit this page" link works properly for all of them. I think I fixed everything, could you double check to make sure when you get a chance? I made a whole bunch of changes, and I want to make sure that I haven't created some new

1194:

Can we remove all the wording under the categories except for the "other" category? This will be better I think to handle the stochastic nature of the questions coming in. The concerns with the categorization stem from how we are implicitly attempting to define what one question type is versus

1100:

This is just quibbling about the categories: I thought it might be useful to try and apply the proposed categories to the questions on the reference desk page at present. Doing this very rapidly and therefore roughly I got 15 for current events (including pop culture); 10 for history; 32 for

3358:

Hmm...looks like there are still a few loose ends to tie up, but most of the major changes seem to have been completed okay. I hope we've left enough notes here so other Wikipedians coming by tomorrow will have some idea of how they can help out if they want to. I'm going to sleep. Goodnight!

1430:

Well it was a little quick, less than a weeks discussion and not that many people for it. The last time we had this conversation, about a month ago, it was a pretty strong consensus of no simply for the fact that it will be harder to manage. But if the people that made the move are willing to

720:

like this, I usually encourage the user to rephrase the question so that they might learn something in the process. I've noticed that frequent anonymous users of the Reference Desk learn over time that a particular phrasing of a question will impact significantly on how a question is answered.

622:

That's true. I don't think we should worry so much about users posting on the "incorrect" page. After all, what one Wikipedian might think is A, another might think is B. If we move a question, we could just leave a little note saying that. When we archive, we can just get rid of the note.

2181:

I do a fair bit of copyediting on Canadian politics and history pages, and some elsewhere. I always work to improve the quality of the writing since no-one "owns" the articles. If someone reverts one of my improvements, I don't worry about it unless it is a reversion to something that is

1989:

Hey everyone. Thanks for your feedback on the changes...keep the dialogue going! I'm still editing, but I'm keeping a very close eye on these talk pages. Please feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if something disaterous has come up. I'll try addressing this issue right now.

543:

Maybe we can try this? Let's keep the number of subjects to a small number, say 2 or 3. One might be "miscellaneous" and the others might be "science" and "humanities". Then, we'd have 3 icons at the top of the page, and people could just click on those, and it would direct them to a

2182:

unambiguously wrong. I might fix a split infinitive because I think it is poor style, but I'm not going to spend any time arguing with someone who changes it back. There is so much poor writing here that it is beeter to spend time fixing things on which I won't get arguments.

3529:

Please recognize that English grammar varies widely between English-speaking countries: what is standard grammar in the United Kingdom can be very different from that in the United States, for example. Knowledge does not give preference to any national or regional variant of

3282:

Why would anyone need to do this? If they have to post a question, they can use the post link. If they want to comment, they can edit a section. There's no reason they would need to edit the whole page. If they do, they can do an extra click to the reference desk first.

1155:

Science and technology are two very related categories (questions about physics, biotechnology... could fit in both). So I'm not a fan on splitting the science category. However a question about a software or a computer virus or internet, could be better on a category of its

1446:

I agree, it was a little quick. I would have prefered to see more discussion, but hats off to the Wikipedians that were bold to attempt the changeover!! Still trying to get my bearings, but look at the subpages now...all less than 50 questions, loads faster, much easier to

4944:

the page isn't redirected but blank. Part of this is because I didn't know you could redirect template lookups. As for the bolding, that's obviously just the old feature(which I knew of) that self-links are bolded. I am so stupid; like I said, it was glaringly obvious.

2986:

Put a introduction header on the all page to explain what that page is and why you can't edit it. Also provide a link to the main reference desk(see above) as well as an easy way to post to miscellaneous(hey it beats the help desk as a place to spit out your question)

1969:

make those sub-sub-pages transparent to the user. In fact, it would be easier than it is now, because there is no post link in the existing version as there was before. I'm going to add that link now, in fact. I can adapt it to the new solution when that time comes.

802:

Does this sound good? At this point, we don't need to worry about subpages covering every single topic. The "miscellanous" page will cover everything that doesn't fit in with the others. We just need a small number of subpages to experiment with and see if it works out

1959:

has serious issues. To start with, it's not protected, which will inevitably result in posts there that are noticed by nearly no one. Secondly, the way the structure is now, the header shows up more than once, which is really annoying. To fix this, there could be a

1241:

This looks good too. Let's limit it to 4 categories, any more, and I'm not sure if we can control all the chaos which could ensue. When we've got all the categories, I think we should put these icons at the top, and post a message saying that the RD is undergoing some

1792:

I'm going to propose that we stop refiling questions asked before the departments were created. That's needlessly confusing. Just leave everything where it lies, let it age, and then archive. People will still post new questions to the categories.

552:

equal signs instead of 2. The archiving isn't that bad, but I'm finding that during certain weeks the questions come in at a really fast rate, and I have to archive about once or twice a week to keep the number of active questions to around 100.

2090:

was designed for that purpose, but appears to have sadly gone unused. (That brings up another question: where should the adjective have gone in the previous sentence?) Anyway, I think it would be good to revive that project, and maybe set up a

4879:

doesn't show up on the "all" page despite apparently being transcluded; nor do I understand how the right page is bolded automatically now. I have a feeling I'm missing something glaringly obvious, but help, because, well...I'm missing it.

4062:

Thanks Superm401, but I think things are starting to settle in now that we are approaching day 5...I think I might create a graph of edits. Currently, the RD is supporting about twice the number of active questions compared to last month...

1805:

The refiling is actually more or less done now. I think we should cease with the sorting now. It's really disruptive, and I was trying to minimize the number of changes. The subpages are all of a reasonable size now, so that's a good thing.

1013:

Just need your last comments on the categories. I shrunk the categories to 4 (merged "medecine", "science" and "Technology"; and "Pop culture", "humanities" and "music") to simplify the process of picking a category (eg: a question about

3979:

I think the changes are fine. The desk was too large with too many questions being added every day. A split sooner or later would have had been inevitable. So why wait? I say keep it split, and dont even think about changing it back.

3901:. Yes, it's a bit more difficult to see all the new questions, but at least the entire listing is still there. You can also get to this "all listing page" by clicking on the bottom right hand corner of the reference desk page here at 4080:

I started the discussions about splitting the Reference Desk, then I was on a vacation for 2 days, then I returned to see that all the work has been done. Great work guys! Just one thing, What's the icon for the Miscellaneous page?

2215:

notices the error. A new, consolidated system would establish an accord over what is imprecise and what is just simply doctrinaire. Having had such discussions, we will be able to remedy repeated errors more quickly in the future.

1195:

another. The reality is that there are no clear definitions which exist, regardless of what approach is taken to define them. Inherent vagueness for the categories on the RD isn't ideal, but it won't be counterproductive I think. --

5172:

I suppose we can expand the list somewhat, and even include some links to Wikiprojects. For example the Wikiproject Tree of Life is known for answering questions about insects and identifying photos. Why not give them a link here?

4144:

Is there a difference between language and linguistics? According to the reference desk, linguistics questions are post in the Humanities category, and language questions in the Language category. Doesn't that lead to a confusion?

1849:

If you click post from the main page, you are brought to a page without instructions as to how to post. This results in phantom questions(i.e. only the subject) The post link should be removed, in my view. I would consider other

3062:

I understand, and removed the link in the header. However, the all page is still ugly and something needs to be done. I still think it would be best to implement the plan devised above. It isn't nearly as complex as it seems.

3294:

I have no idea. In this case, it seems that there isn't any good reason to enable this feature - unless it becomes extremely problematic, we'll consider this a "feature" of the new Reference Desk and ignore this idiosyncracy. :)

2252:

My hope in creating the Grammar desk is that it can help, at least in a small way, to improve the quality of writing on Knowledge by creating a place for editors to ask questions and get answers about English grammar and usage.

1431:

step/stay in and handle the administration and they don't feel it's too much then I'm all for it. It can't hurt much to try and it can always be undone. And by the way I think the icons and template are pretty slick looking. -

3624:

Well, I have to go now...I'll come back in a bit. I left a message for Michael Snow. Maybe some mention of the changes made to the RD will be mentioned in the Signpost, so that Wikipedians know that the RD is back in order.

224:

otherwise be up at the top of the page among stale threads), and to skip threads we're not interested in. My two cents. But yeah, I get the "problem" page often on this page too; it's annoying. Something should be done.

3053:, those links fail. So, I had to add those links to reference the absolute address of the subpages so that it works. It's not very elegant, but it's be best I can do, unless you have another suggestion we can try out? -- 1320:

I am a nosy newbie who is extremely impressed with what you doing here & realize this is a work in progress. Perhaps the Grammar desk could use a link back to the start point, like the Humanities and Science have?

4460:

We need to take care to ensure it is still easy to navigate through the desk. To me, that requires prominent links from each of the departments to the main reference desk? Does anyone mind if I put those back in?

3219:

Checked and done. Deleted all the obsolete links, pages and templates. Content was moved, so page history still preserved. Looks okay to me. Still need to check other links, but I can't think of any at the moment.

1479:

Is there a way to link the icons to the appropriate pages? I could definitely see a case where a person clicks on an icon and gets confused as to why they are looking at a page of the picture they clicked on.

1345:

Also, on the main page, there is a link to aske a question in that category. Perhaps the others could have a similar link, placed directly above and also at the end of, the instructions for using this page.

3734:

disagree with the first point - archival every 5 days is not enough. It was adequate maybe 2 months ago, but ah! Those beautiful days are long gone! Archiving has definitely become more difficult of late. --

4184:

The split was pragmatic, trying to divide the questions 25%/25%/25%/25%, instead of ideologicaly correct categories. I moved linguistics to language, as I think it is more likely to be answered there. --

2185:

And this is where my proposal comes from. An editor created hundreds of articles about Canadian electoral districts using the phrase "xxxx was a former electoral district". I fixed that mistake (xxxx is

1413:

It's not so bad I think. There's a "see all" link where you can still do the same thing as before. What changes this time around is that when you click the edit button it will edit a subpage instead. --

3958:

and be bold with these changes! So, here is credit to those people - duly noted and very well deserved. (I will write more on this later, so stay tuned on your talk pages...you know who you are! :-) )

4260:

either, and I'll remove the protection if that is what everyone would like. It took about a day to make the changes, and in some ways, we're still experimenting to see what is best for the new RD. --

2896:

Hi everyone! Thanks to all your efforts, were finally getting somewhere with these changes! There are just a few things left to do I think, and I thought it would be best to keep track of them here.

2190:

a former district), amongst others, in dozens of articles before the original writer intervene to tell me that there was nothing wrong with the way s/he had written it originally. I ended up at the

826:

for the first archive page of the science section. And don't forget that by splitting the reference desk, questions will remain longer, t it will take more time before you need to archive the page.

3511:. I wonder what is the best way to incorporate this into the reference desk? Presumably a link in the languages subpage, but how to add it so that it's prominent enough that people will see it? -- 3160:

Yeah, refreshing your browser doesn't cut it. Purging the cache actually tells the servers to re-parse the wikicode from the ground up. It goes beyond your browser downloading the page again.

1123:

if keeping two groups for the history/humanities/arts area, then I'd suggest splitting Science into Science (pure sciences, including maths) and Technology (including computers and the internet)

2164:

when someone writes something that isn't perfect, we should make it better. I say let Knowledge strive for stunningly excellent prose, which generally requires good grammar. The main reason we

4416:

Day three report: When the WP servers are slow (What!) it takes a while to go across categories. That's more of an annoyance than a serious problem. I'm adjusting to the new format just fine.

1460:

I'll volunteer to look after these pages for the next little bit (say a month or so at least) to make sure everything works well. So, there's at least one Wikipedian babysitting the RD :-) --

786:

reference desk since it has noticibly become more unmanagable. I haven't seen the question count below 50 in a long long time. In May, I think the question count went up to 300 or something!

570:

I really like the icons :D. If you try this, it should be like the original village pump conglomeration (all the questions are on their categories, and on the main page at the same time). —

2414:

No TOC came up? I currently have 5 (five) TOCs, maybe something related to {{TOCleft}}. Well the solution as suggested above would be to put the actual questions onto another subpage (e.g.

