Knowledge (XXG)

talk:Requests for arbitration/Paranormal/Workshop - Knowledge (XXG)

Source 📝

350:
paranormal without getting specific (like what's there now). I'd love to see the paranormal article expanded to have brief summaries of other general ideas, like of how science sees the paranormal, some statistics on paranormal commerce (book industry, conventions, etc), and so on. These are all general things about paranormal pop culture that wouldn't look right as a list of links. There should at least be basic summaries before a link to a main article. If I'm understanding
759:
I know I'm a party in this ArbCom, but I need to take a few days/weeks off for real-world projects. Sorry for any inconvenience. Please consider anything after this timestamp to neither be endorsed nor rejected by me personally. If anyone needs me to respond to anything, please drop a note on my talk
295:
That's a pretty fair assessment. I don't know how it can demarcate what is and isn't paranormal any better. It's mostly just an adjective. How would you demarcate the adjective "extraordinary" to any narrow extent? Most dictionaries agree that paranormal means something unexplainable by science, like
519:
And in these universities, talking to the average philosopher of science is like talking to a scientist (who can't add). It really is that straightforward. Maybe some day philosophers will try to move things with their minds and consult the stars on what to have for dinner, but the ones who do today
349:
I don't really care for those types of pages because they seem lazy. Might as well be a category page, and if a category why not just a redirect to the category? I think that would be a disservice to the article, though, because I think there are some notable ideas that are generally applied to the
483:
analytic. Some programs are more accommodating to Continental stuff, but most have only one or two token faculty positions open to it (for "diversity"). My own program has a single, underpaid adjunct teaching non-analytic material (I'm not sure if he does any research). He doesn't even get his own
513:
the University of California campuses, most of the top liberal arts colleges, most of the flagship campuses of the second-tier state research universities boast philosophy departments that overwhelmingly self-identify as "analytic": it is hard to imagine a "movement" that is more academically and
825:
and points out that these results have not been accepted by mainstream science. This is mentioned clearly in several places. The bulk of the article approaches parapsychology from a historical perspective. While the revision was mostly made to cleanup the horrible state it was in, it was written
474:
Yes, most scientists regard Freudian theory to be pseudoscientific. Psychoanalysis is now mainly of historical interest (but it does have a few devotees still breathing). And as someone who is destined to be permanently embedded in academia, I can tell you that in the Anglophonic philosophical
49:
I was wondering if the paranormal enthusiasts participating in this RfArb might consider ceasing to identify the targets of their critiques as a single group called the "skeptics." There really is no coherent body here standing in defiant opposition to paranormal truths. I hadn't even heard of
141:
I'd like to see some input from an Arbcom member on whether this is just about user conduct or if it is also about other issues. If it's just about user conduct, much of what I've added can be removed, though some of it involves what is and isn't POV, and that might be related to user conduct
550:
is the mainstream philosophy of science. However, as an encyclopedia we need to have a global view. The Continental rationalistic philosophy may prevail in European continent (although I don't know). The realm of philosophy is extremely diverse,
113:
Agree. Long, passionate diatribes and speculative semantic excursions are unhelpful to the Arbcom members. If there are diffs that show examples of nonconsensus POV-pushing and refusal to acknowledge WP:V, they should be posted. -
103:
Just my opinion, but it seems heavy on discussion and light on evidence. Even on the evidence page, in some sections there are long paragraphs making accusations with few diffs showing examples of the alleged behaviour.
576:—are held in English (though some papers are read in languages other than English). A non-Anglophone philosopher "goes international" when he or she gets published in a prominent English-language journal. It's simply the 123:
I am of the opinion that refactoring may be in order and I'm particularly unimpressed with certain uninvolved editors involving themselves here. However, I'd like to see an arbitrator or a clerk do this.
