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not going to be any easy 'crat chat to close. Having watched several of these over the past three years, I would not get too emotionally involved either way. There really are two sides to this story, and waging rhetorical trench warfare -- either for or against the candidate -- only raises the temperature without shedding any additional light. Hawkeye is neither the Great Satan nor a
Messenger of Light; he's been proven to be eminently human. Regardless of the outcome, I think it's important to keep in mind that the candidate has been a great contributor, and I personally hate to see a good contributor get rhetorically shredded, regardless of any past mistakes he's made. Many "oppose" voters still need to learn to voice their concerns without demonizing a good, but flawed candidate; many "support" voters still need to learn to deal properly with the more over-the-top "oppose" comments.
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ended up answering the questions nobly, I think, but they appeared to me as if meant to extract something more than information. And per the first reaction, if he answers them well, he is still damned. In other words, there is no way out. Perhaps we should see candidates without prejudice until proven clearly guilty. In regards to your question specifically, I have read those comments at the time they were written, and have also felt them offensive, shrewdly so. Now we know that they were ordered to be deleted, which shows, once more, the need for AGF. The idea of examining an RFA candidacy in public is not to enthrone us inquisitors craving for personal faults (
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will be dominated by an interpersonal dispute between two people who don't like each other's tone of voice. How does that help to decide whether
Hawkeye should be an admin? Think of this more like a meeting in meatspace; those present could ask questions and offer comments, and there would be an impartial chair to ensure that the discussion stays on-topic and doesn't descend into bickering—to that end, our hypothetical chair (the bureaucrats) would intervene when things were getting bogged down or when things started to get personal, perhaps reminding participants to conduct themselves with proper decorum or having inappropriate remarks struck from the minutes.
2151:. I agree that it isn't crystal clear, but since those sentences can be read without logical contortions to be general statements on RfX and not an attack on any opiner, I let them stand for now. Over time, and with feedback, perhaps that will change. What I do want to ensure is that you and everyone understand I am not intentionally being capricious or negligent, but have a rationale for what I am trying to do. Being human, though, I'm cannot guarantee perfect consistency and I do appreciate being directed to areas where it may appear that I was inconsistent so I can either explain or correct my actions. Thanks! --
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Nevertheless, as you suggested, there should be other ways to make this process less rancorous and painful. In fact, we should take it on our hands and make it happen. Voting without debate, however, is no true election. I value the votes cast accompanied by a personal shrewd logic, and read carefully what others write in the discussion section. The debates should continue, but in a way that would not leave a trail of rancour and resentment behind. Perhaps anonymous debates, or other forms of moderated interaction. Technology is on our side if we use it wisely. 2₵.
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is useful, given that almost every RFA tends to have trolls, incorrigible admin-haters, and troublemaking users with a block log not fitting in a single sheet of paper (when printed with small font) among the voters. Using some "editor quality" screen to select only some subset of "good" editors and recalculating the percentages helps downweight any trolls. Maybe a better editor quality metric, ideally a multi-factor model, than just the single admin bit could be used for this kind of analysis.
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2993:. My opinion is that a listed closing time is mandatory for each and every one and don't require any superpower for being enforced. Nobody will ever know how many people, of any opinion, turned back and didn't registered their !vote when seeing it was too late ? Now, the Request for Adminship is formally on hold, as it should have been from the listed closing time. But, to be clear, I don't see that piling late !votes will change the result.
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RfC in question was adopted with a super-majority of 74 to 31, or 71%. That's about as solid a "consensus" as I have ever seen for proposed RfA reforms, ergo, the 65 to 74.99% discretionary range is operative, and the practical implication for
Hawkeye's pending RfA is that the outcome will be decided by a 'crat chat. Moreover, I have no idea what he means by "missing oppose voters."
899:- in fact, got gangboomeranged. And I was asking for it by not researching my options better, and seeking consensus (although later attempts to be a good wikipedia editor and engage that editor in discussion on a different issue where the project's guidance was pretty clearly opposed to her position weren't as productive as I'd hoped - but at least everyone was civil this time).
2028:). I did not intend to predict, but I commented above about how at the end of potentially contentious nominations the tendency was for the discourse to degenerate. I enjoy an honest and sincere debate that is also respectful. The challenge is to create an atmosphere conducive to such a balance among so diverse crowd of people who live away of each other (mostly).