2806:

I've removed the page protection...seems like if it's protected some edits to subpages don't work. See the note from Mgm on my talk page for details...I'm putting this on my watchlist. --

5214:

Please add archive links in the 4 sub-category pages. I went to Humanities and found that questions had been moved. I had to come back to main reference page to go to the archives page.

2596:

one of the categories by protecting that page. If someone adds a question by editing another question and typing it below, it will end up on the same page as the question the edited. --

4634:

thing you can do from there. Going sideways should be prominent. Going up to the RD main page should be an option but of equal or less prominence than going over to another category.

1310:

is not good, we can just move it back. But admittingly, I'm anxious to make this transition as quick as possible to minimize the disruption to the RD and question posting/answering. --

4031:

I like the changes, and intend to spend a bit more time at the Refdesk now since it'll be easier to find something I know about. I honestly can't see a good reason to change it back.

3308:

Add headings to explain the idosyncracies of each subpage. That is, the miscellaneous page is for X, Y, Z, the language page is for A, B, C, etc...some explantory notes and stuff. --

2256:

Please note that Knowledge is an international encyclopedia/encyclopaedia that does not give preference to any national or regional variant of the English language. In other words,

2249:. I got answers to my question at the RD (which I have posted to get the ball rolling on GD), but that desk is quickly being overloaded with questions about a wide range of topics. 4089:

Right now, it's the "medical" icon that's being used. If you have a better idea, go right ahead and change it. I suspect that we just needed a placeholder during the changeover. --

147:

There are now 138 questions in the Reference desk, taking 221 kilobytes. This is a humongous lot. Shouldn't the desk be archived again, to make it faster to load and scan through?

5034:

I don't think sub-page links are needed either. As far as I can tell, neither does hydnjo. However, I think the citing link should stay on the main page even if most ignore it.

2899:

I'm trying to figure out all the new subpages that have been created so I can put them all on my watchlist and monitor them. Could you help me out with this by listing them out?

4646:

I told you. I agree with you now. It's just that I thought it might take too much space to have a link to every other department. I no longer believe that to be the case.

2245:

The aim of this page is to fill a gap in Knowledge's "Ask a question" pages. I had tried several times to find a suitable place to ask a grammar question, and found only the

117:

Hmm...apparently the page I tried to make yesterday didn't save properly, so I'm still trying to go back into the history of the current talk page and archive it properly. --

182:. I guess the page is now far too long to be edited without problems. Someone should either archive the discussion or tell me the archival guidelines so I can do it myself. 3086:

Still something weird going on with these links...I'm sort of stumped. It seems like the links in that header page only show up on the first subpage. Here, check this out:

4892: 4847:

nice! Back and forth and so on without restriction! Freedom! Thanks all. I only wish that I knew enough to actually implement a solution instead of just talking about it.

130:

Okay, I got a better idea and moved the page to the correct location. Now, I'm going to put in a request to delete the incorrect redirect, and that should be fixed up. --

2678:

Sure, but want to wait a little bit before I do this; you might need to edit that page to get rid of this TOC problem. I still haven't figured out how to do that yet. --

1205:

I think the number of categories should be limited to four, otherwise it will become difficult to for the people that want to answer questions, to browse them. I suggest

4154:

I agree. That division is odd. To me, language/linguistics are both under Humanities. That's how they're classified in univeristy (as the School or Faculty of Arts). --

2637:

Done. Note that you can still go to the "all" page to edit the individual questions. You just can't edit the entire page at once, and that's probably a good thing. --

2228: 2112: 1113:

that pop culture be explicitly included in Current Events (to me it fits there better, but the wording at present implies that it should strictly go under Humanities)

822:

I would prefer to create more sections than the 3 you mentioned (see the proposed scheme above). Anyway, I don't think archiving will get harder. I suggest this way:

4499:

Reference desk isn't sufficient. Haven't we all realized how inattentive the average reference desk reader is by now? I don't think side-ways linking is necessary.

3201:

What exactly are you thinking of? The only redirect I see in the Reference desk(at first glance) is history, which redirects to humanities. I think that can stay.

1379:

But what I really came here to ask was if may/should move my question (which I sent just before the split) to one of the subcategories or keep it in miscellaneous. -

3705:

Yes, but it's really difficult to see all the most recent questions - I used to love coming to the bottom of the page to find something interesting and surprising.

519:

This looks cool, but I worry it would make the page unwieldy, and much more difficult to use, without any more real utility - is it really unmanageable right now?

4937: 4876: 1965: 107:

An "Archive 3" has been made where I've placed all the old discussions there. Feel free to restore the active threads if they have been mistakenly place there. --

2928:

Thanks for letting me know. I'll still hang around for a bit and do some cleanup. See you tomorrow! You did a tremendous amount of work today related to this. --

3525:

There is an old header for the grammar desk here at ]. No pages link to it, but there are some important points in it which should be ported over, for example:

2534:

Yes, exactly. But if they add a question, where will it end up? Certainly in one of the subpages? If so, I think it should be in the "miscellaneous" section. --

1855:

Removed the post links for now. We might abuse this by first showing the user the "How to ask a question page" before actually letting them post a question. --

237:

You get a little problem with that so far as complexity for inexperienced editors. I think splitting subjects would be a better idea to keep it accessible. --

3606:

There are some buttons at the very top of the page. What other buttons do you think would be good to add? One to edit the entire page of the subcategories? --

2364: 1590:

As I write, there is a question on the project page. Maybe the page should be locked so that people don't accidentally post the question to the wrong page? -

4571:

reason that I go back up to RD main page is to drop down to another category. So now I've had to go through the servers twice, up and then down again, now

1036:

What we'll do is put a friendly message at the top reminding users of the RD that it's okay to put questions in "other" if they are unsure where to put it.

791:

Could we start a brief discusssion on how the archival might be done? Suppose we split the desk into 3 pages. Would each of these have their own archives?

1026:

icon could do just fine for the "news" category, but it should be on the same design as the other icons. For the "Other" icon, I'm open for suggestions.

3568: 614:

Why do you think that choosing the wright category is so difficult for users? It's cooler, and in case of difficulty we put it in the Other section.

4630:

position. Why would anyone want to go back up to the RD main? Unless I'm missing something here, it's to go back down to another category, it's the

94: 3634:

What happens when a question is asked in the wrong category? I just want us to think about it before it happens so we'll all know how to respond.

2788:

You'd be surprised at how little I actually did to solve that problem. I can't take credit for it, but if you appreciate the results, please see

86: 81: 69: 64: 59: 3839:

but not yet ready for the tombs Q&A's. The RD page woud be common (include all cats) and active (by some definition). Is that how others see

2970:

I'm afraid that despite looking at the wikisource, I don't understand how this was accomplished. I was thinking of suggesting <noinclude: -->

4936:

Ah, I looked at the source before, but couldn't "figure it out". I get it all now. Very shady. :) You redirect the normal pages' templates to

737:

We don't need a policy for everything. If someone wants to waste their time giving out answers to homework questions, that's their business. ¦

3508: 3498: 3418: 3108: 2154: 2142: 1767:

By the way, why are talk pages referred to as "Talk" pages, but the tab on the article says "Discussion"? Why aren't these terms consistent?

1866:

There is no easy way to go back to the main reference desk from the subpages. Obviously, there is the automatically generated and miniscule "

3688:

It's unfortunate that it had to be broken up, but at least now I don't get an edit conflict every single time I try to answer a question. —

698:

Is there any policy on what to do about obvious homework questions asking "just solve this", or is it up to individual users' discretion? ~~

1116:

that "jurisprudence" (under Humanities) be changed to "law" (or eliminated; like medicine that's very tricky to answer at a reference desk);

4791:

Because I always forget to tick the box, so I changed my preferences to have it ticked automatically and now always forget to untick it. --

1159:

Pop culture is really a wide subject that includes music which is on arts and humanities. So Pop culture shouldn't go to the news category.

2902:

Also, I'm trying to remove old redirect links...I think I'm forgetting some, so some help with this would be great too. Any volunteers? --

3377: 3090: 891: 318: 3813:

makes the most sense in my opinion. Another benefit of the common-active RD is that it would eliminate the "wrong category" problem.

2835:

I don't know how long this page has been up, but it does look really terrible. Would I be right in thinking the layout is unfinished ?

1907:

I tried to cheat by adding the category to the template, but that doesn't work of couse. An admin will need to addd it to this page. --

1286:

them. I'd prefer to see the grammar desk under the RD as well, but I'll address that later. We have those icons to pick up there! :) --

2548:

No it will only appear on the all page, may be that needs protection too once it works, since it will only contain a few templates. --

2477:

Do you mean protecting the talk pages? I don't think that would be necessary, as it is impossible to edit (remove the redirect) those

2239: 3373:

Since we have 4 subpages now, probably best to put all these pages in your watchlist (or just put the ones you are interested in it)

4811: 3388: 3102: 1296:

Right now I think it would be a better idea to make the Grammar Desk a subpage of the Reference Desk for the sake of consistency. —

2957:

I also still think that we need to somehow deal with the multiple headers on the all page. I proposed one solution for that above.

1961: 600:

Indeed - I've no problem as long as there is a "view all"...but chronologically would be better than one category after another. ¦

506:

I like this idea too. Can we also make a page which has the "Best of the Reference Desk" to showcase some of our finest answers? --

4353:- Here's what I learned today: you know you've got a pretty trustworthy set of WikiFriends when they start referring to you with 3403: 3336: 3096: 2367:

had something to do with this too? :-) - Anyway, it's really great to see this work out. Great sleuthing and problem solving!! --

896: 886: 333: 313: 2415: 2169:

standards evolve. For example, getting back to IINAG's example, hardly anyone has a problem with split infinitives any more. —

973:

To ask questions about arts, literature, linguistics, religion, philosophy, jurisprudence, music, fashion, culture and society

823: 4518:

Well why in the world would someone want to go back to the RD main page at all unless they wanted to go to another category?

3757: 3647:

the more appropriate place. That way both the original poster and those well-equipped to answer the question can find it. —

1172:. It was separated into categories. I don't think it could be applicable to the reference desk, but you could take some ideas. 4752:

good at this! Your idea is perfect. It's subtle, but extremely useful, and it doesn't clutter up anything. Excellent work! --

3719:

making the ref desk much shorter and (2) still make the answered questions retrievable by topic. My opinion only of course.

3004:

Agreed, still working on this. Trying to fix up the "edit this page" link. Need to fix the links related to each subsection.

881: 709: 303: 269: 2945:

There is still no back-link from the sub-pages to the main reference desk. I think there should be, for ease of navigation.

3873:

That sounds ok, and better than the current one, but frankly, I don't see the advantage of either one over the old system.

3115:

Hmm...guess more detective work needed. Any guesses as to how to fix it? I'll try out a few things and see what happens. --

2119: 2087: 308: 47: 17: 3029:

Why did you move the ask a question link out of the header. Now it's redundant and harder to edit. I'm moving it back.

2521:

I don't think I understand you? I think the all page will be use by people that are interested in answering questions. --

338: 4941: 3890: 3478: 3438: 3050: 2846: 2297: 2242:(see above) for a suitable period of time. I received no negative responses to my proposal, and several positive ones. 2225: 2109: 1956: 1567: 5021:, and if someone want to know how to cite wikipedia, they are going to ask anyway, and we can just give them a link to 4587:

Fair enough, but the size of the navigation section should be minimized. It should certainly be smaller than the main

2961:

Fixed. We need to have a purge server cache link on the all page, or move the RD subpages in template space, though. --

328: 3151:

I pressed Ctrl-R in my browser, but it didn't seem to fix it. Now everything seems to look okay...Still checking... --

1275: 213: 2494:

Good point. We'll leave them free and liberated then! (I don't want to protect them anyway, but was worth asking). --

2665: 1932: 1175:

I'm glad that someone else is interested in this project, but please don't do any change before we reach a consenus.