191:
Issues overall seem to be an overlapping mix of conduct, content, and interpretation of WP policy. Considering that article stability is a goal, we might consider requesting that some articles be put on
826:
taking into account this arbitration and its progress thus far. I'm hoping the arbitration will consider the updated version in its findings, especially in the principles dealing with parapsychology. --
812:
article has been drastically revised, partly to make it more stable and reduce edit conflicts, and partly to address some of the concerns and points made in this arbitration. It accurately reflects the
30:
Gah, this page is filling up fast and I don't have the time to read it all. For the record, if I miss something or don't respond to something right away, that doesn't imply that I support or oppose it.
167: 228:
Generally speaking, all head articles for entire fields are rather bad on Knowledge (XXG) (compared to their importance and to good encyclopedias), in my not so humble opinione this applies to
461:'s analytic philosophy. Each philosophy of science has different ideas. Off topic, I haven't learned Fourier series yet, but I guess all those individuals I mentioned above can calculate 21: 239:
My favorite complaint: We have a lot of dedicated navigation mechanisms (lists, categories, navboxes, portals) -- why haunt the main article with tons of textless wikilinks.
612:? In my knowledge Hegel was pretty influential in philosophy as well. Anyways, the nihilism one was off-topic, and no, those "anarchist" kid don't even know what nihil is. 324:
directing the reader to more specific articles or a pseudo-disambig (briefly discussing the word usage and linking to more specific articles), like the (not that great)
861: 744:
can a clerk please refactor out the rampant voting? it's a mockery of the arbitration process, in my opinion as an uninvolved (as far as i know) user. --
17: 394:, but talking to the average philosopher of science today is like talking to the average scientist (except the philosopher probably can't calculate 688:
Hey Simoes thanks for the information. For years I thought Hegel was a crucial figure in philosophical history, I thought that when I see it took
621:
You can go through 12 years of formal philosophical training (my own continued fate) without reading a word of Hegel. The same can't be said for
781: 855: 760:
page or send me an email as I probably won't be reading through everything posted here. Thanks and sorry I couldn't stick it out.
961: 938: 910: 896: 834: 795: 770: 748: 719: 696: 683: 616: 603: 563: 538: 469: 424: 365: 332: 307: 286: 222: 200: 193: 181: 153: 128: 118: 108: 97: 83: 39: 713: 677: 597: 573: 532: 418: 77: 879: 457:(which I think that's what you think it's "mainstream philosophy of science", but there is no way to see if it is) or 58:" users self-identifies as a skeptic when discussing articles. It thus smacks of a pejorative usage in this context. 867: 585:
Oh, and "nihilism" is something teenagers write in red on their black backpacks (right below the anarchy sign).
210:
On a sidenote (as in not part of the arbitration to my knowledge), I was wondering what editors thought of the
54:
until someone mentioned it during Martinphi's RfC. More importantly, I do not believe anyone disagreeing with "
849: 650: 387: 296:
an anomaly, but in practice it's also meant to describe something spooky. That's still a pretty broad area.
844: 701:
Kierkegaard's works are only slightly more read than Hegel's in contemporary philosophy departments. ;)
383: 125: 321: 821:(without rebuttal). It does present notable parapsychological research, but is completely framed as a 814: 790: 51: 893: 745: 662: 634: 630: 547: 488: 391: 386:
is lockstep with the general mentality of mainstream science. There are some notable critics of
582:
of philosophy, and the present movement in philosophy of science is as I've described it above.
402:
things like astrology, the paranormal, freudian psychoanalysis, etc. are pseudoscientific, not
689: 273: 105: 954: 658: 907: 785: 197: 115: 479:
philosophical world outside of a few trendy Parisian cafés—professional philosophers are
822: 809: 801: 784:? It is claimed to be copyrighted and fair use, but I'm unclear on how this applies. -- 622: 544: 442: 434: 395: 932: 828: 764: 646: 638: 578: 462: 450: 438: 430: 359: 301: 216: 175: 147: 33: 437:
is pretty solid. For philosophy of science, depend on whether you are talking about
817:
against parapsychology, and presents criticism from such mainstream periodicals as
495: 492: 446: 329: 283: 269: 94: 703: 667: 642: 626: 609: 587: 522: 458: 408: 67: 906:(nonconsensus removal of material). Looks like another straw man sockpuppet. - 693: 654: 613: 560: 466: 454: 317: 277: 262: 244: 229: 211: 325: 265:, both suffer from a demarcation problem, which is unsolved in the article. 61:
Needless to say, Davkal's choice to call users with whom he disagrees the "
552: 351: 313: 240: 233: 924: 170:
is huge and isn't just about user conduct. Any insight Arbcom guys?