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What is the "2/3 boundary"? I had always heard that anything between 70-75% was bureaucrat's discretion, while almost anything below that was a "no consensus." Also, why does the percentage among admins even matter? Do they have some kind of "supervote" that's worth 25% more than us regular editors?
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That attack was pretty obvious. The person questioned the motives of almost every opposer. I'm not sure how it isn't a personal attack, but you've got the 'crat bit, so it's your view that matters. You did that in another area, where MurderByDeletionism was questioning motives. I think it's important
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At the point when a bureaucrat was substantially altering the meaning of a comment or removing comments they personally disagreed with, that would be a problem, and would result in an outcry. Removing fuel from a potential heat source is just good housekeeping, and allows us to get on with the matter
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I, for one, am delighted to see the crats finally step in and become more involved in RfAs. I would also note that in addition to the clear support for crat clerking voiced in the
Clerking RfC, several participants noted that they believed improper !votes should be dealt with by crats, so there seems
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I couldn't find his name on the list of Crats, so I've reverted his attempts to effectively strike both the one support and the several opposes that have come since the listed closing time. My understanding is that time isn't hard and fast, so I think my revert is correct, and his attempt to end the
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by adjusting the lower point from 70% down to 65%. This is one of the first RFAs with the modified range, perhaps even the first where it matters. Bureacrats might find the widening useful here, given the retaliatory motives and misguided reasoning behind some of the
Opposes here. The "admin metric"
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discourse, and I did so in light of the communities clear charge to the bureaucrats. One cannot please everybody all the time, 'tis true, and I am more than welcome to constructive criticism in this regard as well, but if the project asks for clerking from its bureaucrats, please do not be surprised
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Hallward, certain rationales among the "opposes" are personalized and easily lend themselves to being characterized as "vindictive" or grudge-based. Most of the "opposes," however, simply express reasonable concerns about the candidate's history. I don't relish the crats' jobs on this one -- it's
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And now, the first comment posted to the crat chat (other than Avi's administrative notes) is an immediate impugning of the opposers' motives. I hold out almost no hope that this discussion will lead to anything other than promotion for an admin that was previously deadminned for misusing the block
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Wow. So I could say that "A successful RfA based on thinly masked attempts to obfuscate and dissemble regarding the candidate's editing and adminning history would not not send a positive message to newcomers. !voters should focus on the candidate's poor record as an admin and editor rather than on
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As I see the debate(s) develop with time, I am starting to think that the reform's mandate is harder to achieve. The Q&A section can be so easily highjacked by dislikers and enablers. As someone until recently neutral, but still an outsider (have not worked with the candidate and have no direct
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The RfC was clear that we were requested to make more of an effort to actively ensure the smooth running of RfC, including its tone. My intention is not to censor anyone's intent, and I do not think I have. I specifically did not refactor or restate anyone comments—to the point that someone pointed
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separate hypothetical RFPP requests. All these are placed under one question, but it appears to me that this is really eight questions in disguise. We discussed this problem in the RfC; it was never fully settled, but I recall that there seemed to be general agreement that such questions should not
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Hallward, I suppose he's free to draw attention to whatever he wants, but as someone who holds undergraduate and graduate degrees in economics -- with a heavy emphasis on mathematical and statistical methodology -- I'm still trying to understand his point regarding the 2/3 (66.67%) threshold. The
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I don't think it's more than one question. It's a single question about page protection with multiple examples. There is no rule against a single question having multiple examples listed. But if the applicant believes that it is more than one question they should ignore explaining the reason why.