901: 343: 323: 5070: 5022: 4999: 4983: 2124: 532:

Would it be possible to still have a version that has all the categories' questions on one page as they are now? ¦

38: 1817:

Now, I'm going to work on rewording the categories, and changing the headers so that they are more instructive. --

1646:

It looks like it's protected right now. Let me know if you need something changed in it. I modifed it slightly. --

4681:

I'll cook something up, I was just pondering how it can be both instructive and not invasive at the same time. --

4473:

Do you mean in addition to the link at the top of each category page? Also, could you give some thought to going

3213:

I'm thinking of things dangling from the Grammar desk ] and stuff like that. I haven't checked all of the yet. --

2092: 1755:

I thought we wanted to put the grammar desk under the reference desk? Or are we just leaving it the way it is? --

1617: 1494: 1300: 4273:

Huh? This page is protected to prevent accidental posting of questions here (I wouldn't call that vandalism). --

3040:

No, please don't do that. I took it out so that editing on the "All" page which is protected would also work. --

1389:

Feel free to move it, I'm already moving some of the questions as well, but I could always use a little help. --

978:

To ask questions about mathematics, physics, astronomy, chemistry, biololgy, medicine, electronics and computing

642:

seems totally screwed up? It's a massive page, and I don't have the connection speed to edit the whole page. --

3902: 3761: 2246: 2198: 2191: 2128: 1887: 639: 3548:

Could we get some feedback on the new reference desk pages? I think the pages look good. What do you think? --

1613:

I added a commented out notice for starters. Of course, some will ignore it but let's see how it works out. —

654:

I haven't had problems editing single sections lately, but maybe it has something to do with the page size? --

3984: 1739: 5017:

I think links on the subpage are not necessary. I haven't noted any people asking questions that belong on

3317:

Preemptively add archiving links in the RD so Wikipedians understand the new archiving pattern to be used.

3860: 3693: 3652: 1542: 995: 265: 242: 4430: 4240: 4215: 4146: 4107: 4082: 1183: 1027: 827: 770: 615: 499: 4236: 2277: 2083: 1601: 748:

Yes, that's a good heuristic to remember too, however, maybe answer not quite so sharp next time? :-) --

225: 3855:

That sounds like what he's saying. I think it'll be confusing if we rely on sorting after the fact. —

2467:

Do you think it would be a good idea to protect supages of RD to ensure all the talk is centralized? --

1065:

They come back to the reference desk and see that their question is posed, ready for someone to answer.

769:

your objection on splitting the page, and try to work on the number of categories that we should have.

3764:

project page to let everyone else who may prefer it to use it. This is what happened when I shortened

4896: 4036: 1614: 1491: 1297: 667:

Lately I think Knowledge has been having problems submitting edits PERIOD, not just with sections. ¦

5094: 5039: 5018: 5011: 4950: 4885: 4837: 4711: 4651: 4596: 4504: 4466: 4052: 3329: 3288: 3247: 3206: 3165: 3145: 3134: 3068: 3034: 3013: 2992: 2976: 2797: 2351: 2281: 2132: 1974: 1940: 1924: 1831: 1798: 5231: 5218: 5189: 5177: 5143: 5128:. That's the first place that a new user ckecks us out. Some direction there would be useful. The 5080: 5029: 4993: 4907: 4854: 4827: 4795: 4785: 4756: 4697: 4685: 4676: 4641: 4582: 4546: 4525: 4492: 4447: 4423: 4397: 4329: 4294: 4277: 4264: 4201: 4188: 4175: 4158: 4125: 4093: 4067: 4040: 4020: 4003: 3987: 3970: 3938: 3909: 3877: 3863: 3850: 3830: 3820: 3794: 3781: 3772: 3749: 3738: 3723: 3709: 3696: 3682: 3655: 3641: 3629: 3619: 3610: 3601: 3577: 3552: 3538: 3515: 3485: 3472: 3463: 3450: 3363: 3343: 3312: 3299: 3266: 3257: 3224: 3175: 3155: 3119: 3057: 3044: 3024: 2965: 2951: 2932: 2919: 2906: 2881: 2864: 2839: 2810: 2783: 2758: 2734: 2717: 2702: 2682: 2672: 2641: 2632: 2600: 2574: 2552: 2525: 2515: 2498: 2485: 2471: 2450: 2422: 2401: 2383: 2371: 2320: 2310: 2291: 2205: 2173: 2099: 2077: 2051: 2030: 1994: 1984: 1950: 1911: 1902: 1879: 1859: 1821: 1810: 1781: 1771: 1759: 1746: 1732: 1708: 1692: 1682: 1650: 1629: 1620: 1608: 1594: 1577: 1552: 1534: 1506: 1497: 1484: 1464: 1417: 1393: 1383: 1366: 1314: 1303: 1290: 1279: 1246: 1232: 1199: 1139: 1082: 1042:

want to overwhelm the potentially new Wikipedian who might come here for questions with confusion.

850: 813: 752: 730: 713: 685: 658: 627: 583: 557: 523: 510: 253:

The issue about splitting the reference desk has been brought a least two times (see the sections

245: 228: 217: 199: 164: 134: 121: 111: 3981: 2273: 2238:

I have created this page after consulting with other editors and after posting a proposal at the

1738:

I think it would be best to have only one, except for Language & Grammer, which redirects to

1328: 705: 4895:

you should probably understand. The bolding is done by the MediaWiki software, as it also it on

1845:

These are all fairly minor yet important issues that should be dealt with as soon as possible.

3874: 3856: 3827: 3790:? See below. If you've helped change the VfD page, it would be great if you could help out. -- 3778: 3746: 3706: 3689: 3679: 3648: 3427: 3397: 3324:

the new archiving pattern? Don't hurry to answer. I'm going to bed. I'll check this later.

2511:

Do you think it would be better to redirect this to editing the miscellaneous page instead? --

2327: 911: 681:

the full page and then straight away click 'edit' for the appropriate section; that worked. --

576: 520: 355: 238: 4106:

sign to be the icon. But someone should create this icon on the same design than the others.

3567: 5228: 5186: 5174: 5140: 5077: 4990: 4900: 4851: 4824: 4782: 4753: 4694: 4673: 4666: 4638: 4579: 4522: 4489: 4444: 4420: 4394: 4390: 4326: 4311: 4291: 4261: 4253: 4172: 4122: 4090: 4064: 4017: 4000: 3967: 3935: 3906: 3898: 3847: 3817: 3791: 3787: 3735: 3638: 3626: 3607: 3598: 3549: 3535: 3512: 3504: 3469: 3447: 3443: 3412: 3360: 3340: 3309: 3296: 3263: 3254: 3253:

Right now, it seems that you cannot edit on the "all" page...This might need some fixing. --

3221: 3214: 3172: 3152: 3116: 3054: 3041: 3021: 2948: 2929: 2903: 2878: 2861: 2807: 2780: 2755: 2731: 2699: 2679: 2638: 2629: 2571: 2535: 2512: 2495: 2468: 2447: 2398: 2380: 2368: 2339: 2317: 2307: 2288: 2269: 2261: 2202: 2197:

So I wanted to canvass other views before I go ahead and create this page as a branch from

2139: 2074: 2048: 2027: 1991: 1818: 1807: 1756: 1729: 1705: 1679: 1647: 1574: 1549: 1531: 1503: 1461: 1414: 1311: 1287: 1264: 1243: 1196: 1079: 847: 810: 749: 727: 655: 647: 624: 554: 507: 131: 118: 108: 1964:

section where the real questions go, then there could just be a transclude of that for and

4032: 2257: 2096: 1591: 1380: 1364: 1272: 210: 5085:

The Citing link is on the main page? Do you think it should be on the subpages? As for

765:

The page is now 120 Kb long! and it became more and more difficult to edit. Please state

548:

of the reference desk (instead of a separate page). Then, questions can be inserted with

3594:

page and be magically beamed over to an edit dialog window in the correct category. :-)

5090: 5035: 5007: 4946: 4881: 4833: 4707: 4658: 4647: 4627: 4592: 4500: 4462: 4232: 4048: 3894: 3840: 3810: 3720: 3456: 3423: 3408: 3393: 3382: 3325: 3284: 3243: 3202: 3161: 3141: 3130: 3064: 3030: 3009: 2988: 2972: 2845:

I think/hope so - a couple hours ago it was much worse. Hopefully it will end up like

2793: 2692: 2360: 2347: 2170: 1970: 1936: 1920: 1827: 1794: 1407: 1023: 1267:. It would be no bad thing for someone to created a Maths Desk in a similar fashion. 1091:

Black question marks for Other sounds good to me. What about a TV for Current Events?

4832:

I like it. It's sort of like WP:VP, but it's less bulky and that's a good thing. :)

4358: 4319: 4256:

was protected too, but has since been removed. I guess it isn't necessary to protect

3765: 3482: 3008:

I'm sorry. Who was that and could you explain what you mean in a little more depth?

2695:, thanks for the TOC. Not exactly what I had in mind but a nice solution anyway. ;-) 1768: 1169: 1015: 700: 196: 161: 3768:

by changing it from week-at-a-view to day-at-a-view, and it seemed to go down well,

2570:

force the user to go to the icons to choose the correct desk to add the question? --

1376:

First, I'd like to say I think that splitting in four is a good step at this point.

5121: 5086: 5066: 5062: 5058: 5003: 4979: 4975: 4703: 4588: 4257: 4248: 3194:(Please add to the list, and cross them out once checked. Thanks for helping out!) 3140:

I think if you purge "all" all the subpages will get purged, so that's a shortuct.

2836: 2376:

Excellent. Now shouldn't the page be protected (read only) to prevent edits there?

2363:! I assure you, I read the whole thing. Why do I have a feeling that some edits in 1260: 1136: 682: 571: 1056:

They click one of the icons you've made (they look really really nice by the way)

5183: 5137: 5074: 5026: 4987: 4904: 4848: 4821: 4792: 4779: 4767: 4745: 4691: 4682: 4670: 4662: 4635: 4576: 4543: 4519: 4486: 4441: 4417: 4323: 4274: 4198: 4185: 4155: 3997: 3932: 3844: 3814: 3635: 3616: 3595: 3559: 3460: 2962: 2916: 2850: 2752: 2714: 2696: 2669: 2626: 2597: 2549: 2522: 2482: 2444: 2419: 2395: 2377: 2332: 2304: 2303:

This page needs to have its own TOC. Navigating without one is near impossible.

2151: 2045: 2037: 2024: 1981: 1947: 1908: 1899: 1876: 1856: 1778: 1743: 1726: 1702: 1689: 1676: 1626: 1605: 1571: 1563: 1546: 1528: 1490:

Yes there is. I redirected the image pages to their respective RD categories. —

1481: 1432: 1390: 1229: 1179: 738: 668: 643: 601: 533: 276: 46:

If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

483:

To ask questions about electronics, computing and for general technical how-tos

1360: 1268: 478:

To ask questions about mathematics, physics, biololgy and the natural sciences

206: 1600:

I was thinking the same thing, since anybody can still edit the page through

3996:

I'm more than willing to give this a couple of weeks. Retrain my brain. :-)

3769: 3127:

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=(Full_page_name_here)&action=purge

2136: 4875:

By the way, I feel and possibly am stupid but I still don't understand how

4361:! :-) It warms up everything around here, sort of like a nice cup of tea... 3678:

Well, it's very pretty, but I for one find it much more difficult to use.

1980:

I was thinking about this too, might makes thing overly complex though. --

1404:(shrugs, sulks)... I suppose as WP grows it would have to come eventually. 272:

have been split into different categories, so why not the Reference desk?

5215: 5006:

in, of course, but can't think of an appropriate way to do it. Can you?

1349:

Also, I like the format of the Humanities, where side by side up top is

183: 179: 148: 3434:

There's also a page which lists all these pages (takes a while to load)

1050:

Most users will come to the RD, and see the entire listing of questions.

4706:

navbar idea. After all, stealing is what wikis are all about(kidding).

4354: 3889:

Everyone, there is still a page which lists all the questions! It's at

3760:, say, by transcluding all the new subpages into it. Add a link to the 841:

Hmm...I'm still a bit skeptical of the archival rate, but I think it's

378: 3615:

Section edit buttons, they also dissapear if the page is protected. --

2831:

Layout woes (from one of the reference desk subpages recently created)

927: 385: 3339:

but other than that I think just keeping it simple would be okay. --

3049:

What happens with those server generated links is that if you go to

4429:

But before categories it took hell to ask or answer a question ;).