920: 312:
If correlating the word "paranormal" to a specific subjects looks
572:
philosophical world. All international conferences—including the
608:
So positivism and analytic philosophy is the dominant? Where is
520:
are sent next door to the psychology department for evaluation.
214:
article? POV, NPOV, good coverage, needs more coverage, etc? --
168:
Knowledge (XXG):Requests_for_arbitration/Pseudoscience/Evidence
93:
More than 170k of text before any ArbCom has even commented. --
903: 885: 873: 62: 55: 89:
Is this the way the Workshop page is intended to work?
782:
Image:(c)2006aaevp-concerns with wikipedia small.jpg
776:
Image:(c)2006aaevp-concerns with wikipedia small.jpg
568:
Like I said, the Anglophonic philosophical world is
514:
professionally entrenched than analytic philosophy.
780:Can someone please clarify the copyright status of 398:;) ). The philosophical controversy that exists is 65:" is even worse. Please don't do that, either. 543:Well, I agree that in English-speaking world, 354:correctly, like vaporous, I don't think it is. 18:Knowledge (XXG) talk:Requests for arbitration 8: 509:the leading state research universities, 261:Further, The Paranormal, and the article 555:even outrightly rejects both scientific 433:is a pseudoscience? As far as I know 7: 919:Is that a typo or is it really P - 243:has two blue monster tables of and 949:Yes, This person can't even spell 28: 378:Mainstream philosophy of science 390:and certain details of various 52:Wikiproject Rational Skepticism 1: 505:the Ivy League universities, 574:World Congress of Philosophy 258:Sorry for the nitpicking ;-) 980: 720:22:19, 29 April 2007 (UTC) 697:22:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC) 684:20:56, 29 April 2007 (UTC) 617:20:42, 29 April 2007 (UTC) 604:20:35, 29 April 2007 (UTC) 564:20:25, 29 April 2007 (UTC) 559:non-scientific concepts. 539:20:06, 29 April 2007 (UTC) 470:19:37, 29 April 2007 (UTC) 425:19:25, 29 April 2007 (UTC) 366:19:15, 27 April 2007 (UTC) 333:18:50, 27 April 2007 (UTC) 308:17:13, 27 April 2007 (UTC) 287:07:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC) 223:04:50, 27 April 2007 (UTC) 201:01:46, 28 April 2007 (UTC) 182:01:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC) 154:01:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC) 129:00:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC) 119:00:17, 27 April 2007 (UTC) 109:23:52, 26 April 2007 (UTC) 98:23:13, 26 April 2007 (UTC) 84:22:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC) 40:16:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC) 475:world—which is currently 962:02:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC) 939:00:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC) 911:21:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC) 897:20:46, 4 June 2007 (UTC) 835:07:03, 27 May 2007 (UTC) 796:09:36, 23 May 2007 (UTC) 771:05:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC) 749:04:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC) 251:lists, a TV guide and a 553:this kind of philosophy 388:metaphysical naturalism 516: 445:(some of it came from 382:Presently, mainstream 754:Off to see the wizard 690:a great guy I respect 500: 392:demarcation solutions 384:philosophy of science 815:scientific consensus 63:pseudosceptical side 548:analytic philosophy 232:as well as e.g. to 840:Comments, anyone? 