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Nonsense. Change of discretionary range totally doesn't translate into some 66.66% "not now" line, nor is there any policy that suggests giving special attention to voting patterns among the "elite" editors. That said, I have no personal opinion whether promotion is justified or not, as I haven't
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I'm not sure which type of tactics you're referring to. I understand the point that this isn't strictly double jeopardy, though I want to note that most current admins gained their tools within 4 years of their first edit to
Knowledge (XXG). I can understand those who oppose this RfA based on bad
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Ched, thanks for writing. But in no way I am accusing you or anybody of wrongdoing. That's not for me to decide. But I can tell you that I think I will not return to this page unless pinged. The tenor of questions and some comments is becoming increasingly acrimonious--vulture-like. The candidate
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I don't understand why you object to the removal of off-topic, overly personal, or inflammatory comments. Those sorts of things only serve to degrade the quality of the discussion—much as we all like to think we don't let these things get to us, eventually someone will rise to it an the whole RfA
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RfAs cannot be closed solely because of a "misleading" nomination statement. Nominators are obviously not neutral, and the whole point of writing a nom statement is to promote the candidate. It is the job of participants to investigate the candidate on their own and decide if they can be trusted.
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This nomination implies that
Hawkeye's problematic history is not a problem, since he doesn't intend to do much outside certain fields. There is no "partial adminship" on Knowledge (XXG), ergo the nomination is misleading. This proposal should be closed on procedural reasons, and only be reopened
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I have a question: which weighting factors do you have in mind? I just ask, because changing the existing criteria for inviting editors to vote in RfAs seems like a policy we currently invited editors would have to vote on. Perhaps I'm wrong on that, and it's a prerogative of the 'crats. I just
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I started as "neutral", when I almost always support RFA candidates who are also good editors. I moved first to a "regretful" oppose, and as I read more of
Hawkeye7's answers (which I viewed as less than straightforward) to a "strong oppose." In my view, resysops of previously deadminned editors
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This is the first time I get involved in a RfA, but I have been reading previous cases and have noticed that things can get messier at the end. There is something about "running out of time" that often make people drop their polite manners for expediency. Hopefully, it will not happen this time.
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In my opinion, if you really were concerned about how the RfA was being handled, and the candidate's record, then yes. You could say that you felt that an RfA in which supports or opposes were thinly masked attacks or the like is distinctly unhelpful, and that you request or imply that everyone
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Rubbish computer, the whole point is that people can game the two-question limit by asking a multi-part question under the guise of one question. In this case, we feel that by requesting answers for so many different hypothetical situations (eight, to be exact), the "one question" becomes eight
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This is the first time I (and possibly any 'crat) am trying to be active as clerks based on the RfC, and so there will be growing pains. My decisions for this RfA are predicated on my trying to be as unobtrusive as possible and to err to AGF if the attacks are not obvious. Thus my decision. --
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Firstly, to be clear, just because English Knowledge (XXG) committed gross negligence by giving me a 'crat bit does not mean that I have any more weight in these decisions. I appreciate your feedback, and the way the first few RfXs are clerked, and the feedback obtained, will help shape our
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Per recent RfC regarding RfA reform, the crats' discretionary range is now 65 to 74.99%, not 70 to 79.99%, as it was previously. That said, like Hallward, I would like an explanation of what this graph and the cryptic "missing opponents" message above are supposed to mean.
2444:" (your emphasis) was 32 days ago. Many of the "last year" opposing diffs are from October 2015, which is less than 4 months ago. Some of the opposition is due to the responses (or lack thereof) to this very RfA. The "double jeopardy" issue is something I would consider a
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I am a relative newbie also. However, I think there must be a better way than editing (cough cough censoring). Editing another's talk page comments in my experience gets a threatened block if not the actual block. Ah but when it suits the bureaucracy it is okay?
3136:, this seems over the facts: closing a Request for Adminship is not saying that voting period is over, it is proclaming the result. It was obviously in the discretionary zone (and I have not even stated that). But let's wait for, and follow, the ruling at
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sections, and not in only one of them. You know, there are people that really think that a written, contractual, clause is written and contractual. As an afterthought, I must admit that, to be totally fair, I should have added the same comment in the
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The majority of participants have made their point, and even noted their disagreement with opposing arguments, in a respectful manner without making the discussion personal or casting aspersions. Is there any reason the remainder can't do the same?
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for stepping up and doing the clerking you have on this occasion. Just one suggestion for the future: it helps if some context can be copied here as well as the removed comments. For example, one of the sections on this page begins with "First -
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the crats to continue doing what the broader community so clearly wants them to do. We can't afford to reverse all the good progress we're making to turn RfA into a better place. There will, of course, be those who oppose it, but in the end it's
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should require a supermajority, particularly when the deadminning was for misuse of the most powerful button with which admins are trusted. And supports for such candidates should have to be just as well-reasoned as we expect opposes to be.