3572: 3242:

page, but the structure seems intact, so I can't imagine problems.

3234:

Check "edit this page" links to make sure they work all over the RD

2443:

TOC come up automatically when there are more than three sections?

371: 4047:

I'm willing to help reverse it if this turns out to be a failure.

3590:

be extra wonderful would be to click a subject "edit" link on the

392: 4121:

How would one do this? I don't really know how to make them... --

3278:

Add extra links to edit entire subpages in the "see all" subpage

2860:

It's still work in progress...should be okay in a little bit. --

920: 364: 4235:

page, but I don't understand why, since you didn't protect the

1886:

The main page is permanently protected, but does not appear on

983:

To ask questions which don't fit in any of the other categories

488:

To ask questions which don't fit in any of the other categories

4167:

The distinction here has to do with some idosyncracies in the

2394:

Don't know. I made four sections but no TOC came up. Anybody?

955: 950: 945: 940: 935: 440: 435: 430: 425: 420: 415: 410: 405: 400: 25: 3756:

If you want to recreate a long form, just create a new page,

4440:

And with my slow typing edit conflicts were quite frequent.

3507:

has put in a tremendous effort in getting this page set up:

1078:

clock for current events? Do we have that icon somewhere? --

261:

above) but it was rejected for reasons I didn't understand.

174:

I've just had the "Sorry- we have a problem..." page appear

3835:

As I understand that proposal the categories would contain

2915:. Anfortunatly it's 3:30 AM over here so I'm off to bed. -- 2219:(In my opinion, incidentally, when I read the sentences 'X 1135:

either, so if anyone can come up with anything better... --

871:

Please check back a day or two after posting your question.

293:

Please check back a day or two after posting your question.

4657:

I don't know how to do it or I would have done it by now.

2268:

standing with each other, and with other variants such as

463:

To ask questions about arts, literature and the humanities

5002:

is at the bottom of the page. I'm interested in putting

869:

The reference desk is a place to ask for specific facts.

291:

The reference desk is a place to ask for specific facts.

4393:

talking about?? My friends, stay tuned, stay tuned... --

4247:

We've tried to protect the minimum number of pages. The

2463:

Protect supages of RD to ensure all talk is centralized?

1777:

IIRC, the tab said "Talk" once, but this was changed. --

4197:

A funny side note: liguistics actually is a science. --

3126: 2971:, but I don't see that being used. How did you do it? 2913: 1336: 1047:

I sort of see the reference desk being used like this:

3335:

I'm not sure myself. I have a few suggestions on the

4542:

I agree, sideways linking would be a better idea. --

2877:

How about now, how does it look? Everything okay? --

1053:

Then they decide: "Hey! I'd like to ask a question!"

638:

Does anyone have any idea why editing by section on

2789: 2779:

Doing it right now. Stay tuned...gimme a minute. --

2015:procedure when entering (==The subject==) into the 2011:This is what happens when a user follows the usual 1178:One last thing: The table design was a proposal by 809:

splitting up the page to begin with. Sound good? --

5132:should be kept as pristine as possible but giving 4893:Knowledge:Reference desk/all/How to ask and answer 4477:from category to category instead of having to go 3534:Where would be a good place to put this? Ideas? -- 1120:genealogy as opposed to other humanities subjects) 453:To ask questions about fashion and popular culture 255:Create different "reference desks" for every topic 3129:. That will reload all the included templates. 2335:went to all the subpages at 1:47 UTC and removed 3125:You forgot to purge the cache. To do that type 2507:Asking questions on Knowledge:Reference desk/all 1826:While you're here, see my issues section below. 1625:I've requested for this page to be protected. -- 473:To ask questions about health and medical topics 3468:I added the extra shortcut link to the page. -- 2625:It works, now can it be protected (read only)? 5089:, I just need an appropriate way to place it. 4938:Knowledge:Reference desk/How to ask and answer 4877:Knowledge:Reference desk/How to ask and answer 3953:Considerations for "undoing" the transition... 3171:Oh, okay. Thanks for explaining that to me. -- 2660:Protect the "All" page of the referencde desk? 1966:Knowledge:Reference_desk/How_to_ask_and_answer 4363:diary entry continues and ends a bit later... 2439:The {{TOCleft}} made it worse. Shouldn't its 2058:About the Grammar Desk (moved from that page) 1962:Knowledge:Reference desk/Humanities/Questions 963:To ask questions about news or current events 448:To ask questions about news or current events 259:Splitting the reference desk into departments 8: 4820:change your preferences; you're too humble. 4290:Oh yes. That too. Primarily that I think. -- 2939:Things that still need to be done are below: 2365:Knowledge:Department of Fun/Word Association 1675:link to a new section as might be expected. 968:To ask questions about history and genealogy 458:To ask questions about history and genealogy 103:Recent archive of reference desk discussions 4497:Like I said earlier, the little dinky : --> 4252:be unnecessarily protected. Originally the 2063:Archived here from Village pump (proposals) 279:that I'm resubmitting here (a part of it): 4778:minor as it resolves a significant issue. 3111:- link back to main page doesn't show up.. 3082:Fix display of these "edit this page link" 2416:Knowledge:Reference desk/Science/Questions 1721:Is each category supposed to have its own 1163:scheme, or leave them all in one category. 178:in a row when trying to submit a reply to 2892:Not quite done...still some odds and ends 910: 824:Knowledge:Reference desk/Science/Archive1 354: 4575:frustrating when things are going slow. 3758:Knowledge:Reference desk (complete list) 2792:for an explanation and engrossing tale. 1182:, and the icons are taken from Commons. 1875:I don't really see the problem here. -- 994:To browse all categories at once go to 5136:direction would, I think, be helpful. 4978:should probably get some direction to 3777:? This sounds easy when you say it... 3509:Knowledge:Reference_desk/Language/FAQs 3499:Knowledge:Reference_desk/Language/FAQs 3419:Knowledge:Reference desk/Miscellaneous 3109:Knowledge:Reference desk/Miscellaneous 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 3105:- two "edit this page" links show up! 7: 3586:Much easier to navigate. What would 2713:It's all looking pretty good now. -- 1919:All of these have to be dealt with. 3378:Knowledge:Reference desk/Humanities 3091:Knowledge:Reference desk/Humanities 1406:Actually it's not so bad, is it? -- 1152:Comments on the suggestions above: 5225:Okay, will work on that right now. 4485:to the next category of interest. 4214:So is history and social science. 2316:Agreed. How might this be done? -- 2240:Knowledge:Village pump (proposals) 1502:Thanks for your help with that. -- 1356:instructions how to ask a question 1212:Language (including grammar desk?) 24: 4812:Knowledge:Reference desk/Language 3745:That's what I was trying to say! 3389:Knowledge:Reference desk/Language 3103:Knowledge:Reference desk/Language 2730:I concur. This is awesome! :-) -- 1019:categories? I need your opinion. 782:I have a very minor objection :-) 275:Anyway I liked the suggestion of 5057:I agree but they're not there. 4231:I see that you've protected the 3809:Of all the alternatives so far, 3566: 3404:Knowledge:Reference desk/Science 3337:Knowledge:Reference desk archive 3097:Knowledge:Reference desk/Science 2150:not always grammatically ideal. 1072:Icons, categorization, et cetera 926: 919: 391: 384: 377: 370: 363: 29: 3521:Old header for the grammar desk 3481:, for consistency of capitals. 2790:#Knowledge:Reference_desk.2Fall 2019:box that is presented with the 4770:. Why would you tag that as a 4690:I bow to your creativity. ;-) 2666:Category:Permanently protected 2418:), possible with a __NOTOC. -- 1933:Category:Permanently protected 1525:Reference desk&action=edit 270:Knowledge:Request for comments 1: 5073:needs clarification I think. 5014:01:12, August 30, 2005 (UTC) 4974:Also, someone who ends up at 4888:00:49, August 30, 2005 (UTC) 4840:00:45, August 30, 2005 (UTC) 4654:23:44, August 29, 2005 (UTC) 4469:20:01, August 29, 2005 (UTC) 4243:09:20, August 27, 2005 (UTC) 4169:History of the Reference Desk 4085:08:12, August 27, 2005 (UTC) 3369:Suggestions for new RD usage: 3332:03:54, August 26, 2005 (UTC) 3291:03:43, August 26, 2005 (UTC) 3250:03:43, August 26, 2005 (UTC) 3209:03:51, August 26, 2005 (UTC) 3168:03:56, August 26, 2005 (UTC) 3148:03:48, August 26, 2005 (UTC) 3137:03:46, August 26, 2005 (UTC) 3037:03:26, August 26, 2005 (UTC) 3016:03:10, August 26, 2005 (UTC) 2800:02:34, August 26, 2005 (UTC) 2120:wikipedia:WikiProject Grammar 2088:wikipedia:WikiProject Grammar 1977:00:53, August 26, 2005 (UTC) 1943:00:47, August 26, 2005 (UTC) 1927:00:44, August 26, 2005 (UTC) 1868:< Knowledge:Reference desk 1801:00:11, August 26, 2005 (UTC) 1410:19:42, August 25, 2005 (UTC) 1030:19:42, August 24, 2005 (UTC) 773:08:23, August 23, 2005 (UTC) 650:00:50, August 21, 2005 (UTC) 618:07:19, August 21, 2005 (UTC) 502:08:54, August 17, 2005 (UTC) 18:Knowledge talk:Reference desk 5097:01:45, August 30, 2005 (UTC) 5042:01:25, August 30, 2005 (UTC) 4953:01:12, August 30, 2005 (UTC) 4942:Knowledge:Reference desk/all 4762:Navigation across categories 4714:00:43, August 30, 2005 (UTC) 4599:22:25, August 29, 2005 (UTC) 4507:21:01, August 29, 2005 (UTC) 4433:16:04, August 29, 2005 (UTC) 4218:08:09, August 29, 2005 (UTC) 4149:09:20, August 27, 2005 (UTC) 4110:17:50, August 27, 2005 (UTC) 4055:22:53, August 28, 2005 (UTC) 3891:Knowledge:Reference desk/all 3674:Pretty, but difficult to use 3479:Knowledge:Reference desk/All 3439:Knowledge:Reference desk/all 3354:Diary - thoughts on tomorrow 3071:03:38, August 26, 2005 (UTC) 3051:Knowledge:Reference desk/all 2995:02:59, August 26, 2005 (UTC) 2979:23:08, August 28, 2005 (UTC) 2847:Knowledge:Village pump (all) 2751:Sure is! Can we protect it? 2354:02:19, August 26, 2005 (UTC) 2298:Knowledge:Reference desk/all 1957:Knowledge:Reference desk/all 1834:00:44, August 26, 2005 (UTC) 1568:Knowledge:Reference desk/all 1435:20:31, August 25, 2005 (UTC) 1186:10:50, August 25, 2005 (UTC) 830:08:06, August 24, 2005 (UTC) 468:To ask questions about music 5232:00:34, 31 August 2005 (UTC) 5219:05:59, 30 August 2005 (UTC) 5190:03:08, 30 August 2005 (UTC) 5178:02:10, 30 August 2005 (UTC) 5144:01:57, 30 August 2005 (UTC) 5081:01:42, 30 August 2005 (UTC) 5030:01:19, 30 August 2005 (UTC) 4994:01:07, 30 August 2005 (UTC) 4908:00:56, 30 August 2005 (UTC) 4855:00:54, 30 August 2005 (UTC) 4828:00:40, 30 August 2005 (UTC) 4796:00:38, 30 August 2005 (UTC) 4786:00:32, 30 August 2005 (UTC) 4757:02:07, 30 August 2005 (UTC) 4698:00:20, 30 August 2005 (UTC) 4686:00:04, 30 August 2005 (UTC) 4677:23:58, 29 August 2005 (UTC) 4642:23:23, 29 August 2005 (UTC) 4583:21:50, 29 August 2005 (UTC) 4547:21:44, 29 August 2005 (UTC) 4526:21:28, 29 August 2005 (UTC) 4493:20:24, 29 August 2005 (UTC) 4448:19:33, 29 August 2005 (UTC) 4424:02:28, 29 August 2005 (UTC) 4398:01:32, 30 August 2005 (UTC) 4330:02:34, 29 August 2005 (UTC) 4295:22:07, 28 August 2005 (UTC) 4278:19:07, 28 August 2005 (UTC) 4265:14:22, 27 August 2005 (UTC) 4202:20:13, 28 August 2005 (UTC) 4189:20:10, 28 August 2005 (UTC) 4176:23:05, 27 August 2005 (UTC) 4159:18:55, 27 August 2005 (UTC) 4126:23:12, 27 August 2005 (UTC) 4094:14:11, 27 August 2005 (UTC) 4068:00:50, 31 August 2005 (UTC) 4041:03:29, 27 August 2005 (UTC) 4021:02:37, 27 August 2005 (UTC) 4004:02:22, 27 August 2005 (UTC) 3988:02:12, 27 August 2005 (UTC) 3971:01:51, 27 August 2005 (UTC) 3939:00:57, 27 August 2005 (UTC) 3910:23:07, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3878:21:48, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3864:22:02, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3851:20:48, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3831:19:52, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3821:19:39, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3795:23:41, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3786:How is this different from 3782:18:42, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3773:18:41, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3750:18:42, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3739:00:00, 27 August 2005 (UTC) 3724:18:33, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3710:18:28, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3697:18:09, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3683:17:46, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3656:17:11, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3642:16:35, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3630:16:19, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3620:16:09, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3611:16:07, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3602:16:01, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3578:15:46, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3553:13:36, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3539:05:17, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3516:05:13, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3486:16:00, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3473:13:17, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3464:12:37, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3451:04:43, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3364:04:34, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3344:04:27, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3313:04:29, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3300:03:52, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3267:13:38, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3258:04:29, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3225:14:22, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3217:04:29, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3176:04:30, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3156:03:53, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3120:03:42, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3058:03:34, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3045:03:27, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 