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answerable to the establishment, it's the community that gives them this mandate, and it's the community that watches and ensures they're doing it properly. That's why I left a comment on Avi's talk page about an action of theirs.
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The nominator's statement is taken as their personal opinion on the matter -- not the universal truth. Every statement is open to interpretation and we wouldn't close it based upon another single person's interpretation either.
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involve digging deeply into the candidate's actions, motives, etc. (which you liken to an inquisition). Nothing less will do when the community is considering giving the tools back to someone who previously misused them.
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when you have previously voted in this RfA was extremely out of line. Doing so in any consensus building discussion on Knowledge (XXG) is quite wrong. This is quite ensconced in Knowledge (XXG) practice. For example, see
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tl:dr - I don't like manipulation, and I don't like being painted with a broad brush. Elaborating further would entail my using unflattering terminology that I've so far avoided. If you still have questions though - I
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I don't understand why this RfA was linked. The entirety of Knowledge (XXG) (which is the linked intent of the template) does not need to be notify and this is very excessive. This RfA should be removed from template.
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I haven't been able to decide whether it makes it better or worse that the same eight questions have been asked verbatim on every recent RFA that mentions RFPP, and that most of them really only have one right answer.
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I'm struggling to find any other way to read that quoted portion as doing anything other than impugning the motives of people who do not support Hawkeye7's candidacy. But like I mentioned above, to each their own.
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Oh my. Ask a few questions get a few thinly veiled threats. On my talk page: "I would just like to ask: do you have any alternative clean-start or hidden accounts? Esquivalience t 02:27, 28 January 2016(UTC)"
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Given how much the opposers have had our motives attacked and maligned, I won't be surprised if this RFA ends with promotion, even given the very serious (and real) concerns raised in the oppose section.
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While the individual RfA page proper is considered a discussion, I also don't feel that badgering anyone for their views is in good taste. That said, I do think that the addendum to the answer of Q-22 by
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Relatively easy answer: a real secret ballot with a talk page discussion (a la Arbcomm). Though the little censor/clerk running thru and making polite all the comments might be harder to justify?
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poor mis-characterization of what Silk actually stated in his oppose (vote #34 at the time of this post). I wanted to state my view publicly as if further cements my own rational for opposing. —
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I would say sure, but it may lead to confusion with Halward's answers, so may I suggest instead of overwriting, striking out your text (and any of my interruptions), and rewriting underneath. --
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I asked impartiality in reading my comments so they would not be taken as partisan. I am not desperate at all. The outcome will not affect me, but the way the candidate is evaluated will.
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To be fair, the type of bureaucrat clerking authorized by the RfC is limited; it does not explicitly permit editing or significant refactoring of others' comments (see
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This is going to get me in trouble but I do not like that word..or abstraction...the "community". Has a Stalinist edge to it. (Note: the user did not invoke Hitler.)
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separate ones. It doesn't matter that all these effectively eight separate questions are placed under one number; it's the content, and not the number, that matters.
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Well, the first point is that I've never interacted with you before. And the second point is that after your oppose vote on this adminship you just happened
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I am an editor, just like you. And you probably need to step away from the keyboard. Your wild accusations are completely out of line and need to stop.
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Thanks for the re-explanation. Last month: I am reminded of the urge to ameliorate the abrasiveness of the process and the need for broader inclusion.
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I said when that (talk page edits) happens it is a no-no. Here we have "voters" in this RfA having their comments edited. Is it not at least the same?
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obfuscating and dissembling"? Because, to me, that seems like a clear personal attack. Just like the majority of the text of this !vote did.
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Oh. Should we start updating it manually, like we used to? Or maybe just remove the counter, for as long as it's misleading? I dunno.
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to have an "all sides" discussion without having one side questioning the motives of the other over and over. I'll leave it at that.
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Oh damn. As a metonymy? My long dead latin teacher would be upset at me. The font you used is certainly not a part of you.
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Move discussions not germane to the candidacy here, then link them with
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fyi - Thanks for upgrading the Wendy Barrie-Wilson article.
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106:Statistics
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552:Comment
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