3025:03:17, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2966:12:06, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2952:04:31, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2933:02:39, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2920:02:30, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2907:02:26, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2882:13:25, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2865:23:38, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 2853:22:40, 2005 August 25 (UTC) 2840:19:41, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 2811:00:09, 27 August 2005 (UTC) 2784:02:24, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2759:02:15, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2735:02:13, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2718:02:10, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2703:02:02, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2683:01:49, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2673:01:37, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2642:13:24, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2633:02:25, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2601:02:02, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2575:01:56, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2553:01:52, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2526:01:35, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2516:01:32, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2499:01:30, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2486:01:21, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2472:01:19, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2451:01:39, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2423:01:31, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2402:01:28, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2384:02:32, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2372:02:37, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2321:01:20, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2311:01:16, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2292:21:48, 22 August 2005 (UTC) 2229:20:06, 19 August 2005 (UTC) 2206:15:47, 18 August 2005 (UTC) 2174:14:33, 18 August 2005 (UTC) 2155:03:44, 18 August 2005 (UTC) 2143:15:37, 17 August 2005 (UTC) 2113:10:27, 17 August 2005 (UTC) 2100:01:59, 17 August 2005 (UTC) 2093:wikipedia:English style FAQ 2078:19:04, 16 August 2005 (UTC) 2052:01:08, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 2031:00:58, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 1995:01:12, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 1985:01:06, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 1951:01:06, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 1912:01:12, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 1903:01:06, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 1880:01:06, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 1870:", but that doesn't cut it. 1860:01:06, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 1822:00:22, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 1811:00:22, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 1782:02:18, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 1772:01:14, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 1760:00:38, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 1747:18:41, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1733:18:35, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1709:18:35, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1693:18:30, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1683:18:21, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1651:00:39, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 1630:18:44, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1621:17:55, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1609:17:40, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1595:17:19, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1578:19:47, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1553:19:06, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1535:16:27, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1507:00:39, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 1498:17:51, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1485:16:16, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1465:00:46, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 1418:00:46, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 1394:14:42, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1384:14:32, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1367:18:26, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1315:00:50, 26 August 2005 (UTC) 1304:17:56, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1291:12:44, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1280:11:09, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1247:13:36, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1233:13:20, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1200:12:54, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1140:06:50, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 1083:23:05, 24 August 2005 (UTC) 851:16:45, 24 August 2005 (UTC) 814:11:00, 23 August 2005 (UTC) 753:23:13, 22 August 2005 (UTC) 741:23:03, 2005 August 22 (UTC) 731:22:39, 22 August 2005 (UTC) 714:22:27, 22 August 2005 (UTC) 686:04:46, 21 August 2005 (UTC) 671:01:05, 2005 August 21 (UTC) 659:00:59, 21 August 2005 (UTC) 628:13:04, 21 August 2005 (UTC) 604:04:55, 2005 August 20 (UTC) 584:03:40, 20 August 2005 (UTC) 558:03:36, 20 August 2005 (UTC) 536:01:04, 2005 August 20 (UTC) 524:23:59, 19 August 2005 (UTC) 511:10:09, 17 August 2005 (UTC) 246:07:14, 17 August 2005 (UTC) 229:06:27, 17 August 2005 (UTC) 218:15:57, 16 August 2005 (UTC) 200:14:47, 16 August 2005 (UTC) 165:05:20, 16 August 2005 (UTC) 135:03:07, 20 August 2005 (UTC) 122:02:34, 20 August 2005 (UTC) 112:03:53, 19 August 2005 (UTC) 5248: 5023:Knowledge:Citing Knowledge 5000:Knowledge:Citing Knowledge 4984:Knowledge:Citing Knowledge 4891:If you read the source of 3000:Fix "edit this page" links 2125:Knowledge:Community portal 1326: 1263:has just been created, by 981: 976: 971: 966: 961: 486: 481: 476: 471: 466: 461: 456: 451: 446: 3198:Check unneeded redirects 1541:Now links to a new page: 1110:My suggestions would be: 1059:They enter their question 1022:And about the icons, the 1009:Comments about categories 761:Time to archive this now! 4814:(new header isn't there) 4481:to the main RD and then 4102:Someone had suggested a 3903:Knowledge:Reference desk 3805:Considering alternatives 3762:Knowledge:Reference desk 3099:- doesn't show up at all 2912:A list of the subpages: 2247:Knowledge:Reference desk 2234:Fresh to page discussion 2199:Knowledge:Ask a question 2192:Knowledge:Reference desk 2129:Knowledge:Reference desk 2073:attached. Any comments? 1888:Knowledge:Protected page 1353:contents of what is here 726:is my take on things. -- 640:Knowledge:Reference desk 4970:Link to Ask a Question? 4626:No, I don't understand 4136:Language vs. Humanities 1955:While I'm complaining, 3477:Another redirect from 2287:Thank you, and enjoy. 2068:Knowledge:Grammar desk 1740:Knowledge:Grammar desk 1062:They save the question 143:Time to archive again? 5120:I still believe that 2664:btw, could you add a 2278:South Efrican English 2084:User talk:Ground Zero 1931:It should also be in 1725:or just one for all? 913:File:P literature.png 357:File:P literature.png 42:of past discussions. 5227:Done. Looks good? -- 4897:Category:Mathematics 4741:The perfect solution 4140:Just few questions: 3893:, with the shortcut 2137:Get it write on-line 2007:==Subject/headline== 1543:Reference desk (all) 1521:Reference desk (all) 996:Reference desk (all) 5019:Knowledge:Help desk 4774:? It definitely is 4702:We could steal the 3262:Seems fixed now. -- 2282:New Zealand English 2133:Knowledge:Help desk 5182:I get your point. 4237:Template:RD header 3238:I haven't checked 2274:Australian English 1602:Template:RD header 1405: 1215:Humanities/History 634:editing by section 5124:should be on the 4387:what in the world 2328:Knowledge:Section 2118:I took a look at 1841:Unresolved Issues 1742:at the moment. -- 1519:The link labeled 1402: 1324:I'm referring to 1278: 1006: 1005: 1002: 1001: 988: 987: 984: 979: 974: 969: 964: 872: 497: 496: 493: 492: 489: 484: 479: 474: 469: 464: 459: 454: 449: 294: 216: 170:Archive this now! 100: 99: 54: 53: 48:current talk page 5239: 4901:Category:Science 4810:Minor glitch at 4808:the new header. 3985:(a tenth stroke) 3575: 3571: 3570: 3563: 3505:User:Ground Zero 2668:to this page? -- 2344: 2338: 2270:Canadian English 2262:American English 2044:links are gone. 2017:Subject/headline 1372:Moving questions 1339: 1271: 1265:User:Ground Zero 990: 989: 982: 977: 972: 967: 962: 930: 923: 916: 914: 878: 877: 868: 860: 859: 579: 574: 487: 482: 477: 472: 467: 462: 457: 452: 447: 395: 388: 381: 374: 367: 360: 358: 300: 299: 290: 282: 281: 226:Garrett Albright 209: 193: 190: 187: 158: 155: 152: 78: 56: 55: 33: 32: 26: 5247: 5246: 5242: 5241: 5240: 5238: 5237: 5236: 5212: 5059:Differentiating 4972: 4843:Wheee! this is 4764: 4743: 4458: 4414: 4357:and joke about 4229: 4138: 4078: 3955: 3807: 3676: 3573: 3565: 3561: 3546: 3523: 3502: 3371: 3356: 3192: 3084: 3002: 2894: 2833: 2662: 2509: 2465: 2359:That's awesome 2342: 2336: 2301: 2258:British English 2236: 2070: 2065: 2060: 2009: 1869: 1843: 1790: 1719: 1665: 1588: 1566:. Now links to 1517: 1477: 1374: 1369: 1343: 1342: 1335: 1331: 1257: 1168:Take a look at 1074: 1011: 912: 863:Reference desk 779: 763: 696: 636: 577: 572: 356: 285:Reference desk 191: 188: 185: 172: 156: 153: 150: 145: 105: 74: 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 5245: 5243: 5235: 5234: 5211: 5208: 5207: 5206: 5205: 5204: 5203: 5202: 5201: 5200: 5199: 5198: 5197: 5196: 5195: 5194: 5193: 5192: 5157: 5156: 5155: 5154: 5153: 5152: 5151: 5150: 5149: 5148: 5147: 5146: 5107: 5106: 5105: 5104: 5103: 5102: 5101: 5100: 5099: 5098: 5067:Wiki reference 5048: 5047: 5046: 5045: 5044: 5043: 4971: 4968: 4967: 4966: 4965: 4964: 4963: 4962: 4961: 4960: 4959: 4958: 4957: 4956: 4955: 4954: 4921: 4920: 4919: 4918: 4917: 4916: 4915: 4914: 4913: 4912: 4911: 4910: 4864: 4863: 4862: 4861: 4860: 4859: 4858: 4857: 4799: 4798: 4763: 4760: 4742: 4739: 4738: 4737: 4736: 4735: 4734: 4733: 4732: 4731: 4730: 4729: 4728: 4727: 4726: 4725: 4724: 4723: 4722: 4721: 4720: 4719: 4718: 4717: 4716: 4715: 4611: 4610: 4609: 4608: 4607: 4606: 4605: 4604: 4603: 4602: 4601: 4600: 4556: 4555: 4554: 4553: 4552: 4551: 4550: 4549: 4533: 4532: 4531: 4530: 4529: 4528: 4511: 4510: 4509: 4508: 4457: 4454: 4453: 4452: 4451: 4450: 4435: 4434: 4413: 4410: 4409: 4408: 4407: 4406: 4405: 4404: 4403: 4402: 4401: 4400: 4374: 4373: 4372: 4371: 4370: 4369: 4368: 4367: 4366: 4365: 4339: 4338: 4337: 4336: 4335: 4334: 4333: 4332: 4318:to sound like 4302: 4301: 4300: 4299: 4298: 4297: 4283: 4282: 4281: 4280: 4268: 4267: 4233:Reference desk 4228: 4225: 4224: 4223: 4222: 4221: 4220: 4219: 4207: 4206: 4205: 4204: 4192: 4191: 4181: 4180: 4179: 4178: 4162: 4161: 4151: 4150: 4137: 4134: 4133: 4132: 4131: 4130: 4129: 4128: 4114: 4113: 4112: 4111: 4097: 4096: 4077: 4074: 4073: 4072: 4071: 4070: 4057: 4056: 4044: 4043: 4028: 4027: 4026: 4025: 4024: 4023: 4009: 4008: 4007: 4006: 3991: 3990: 3975: 3954: 3951: 3950: 3949: 3948: 3947: 3946: 3945: 3944: 3943: 3942: 3941: 3919: 3918: 3917: 3916: 3915: 3914: 3913: 3912: 3871: 3870: 3869: 3868: 3867: 3866: 3806: 3803: 3802: 3801: 3800: 3799: 3798: 3797: 3754: 3753: 3752: 3743: 3742: 3741: 3717: 3715: 3714: 3713: 3712: 3700: 3699: 3675: 3672: 3671: 3670: 3669: 3668: 3667: 3666: 3665: 3664: 3663: 3662: 3661: 3660: 3659: 3658: 3581: 3580: 3545: 3542: 3522: 3519: 3501: 3496: 3495: 3494: 3493: 3492: 3491: 3490: 3489: 3488: 3432: 3431: 3416: 3401: 3386: 3370: 3367: 3355: 3352: 3351: 3350: 3349: 3348: 3347: 3346: 3315: 3306: 3305: 3304: 3303: 3302: 3275: 3274: 3273: 3272: 3271: 3270: 3269: 3231: 3230: 3229: 3228: 3227: 3191: 3188: 3187: 3186: 3185: 3184: 3183: 3182: 3181: 3180: 3179: 3178: 3113: 3112: 3106: 3100: 3094: 3083: 3080: 3079: 3078: 3077: 3076: 3075: 3074: 3073: 3072: 3060: 3047: 3001: 2998: 2997: 2996: 2984: 2983: 2982: 2981: 2980: 2954: 2941: 2940: 2937: 2936: 2935: 2923: 2922: 2893: 2890: 2889: 2888: 2887: 2886: 2885: 2884: 2870: 2869: 2868: 2867: 2855: 2854: 2832: 2829: 2828: 2827: 2826: 2825: 2824: 2823: 2822: 2821: 2820: 2819: 2818: 2817: 2816: 2815: 2814: 2813: 2768: 2767: 2766: 2765: 2764: 2763: 2762: 2761: 2742: 2741: 2740: 2739: 2738: 2737: 2723: 2722: 2721: 2720: 2708: 2707: 2706: 2705: 2686: 2685: 2661: 2658: 2657: 2656: 2655: 2654: 2653: 2652: 2651: 2650: 2649: 2648: 2647: 2646: 2645: 2644: 2612: 2611: 2610: 2609: 2608: 2607: 2606: 2605: 2604: 2603: 2584: 2583: 2582: 2581: 2580: 2579: 2578: 2577: 2560: 2559: 2558: 2557: 2556: 2555: 2541: 2540: 2539: 2538: 2529: 2528: 2508: 2505: 2504: 2503: 2502: 2501: 2489: 2488: 2464: 2461: 2460: 2459: 2458: 2457: 2456: 2455: 2454: 2453: 2430: 2429: 2428: 2427: 2426: 2425: 2407: 2406: 2405: 2404: 2389: 2388: 2387: 2386: 2357: 2356: 2355: 2300: 2295: 2235: 2232: 2179: 2178: 2177: 2176: 2158: 2157: 2146: 2145: 2069: 2066: 2064: 2061: 2059: 2056: 2055: 2054: 2008: 2005: 2004: 2003: 2002: 2001: 2000: 1999: 1998: 1997: 1953: 1917: 1916: 1915: 1914: 1892: 1891: 1883: 1882: 1872: 1871: 1867: 1863: 1862: 1852: 1851: 1842: 1839: 1838: 1837: 1836: 1835: 1814: 1813: 1789: 1786: 1785: 1784: 1765: 1764: 1763: 1762: 1750: 1749: 1718: 1715: 1714: 1713: 1712: 1711: 1696: 1695: 1664: 1663:More bad links 1661: 1660: 1659: 1658: 1657: 1656: 1655: 1654: 1653: 1637: 1636: 1635: 1634: 1633: 1632: 1587: 1586:Lock the page? 1584: 1583: 1582: 1581: 1580: 1557: 1556: 1523:is linking to 1516: 1513: 1512: 1511: 1510: 1509: 1476: 1473: 1472: 1471: 1470: 1469: 1468: 1467: 1453: 1452: 1451: 1450: 1449: 1448: 1439: 1438: 1437: 1436: 1425: 1424: 1423: 1422: 1421: 1420: 1397: 1396: 1373: 1370: 1359: 1358: 1357: 1354: 1341: 1340: 1332: 1327: 1318: 1317: 1294: 1293: 1256: 1253: 1252: 1251: 1250: 1249: 1236: 1235: 1225: 1224: 1223: 1222: 1219: 1216: 1213: 1207: 1206: 1192: 1191: 1190: 1189: 1188: 1187: 1176: 1173: 1166: 1165: 1164: 1160: 1157: 1145: 1144: 1143: 1142: 1129: 1128: 1127: 1126: 1125: 1124: 1121: 1117: 1114: 1105: 1104: 1103: 1102: 1095: 1094: 1093: 1092: 1086: 1085: 1073: 1070: 1069: 1068: 1067: 1066: 1063: 1060: 1057: 1054: 1051: 1044: 1043: 1038: 1037: 1024:Current events 1010: 1007: 1004: 1003: 1000: 999: 986: 985: 980: 975: 970: 965: 959: 958: 953: 948: 943: 938: 932: 931: 924: 917: 908: 905: 904: 899: 894: 889: 884: 882:Current events 874: 873: 870: 865: 864: 858: 857: 856: 855: 854: 853: 834: 833: 832: 831: 817: 816: 805: 804: 799: 798: 793: 792: 788: 787: 783: 778: 775: 762: 759: 758: 757: 756: 755: 743: 742: 734: 733: 722: 721: 695: 692: 691: 690: 689: 688: 675: 674: 673: 672: 662: 661: 635: 632: 631: 630: 612: 611: 610: 609: 608: 607: 606: 605: 591: 590: 589: 588: 587: 586: 563: 562: 561: 560: 538: 537: 529: 528: 527: 526: 514: 513: 495: 494: 491: 490: 485: 480: 475: 470: 465: 460: 455: 450: 444: 443: 438: 433: 428: 423: 418: 413: 408: 403: 397: 396: 389: 382: 375: 368: 361: 352: 350: 347: 346: 341: 336: 331: 326: 321: 316: 311: 306: 304:Current events 296: 295: 292: 287: 286: 251: 250: 249: 248: 232: 231: 171: 168: 144: 141: 140: 139: 138: 137: 125: 124: 104: 101: 98: 97: 92: 89: 84: 79: 72: 67: 62: 52: 51: 34: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 5244: 5233: 5230: 5226: 5223: 5222: 5221: 5220: 5217: 5209: 5191: 5188: 5185: 5181: 5180: 5179: 5176: 5171: 5170: 5169: 5168: 5167: 5166: 5165: 5164: 5163: 5162: 5161: 5160: 5159: 5158: 5145: 5142: 5139: 5135: 5131: 5127: 5123: 5119: 5118: 5117: 5116: 5115: 5114: 5113: 5112: 5111: 5110: 5109: 5108: 5096: 5092: 5088: 5084: 5083: 5082: 5079: 5076: 5072: 5068: 5064: 5060: 5056: 5055: 5054: 5053: 5052: 5051: 5050: 5049: 5041: 5037: 5033: 5032: 5031: 5028: 5024: 5020: 5016: 5015: 5013: 5009: 5005: 5001: 4998: 4997: 4996: 4995: 4992: 4989: 4985: 4981: 4977: 4969: 4952: 4948: 4943: 4939: 4935: 4934: 4933: 4932: 4931: 4930: 4929: 4928: 4927: 4926: 4925: 4924: 4923: 4922: 4909: 4906: 4902: 4898: 4894: 4890: 4889: 4887: 4883: 4878: 4874: 4873: 4872: 4871: 4870: 4869: 4868: 4867: 4866: 4865: 4856: 4853: 4850: 4846: 4842: 4841: 4839: 4835: 4831: 4830: 4829: 4826: 4823: 4819: 4815: 4813: 4807: 4803: 4802: 4801: 4800: 4797: 4794: 4790: 4789: 4788: 4787: 4784: 4781: 4777: 4773: 4769: 4761: 4759: 4758: 4755: 4751: 4747: 4740: 4713: 4709: 4705: 4701: 4700: 4699: 4696: 4693: 4689: 4688: 4687: 4684: 4680: 4679: 4678: 4675: 4672: 4668: 4664: 4660: 4656: 4655: 4653: 4649: 4645: 4644: 4643: 4640: 4637: 4633: 4629: 4625: 4624: 4623: 4622: 4621: 4620: 4619: 4618: 4617: 4616: 4615: 4614: 4613: 4612: 4598: 4594: 4590: 4586: 4585: 4584: 4581: 4578: 4574: 4570: 4566: 4565: 4564: 4563: 4562: 4561: 4560: 4559: 4558: 4557: 4548: 4545: 4541: 4540: 4539: 4538: 4537: 4536: 4535: 4534: 4527: 4524: 4521: 4517: 4516: 4515: 4514: 4513: 4512: 4506: 4502: 4496: 4495: 4494: 4491: 4488: 4484: 4480: 4476: 4472: 4471: 4470: 4468: 4464: 4455: 4449: 4446: 4443: 4439: 4438: 4437: 4436: 4432: 4428: 4427: 4426: 4425: 4422: 4419: 4412:Inconvenience 4411: 4399: 4396: 4392: 4388: 4384: 4383: 4382: 4381: 4380: 4379: 4378: 4377: 4376: 4375: 4364: 4360: 4359:Bilbo Baggins 4356: 4352: 4349: 4348: 4347: 4346: 4345: 4344: 4343: 4342: 4341: 4340: 4331: 4328: 4325: 4321: 4320:Bilbo Baggins 4317: 4313: 4310: 4309: 4308: 4307: 4306: 4305: 4304: 4303: 4296: 4293: 4289: 4288: 4287: 4286: 4285: 4284: 4279: 4276: 4272: 4271: 4270: 4269: 4266: 4263: 4259: 4255: 4250: 4246: 4245: 4244: 4242: 4238: 4234: 4226: 4217: 4213: 4212: 4211: 4210: 4209: 4208: 4203: 4200: 4196: 4195: 4194: 4193: 4190: 4187: 4183: 4182: 4177: 4174: 4170: 4166: 4165: 4164: 4163: 4160: 4157: 4153: 4152: 4148: 4143: 4142: 4141: 4135: 4127: 4124: 4120: 4119: 4118: 4117: 4116: 4115: 4109: 4105: 4101: 4100: 4099: 4098: 4095: 4092: 4088: 4087: 4086: 4084: 4075: 4069: 4066: 4061: 4060: 4059: 4058: 4054: 4050: 4046: 4045: 4042: 4038: 4034: 4030: 4029: 4022: 4019: 4016:Yippie!!!! -- 4015: 4014: 4013: 4012: 4011: 4010: 4005: 4002: 3999: 3995: 3994: 3993: 3992: 3989: 3986: 3983: 3982:Theresa Knott 3978: 3977: 3976: 3973: 3972: 3969: 3963: 3959: 3952: 3940: 3937: 3934: 3929: 3928: 3927: 3926: 3925: 3924: 3923: 3922: 3921: 3920: 3911: 3908: 3904: 3900: 3896: 3892: 3888: 3887: 3886: 3885: 3884: 3883: 3882: 3881: 3880: 3879: 3876: 3865: 3862: 3858: 3857:Laura Scudder 3854: 3853: 3852: 3849: 3846: 3842: 3838: 3834: 3833: 3832: 3829: 3825: 3824: 3823: 3822: 3819: 3816: 3812: 3804: 3796: 3793: 3789: 3785: 3784: 3783: 3780: 3776: 3775: 3774: 3771: 3767: 3763: 3759: 3755: 3751: 3748: 3744: 3740: 3737: 3732: 3731: 3730: 3729: 3728: 3727: 3726: 3725: 3722: 3711: 3708: 3704: 3703: 3702: 3701: 3698: 3695: 3691: 3690:Laura Scudder 3687: 3686: 3685: 3684: 3681: 3673: 3657: 3654: 3650: 3649:Laura Scudder 3645: 3644: 3643: 3640: 3637: 3633: 3632: 3631: 3628: 3623: 3622: 3621: 3618: 3614: 3613: 3612: 3609: 3605: 3604: 3603: 3600: 3597: 3593: 3589: 3585: 3584: 3583: 3582: 3579: 3576: 3569: 3564: 3557: 3556: 3555: 3554: 3551: 3543: 3541: 3540: 3537: 3532: 3531: 3526: 3520: 3518: 3517: 3514: 3510: 3506: 3500: 3497: 3487: 3484: 3480: 3476: 3475: 3474: 3471: 3467: 3466: 3465: 3462: 3458: 3454: 3453: 3452: 3449: 3445: 3440: 3437: 3436: 3435: 3429: 3425: 3420: 3417: 3414: 3410: 3405: 3402: 3399: 3395: 3390: 3387: 3384: 3379: 3376: 3375: 3374: 3368: 3366: 3365: 3362: 3353: 3345: 3342: 3338: 3334: 3333: 3331: 3327: 3323: 3319: 3318: 3316: 3314: 3311: 3307: 3301: 3298: 3293: 3292: 3290: 3286: 3281: 3280: 3279: 3276: 3268: 3265: 3261: 3260: 3259: 3256: 3252: 3251: 3249: 3245: 3241: 3237: 3236: 3235: 3232: 3226: 3223: 3218: 3216: 3211: 3210: 3208: 3204: 3200: 3199: 3197: 3196: 3195: 3189: 3177: 3174: 3170: 3169: 3167: 3163: 3159: 3158: 3157: 3154: 3150: 3149: 3147: 3143: 3139: 3138: 3136: 3132: 3128: 3124: 3123: 3122: 3121: 3118: 3110: 3107: 3104: 3101: 3098: 3095: 3092: 3089: 3088: 3087: 3081: 3070: 3066: 3061: 3059: 3056: 3052: 3048: 3046: 3043: 3039: 3038: 3036: 3032: 3028: 3027: 3026: 3023: 3018: 3017: 3015: 3011: 3007: 3006: 3005: 2999: 2994: 2990: 2985: 2978: 2974: 2969: 2968: 2967: 2964: 2960: 2959: 2958: 2955: 2953: 2950: 2946: 2943: 2942: 2938: 2934: 2931: 2927: 2926: 2925: 2924: 2921: 2918: 2914: 2911: 2910: 2909: 2908: 2905: 2900: 2897: 2891: 2883: 2880: 2876: 2875: 2874: 2873: 2872: 2871: 2866: 2863: 2859: 2858: 2857: 2856: 2852: 2848: 2844: 2843: 2842: 2841: 2838: 2830: 2812: 2809: 2804: 2803: 2802: 2801: 2799: 2795: 2791: 2787: 2786: 2785: 2782: 2778: 2777: 2776: 2775: 2774: 2773: 2772: 2771: 2770: 2769: 2760: 2757: 2754: 2750: 2749: 2748: 2747: 2746: 2745: 2744: 2743: 2736: 2733: 2729: 2728: 2727: 2726: 2725: 2724: 2719: 2716: 2712: 2711: 2710: 2709: 2704: 2701: 2698: 2694: 2690: 2689: 2688: 2687: 2684: 2681: 2677: 2676: 2675: 2674: 2671: 2667: 2659: 2643: 2640: 2636: 2635: 2634: 2631: 2628: 2624: 2623: 2622: 2621: 2620: 2619: 2618: 2617: 2616: 2615: 2614: 2613: 2602: 2599: 2594: 2593: 2592: 2591: 2590: 2589: 2588: 2587: 2586: 2585: 2576: 2573: 2568: 2567: 2566: 2565: 2564: 2563: 2562: 2561: 2554: 2551: 2547: 2546: 2545: 2544: 2543: 2542: 2537: 2533: 2532: 2531: 2530: 2527: 2524: 2520: 2519: 2518: 2517: 2514: 2506: 2500: 2497: 2493: 2492: 2491: 2490: 2487: 2484: 2480: 2476: 2475: 2474: 2473: 2470: 2462: 2452: 2449: 2446: 2442: 2438: 2437: 2436: 2435: 2434: 2433: 2432: 2431: 2424: 2421: 2417: 2413: 2412: 2411: 2410: 2409: 2408: 2403: 2400: 2397: 2393: 2392: 2391: 2390: 2385: 2382: 2379: 2375: 2374: 2373: 2370: 2366: 2362: 2358: 2353: 2349: 2341: 2334: 2329: 2324: 2323: 2322: 2319: 2315: 2314: 2313: 2312: 2309: 2306: 2299: 2296: 2294: 2293: 2290: 2285: 2284:and others. 2283: 2279: 2275: 2271: 2267: 2263: 2259: 2254: 2250: 2248: 2243: 2241: 2233: 2231: 2230: 2227: 2222: 2217: 2214: 2208: 2207: 2204: 2200: 2195: 2193: 2189: 2183: 2175: 2172: 2167: 2162: 2161: 2160: 2159: 2156: 2153: 2148: 2147: 2144: 2141: 2138: 2134: 2130: 2126: 2121: 2117: 2116: 2115: 2114: 2111: 2106: 2102: 2101: 2098: 2094: 2089: 2085: 2082:(copied from 2080: 2079: 2076: 2067: 2062: 2057: 2053: 2050: 2047: 2043: 2039: 2035: 2034: 2033: 2032: 2029: 2026: 2022: 2018: 2014: 2006: 1996: 1993: 1988: 1987: 1986: 1983: 1979: 1978: 1976: 1972: 1967: 1963: 1958: 1954: 1952: 1949: 1945: 1944: 1942: 1938: 1934: 1930: 1929: 1928: 1926: 1922: 1913: 1910: 1906: 1905: 1904: 1901: 1897: 1894: 1893: 1889: 1885: 1884: 1881: 1878: 1874: 1873: 1865: 1864: 1861: 1858: 1854: 1853: 1848: 1847: 1846: 1840: 1833: 1829: 1825: 1824: 1823: 1820: 1816: 1815: 1812: 1809: 1804: 1803: 1802: 1800: 1796: 1787: 1783: 1780: 1776: 1775: 1774: 1773: 1770: 1761: 1758: 1754: 1753: 1752: 1751: 1748: 1745: 1741: 1737: 1736: 1735: 1734: 1731: 1728: 1724: 1716: 1710: 1707: 1704: 1700: 1699: 1698: 1697: 1694: 1691: 1687: 1686: 1685: 1684: 1681: 1678: 1674: 1670: 1662: 1652: 1649: 1645: 1644: 1643: 1642: 1641: 1640: 1639: 1638: 1631: 1628: 1624: 1623: 1622: 1619: 1616: 1612: 1611: 1610: 1607: 1603: 1599: 1598: 1597: 1596: 1593: 1585: 1579: 1576: 1573: 1569: 1565: 1561: 1560: 1559: 1558: 1555: 1554: 1551: 1548: 1544: 1539: 1538: 1537: 1536: 1533: 1530: 1526: 1522: 1514: 1508: 1505: 1501: 1500: 1499: 1496: 1493: 1489: 1488: 1487: 1486: 1483: 1474: 1466: 1463: 1459: 1458: 1457: 1456: 1455: 1454: 1445: 1444: 1443: 1442: 1441: 1440: 1434: 1429: 1428: 1427: 1426: 1419: 1416: 1412: 1411: 1409: 1401: 1400: 1399: 1398: 1395: 1392: 1388: 1387: 1386: 1385: 1382: 1377: 1371: 1368: 1365: 1362: 1355: 1352: 1351: 1350: 1347: 1338: 1334: 1333: 1330: 1325: 1322: 1316: 1313: 1308: 1307: 1306: 1305: 1302: 1299: 1292: 1289: 1284: 1283: 1282: 1281: 1277: 1274: 1270: 1266: 1262: 1254: 1248: 1245: 1240: 1239: 1238: 1237: 1234: 1231: 1227: 1226: 1221:Miscellaneous 1220: 1217: 1214: 1211: 1210: 1209: 1208: 1204: 1203: 1202: 1201: 1198: 1185: 1181: 1177: 1174: 1171: 1167: 1161: 1158: 1154: 1153: 1151: 1150: 1149: 1148: 1147: 1146: 1141: 1138: 1133: 1132: 1131: 1130: 1122: 1118: 1115: 1112: 1111: 1109: 1108: 1107: 1106: 1099: 1098: 1097: 1096: 1090: 1089: 1088: 1087: 1084: 1081: 1076: 1075: 1071: 1064: 1061: 1058: 1055: 1052: 1049: 1048: 1046: 1045: 1040: 1039: 1033: 1032: 1031: 1029: 1025: 1020: 1017: 1016:biotechnology 1008: 998: 997: 992: 991: 960: 957: 954: 952: 949: 947: 944: 942: 939: 937: 934: 933: 929: 925: 922: 918: 915: 909: 907: 906: 903: 900: 898: 895: 893: 890: 888: 885: 883: 880: 879: 876: 875: 867: 866: 862: 861: 852: 849: 844: 840: 839: 838: 837: 836: 835: 829: 825: 821: 820: 819: 818: 815: 812: 807: 806: 801: 800: 795: 794: 790: 789: 784: 781: 780: 776: 774: 772: 768: 760: 754: 751: 747: 746: 745: 744: 740: 736: 735: 732: 729: 724: 723: 718: 717: 716: 715: 711: 707: 703: 702: 693: 687: 684: 679: 678: 677: 676: 670: 666: 665: 664: 663: 660: 657: 653: 652: 651: 649: 645: 641: 633: 629: 626: 621: 620: 619: 617: 603: 599: 598: 597: 596: 595: 594: 593: 592: 585: 582: 581: 575: 569: 568: 567: 566: 565: 564: 559: 556: 551: 547: 542: 541: 540: 539: 535: 531: 530: 525: 522: 518: 517: 516: 515: 512: 509: 505: 504: 503: 501: 445: 442: 439: 437: 434: 432: 429: 427: 424: 422: 419: 417: 414: 412: 409: 407: 404: 402: 399: 398: 394: 390: 387: 383: 380: 376: 373: 369: 366: 362: 359: 353: 351: 349: 348: 345: 342: 340: 337: 335: 332: 330: 327: 325: 322: 320: 317: 315: 312: 310: 307: 305: 302: 301: 298: 297: 289: 288: 284: 283: 280: 278: 273: 271: 267: 262: 260: 256: 247: 244: 240: 239:Laura Scudder 236: 235: 234: 233: 230: 227: 222: 221: 220: 219: 215: 212: 208: 202: 201: 198: 194: 181: 177: 169: 167: 166: 163: 159: 142: 136: 133: 129: 128: 127: 126: 123: 120: 116: 115: 114: 113: 110: 102: 96: 93: 90: 88: 85: 83: 80: 77: 73: 71: 68: 66: 63: 61: 58: 57: 49: 45: 41: 40: 35: 28: 27: 19: 5224: 5213: 5210:Archive link 5133: 5129: 5125: 4973: 4844: 4817: 4809: 4805: 4775: 4771: 4765: 4749: 4744: 4704:Village pump 4631: 4572: 4568: 4482: 4478: 4474: 4459: 4415: 4386: 4362: 4350: 4315: 4230: 4168: 4139: 4103: 4079: 3974: 3964: 3960: 3956: 3875:Trollderella 3872: 3836: 3828:Trollderella 3808: 3779:Trollderella 3747:Trollderella 3716: 3707:Trollderella 3680:Trollderella 3677: 3591: 3587: 3558:Very nice. 3547: 3533: 3528: 3527: 3524: 3503: 3433: 3372: 3357: 3321: 3277: 3239: 3233: 3212: 3193: 3114: 3093:- looks okay 3085: 3020:problems. -- 3003: 2956: 2944: 2901: 2898: 2895: 2834: 2805:hush* -: --> 2663: 2510: 2479:accidentally 2478: 2466: 2440: 2302: 2286: 2265: 2255: 2251: 2244: 2237: 2220: 2218: 2212: 2209: 2196: 2187: 2184: 2180: 2165: 2107: 2103: 2081: 2071: 2041: 2020: 2016: 2012: 2010: 1918: 1895: 1844: 1791: 1766: 1722: 1720: 1717:Talk page(s) 1701:OK, thanks. 1672: 1668: 1666: 1589: 1540: 1524: 1520: 1518: 1478: 1378: 1375: 1348: 1344: 1323: 1319: 1295: 1261:Grammar Desk 1258: 1255:Grammar desk 1242:changes...-- 1218:Science/Math 1193: 1021: 1012: 993: 842: 766: 764: 699: 697: 637: 613: 580: 549: 545: 521:Trollderella 498: 274: 266:Village pump 263: 258: 254: 252: 203: 176:eleven times 175: 173: 146: 106: 75: 43: 37: 5229:HappyCamper 5175:HappyCamper 5071:Wiki citing 4754:HappyCamper 4667:HappyCamper 4628:Superm401's 4395:HappyCamper 4292:HappyCamper 4262:HappyCamper 4173:HappyCamper 4123:HappyCamper 4091:HappyCamper 4065:HappyCamper 4018:HappyCamper 3968:HappyCamper 3907:HappyCamper 3841:alteripse's 3811:alteripse's 3792:HappyCamper 3736:HappyCamper 3627:HappyCamper 3608:HappyCamper 3550:HappyCamper 3536:HappyCamper 3513:HappyCamper 3470:HappyCamper 3459:as well. -- 3448:HappyCamper 3361:HappyCamper 3341:HappyCamper 3310:HappyCamper 3297:HappyCamper 3264:HappyCamper 3255:HappyCamper 3222:HappyCamper 3215:HappyCamper 3173:HappyCamper 3153:HappyCamper 3117:HappyCamper 3055:HappyCamper 3042:HappyCamper 3022:HappyCamper 2949:HappyCamper 2930:HappyCamper 2904:HappyCamper 2879:HappyCamper 2862:HappyCamper 2808:HappyCamper 2781:HappyCamper 2732:HappyCamper 2680:HappyCamper 2639:HappyCamper 2572:HappyCamper 2536:HappyCamper 2513:HappyCamper 2496:HappyCamper 2469:HappyCamper 2369:HappyCamper 2318:HappyCamper 2289:Ground Zero 2203:Ground Zero 2140:Ground Zero 2127:along with 2075:Ground Zero 2023:selection. 2013:how to edit 1992:HappyCamper 1819:HappyCamper 1808:HappyCamper 1757:HappyCamper 1648:HappyCamper 1504:HappyCamper 1462:HappyCamper 1415:HappyCamper 1312:HappyCamper 1288:HappyCamper 1244:HappyCamper 1197:HappyCamper 1180:User:Ghakko 1080:HappyCamper 848:HappyCamper 811:HappyCamper 750:HappyCamper 728:HappyCamper 656:HappyCamper 625:HappyCamper 555:HappyCamper 508:HappyCamper 309:Pop culture 277:User:Ghakko 132:HappyCamper 119:HappyCamper 109:HappyCamper 36:This is an 4804:I for one 4772:minor edit 4766:Very nice 4456:Navigation 4351:Dear Diary 4314:, are you 4227:Protection 4033:Loganberry 3843:proposal? 3455:I created 3442:shortcut ( 3428:WP:RD/MISC 3422:shortcut ( 3407:shortcut ( 3398:WP:RD/LANG 3392:shortcut ( 3381:shortcut ( 3190:To do list 1592:EnSamulili 1381:EnSamulili 892:Humanities 843:definitely 777:Concern #1 546:subsection 339:Technology 319:Humanities 95:Archive 10 5130:Main Page 5126:Main Page 5091:Superm401 5063:Wiki help 5036:Superm401 5008:Superm401 4947:Superm401 4882:Superm401 4834:Superm401 4748:- you're 4708:Superm401 4659:Superm401 4648:Superm401 4593:Superm401 4501:Superm401 4463:Superm401 4254:WP:RD/ALL 4049:Superm401 3899:WP:RD/ALL 3788:WP:RD/ALL 3721:alteripse 3444:WP:RD/ALL 3413:WP:RD/SCI 3326:Superm401 3285:Superm401 3244:Superm401 3203:Superm401 3162:Superm401 3142:Superm401 3131:Superm401 3065:Superm401 3031:Superm401 3010:Superm401 2989:Superm401 2973:Superm401 2794:Superm401 2693:Superm401 2361:Superm401 2348:Superm401 2171:Nowhither 1971:Superm401 1946:Fixed. -- 1937:Superm401 1921:Superm401 1850:remedies. 1828:Superm401 1795:Superm401 1688:Fixed. -- 1671:links do 1562:Fixed by 1447:manage... 1408:bodnotbod 87:Archive 6 82:Archive 5 76:Archive 4 70:Archive 3 65:Archive 2 60:Archive 1 5061:between 4940:but for 4669:? Help! 4475:sideways 4355:initials 3826:Agreed. 3544:Feedback 3530:English. 3483:Shimgray 1788:Refiling 1769:JackofOz 1515:Bad link 1329:Shortcut 694:Homework 329:Medicine 268:and the 180:User:Gdr 3895:WP:RD/A 3457:WP:RD/A 3441:--: --> 3424:WP:RD/M 3421:--: --> 3409:WP:RD/S 3406:--: --> 3394:WP:RD/L 3391:--: --> 3383:WP:RD/H 3380:--: --> 2947:Done -- 2837:Robmods 2340:TOCleft 2036:Thanks 1337:WP:RD/H 1137:Zeborah 897:Science 887:History 767:clearly 683:Zeborah 573:Ilγαηερ 334:Science 314:History 39:archive 5184:hydnjo 5138:hydnjo 5075:hydnjo 5027:R.Koot 4988:hydnjo 4905:R.Koot 4849:hydnjo 4845:sooooo 4822:hydnjo 4818:please 4816:. And 4793:R.Koot 4780:hydnjo 4768:R.Koot 4746:R.Koot 4692:hydnjo 4683:R.Koot 4671:hydnjo 4663:R.Koot 4636:hydnjo 4577:hydnjo 4573:that's 4544:R.Koot 4520:hydnjo 4487:hydnjo 4442:hydnjo 4418:hydnjo 4324:hydnjo 4322:? ;-) 4316:trying 4275:R.Koot 4199:R.Koot 4186:R.Koot 4156:Menchi 3998:hydnjo 3933:hydnjo 3845:hydnjo 3815:hydnjo 3766:WP:VfD 3636:hydnjo 3617:R.Koot 3596:hydnjo 3588:really 3461:R.Koot 2963:R.Koot 2917:R.Koot 2851:Reisio 2753:hydnjo 2715:R.Koot 2697:hydnjo 2670:R.Koot 2627:hydnjo 2598:R.Koot 2550:R.Koot 2523:R.Koot 2483:R.Koot 2445:hydnjo 2420:R.Koot 2396:hydnjo 2378:hydnjo 2333:CesarB 2305:hydnjo 2152:StuRat 2097:Graham 2046:hydnjo 2038:R.Koot 2025:hydnjo 1982:R.Koot 1948:R.Koot 1909:R.Koot 1900:R.Koot 1896:Fixed. 1877:R.Koot 1857:R.Koot 1779:R.Koot 1744:R.Koot 1727:hydnjo 1703:hydnjo 1690:R.Koot 1677:hydnjo 1627:R.Koot 1606:R.Koot 1572:hydnjo 1564:R.Koot 1547:hydnjo 1529:hydnjo 1482:CVaneg 1433:Taxman 1391:R.Koot 1230:R.Koot 1170:WP:RFC 739:Reisio 669:Reisio 644:Jmabel 602:Reisio 578:(Tαlκ) 534:Reisio 5122:WP:AQ 5087:WP:AQ 5004:WP:AQ 4980:WP:AQ 4976:WP:RD 4589:WP:RD 4498:: --> 4258:WP:RD 4249:WP:RD 3837:stale 3320:What 3240:every 2266:equal 2264:have 2226:IINAG 2188:still 2110:IINAG 1475:Icons 1361:AlMac 1269:Proto 902:Other 803:okay. 344:Other 324:Music 207:Proto 16:< 5187:talk 5141:talk 5134:some 5095:Talk 5078:talk 5069:and 5040:Talk 5025:. -- 5012:Talk 4991:talk 4982:and 4951:Talk 4903:. -- 4899:and 4886:Talk 4852:talk 4838:Talk 4825:talk 4806:love 4783:talk 4712:Talk 4695:talk 4674:talk 4652:Talk 4639:talk 4632:only 4597:Talk 4580:talk 4569:only 4567:The 4523:talk 4505:Talk 4490:talk 4483:down 4467:Talk 4445:talk 4421:talk 4385:Now 4327:talk 4076:Wow! 4053:Talk 4037:Talk 4001:talk 3936:talk 3905:. -- 3861:Talk 3848:talk 3818:talk 3770:jguk 3694:Talk 3653:Talk 3639:talk 3599:talk 3446:) -- 3330:Talk 3289:Talk 3248:Talk 3207:Talk 3166:Talk 3146:Talk 3135:Talk 3069:Talk 3035:Talk 3014:Talk 2993:Talk 2977:Talk 2849:. ¦ 2798:Talk 2756:talk 2700:talk 2691:Hey 2630:talk 2481:. -- 2448:talk 2399:talk 2381:talk 2352:Talk 2308:talk 2260:and 2131:and 2123:the 2049:talk 2042:Post 2028:talk 2021:Post 1975:Talk 1941:Talk 1925:Talk 1832:Talk 1799:Talk 1730:talk 1723:talk 1706:talk 1680:talk 1669:Post 1667:The 1615:mark 1604:. -- 1575:talk 1550:talk 1532:talk 1492:mark 1298:mark 1156:own. 956:post 951:post 946:post 941:post 936:post 648:Talk 441:post 436:post 431:post 426:post 421:post 416:post 411:post 406:post 401:post 264:The 257:and 243:Talk 197:Talk 162:Talk 5216:Jay 4986:. 4776:not 4389:is 3897:or 3592:All 3426:or 3411:or 3396:or 2441:own 2221:was 2213:and 1673:not 1570:. 1545:. 5173:-- 5093:| 5065:, 5038:| 5010:| 4949:| 4884:| 4836:| 4750:so 4710:| 4665:? 4661:? 4650:| 4595:| 4591:. 4503:| 4479:up 4465:| 4431:CG 4391:HC 4312:HC 4241:CG 4239:. 4216:CG 4147:CG 4145:-- 4108:CG 4083:CG 4063:-- 4051:| 4039:) 3859:| 3692:| 3651:| 3625:-- 3562:ᓛᖁ 3359:-- 3328:| 3322:is 3295:-- 3287:| 3246:| 3220:-- 3205:| 3164:| 3144:| 3133:| 3067:| 3033:| 3012:| 2991:| 2975:| 2796:| 2350:| 2343:}} 2337:{{ 2280:, 2276:, 2272:, 2201:. 2166:do 2086:) 2040:. 1990:-- 1973:| 1939:| 1935:. 1923:| 1898:-- 1830:| 1806:-- 1797:| 1527:. 1480:-- 1259:A 1228:-- 1184:CG 1028:CG 828:CG 771:CG 712:) 646:| 623:-- 616:CG 553:-- 500:CG 241:| 195:| 184:— 160:| 149:— 91:→ 4104:? 4035:( 3574:ᑐ 3560:‣ 3430:) 3415:) 3400:) 3385:) 1890:. 1618:✎ 1495:✎ 1363:| 1301:✎ 1276:c 1273:t 710:c 708:/ 706:t 704:( 701:N 550:3 214:c 211:t 192:P 189:I 186:J 157:P 154:I 151:J 50:.

Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.

Knowledge

talk:Reference desk/Archive 4 - Knowledge

Index