794: 692:to refute Hegel. 274:religious studies 194:article probation 971: 958: 935: 892:Just wonderin'. 889: 862:deleted contribs 831: 788: 767: 717: 706: 681: 670: 601: 590: 536: 525: 422: 411: 362: 320:should become a 304: 268:No sources from 219: 178: 150: 126:ScienceApologist 81: 70: 36: 979: 978: 974: 973: 972: 970: 969: 968: 956: 933: 923:- o instead of 847: 842: 829: 806: 778: 765: 756: 742: 716: 710: 704: 680: 674: 668: 600: 594: 588: 535: 529: 523: 421: 415: 409: 380: 360: 302: 280:have been used. 217: 208: 176: 148: 91: 80: 74: 68: 47: 34: 26: 25: 24: 12: 11: 5: 977: 975: 967: 966: 965: 964: 944: 943: 942: 941: 928: 914: 913: 904:trollish edits 894:SheffieldSteel 841: 838: 823:fringe science 810:parapsychology 805: 802:Parapsychology 799: 777: 774: 755: 752: 741: 738: 737: 736: 735: 734: 733: 732: 731: 730: 729: 728: 727: 726: 725: 724: 723: 722: 712: 676: 596: 583: 545:Anglo-American 531: 517: 498: 485: 481:overwhelmingly 443:Thomas Aquinas 435:psychoanalysis 417: 396:Fourier series 379: 376: 375: 374: 373: 372: 371: 370: 369: 368: 355: 340: 339: 338: 337: 336: 335: 297: 290: 289: 281: 266: 259: 256: 237: 207: 204: 189: 188: 187: 186: 185: 184: 171: 166:Of course the 159: 158: 157: 156: 143: 136: 135: 134: 133: 132: 131: 90: 87: 76: 56:pro-paranormal 46: 43: 27: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 976: 963: 960: 959: 952: 948: 947: 946: 945: 940: 937: 936: 929: 926: 922: 918: 917: 916: 915: 912: 909: 905: 902:Consistently 901: 900: 899: 898: 895: 890: 887: 884: 881: 878: 875: 872: 869: 866: 863: 860: 857: 854: 851: 846: 845:Psuedoskeptic 839: 837: 836: 833: 832: 824: 820: 816: 811: 803: 800: 798: 797: 792: 787: 783: 775: 773: 772: 769: 768: 761: 753: 751: 750: 747: 739: 721: 715: 708: 707: 700: 699: 698: 695: 691: 687: 686: 685: 679: 672: 671: 664: 660: 656: 652: 648: 644: 640: 636: 632: 628: 624: 620: 619: 618: 615: 611: 607: 606: 605: 599: 592: 591: 584: 581: 580: 579:lingua franca 575: 571: 567: 566: 565: 562: 558: 554: 549: 546: 542: 541: 540: 534: 527: 526: 518: 515: 512: 508: 504: 499: 496: 494: 490: 486: 482: 478: 473: 472: 471: 468: 464: 463:Taylor series 460: 456: 452: 451:Auguste Comte 449:methods), or 448: 444: 440: 439:scholasticism 436: 432: 431:Sigmund Freud 429: 428: 427: 426: 420: 413: 412: 405: 401: 397: 393: 389: 385: 377: 367: 364: 363: 356: 353: 348: 347: 346: 345: 344: 343: 342: 341: 334: 331: 327: 326:de:Paranormal 323: 319: 315: 311: 310: 309: 306: 305: 298: 294: 293: 292: 291: 288: 285: 282: 279: 275: 271: 267: 264: 260: 257: 254: 250: 246: 242: 238: 235: 231: 227: 226: 225: 224: 221: 220: 213: 205: 203: 202: 199: 195: 183: 180: 179: 172: 169: 165: 164: 163: 162: 161: 160: 155: 152: 151: 144: 140: 139: 138: 137: 130: 127: 122: 121: 120: 117: 112: 111: 110: 107: 102: 101: 100: 99: 96: 88: 86: 85: 79: 72: 71: 64: 59: 57: 53: 44: 42: 41: 38: 37: 23: 19: 955: 950: 931: 891: 882: 876: 870: 864: 858: 852: 843: 827: 818: 807: 779: 763: 758: 757: 743: 702: 666: 663:Wittgenstein 586: 577: 569: 556: 521: 510: 506: 502: 501: 493:Brian Leiter 480: 476: 447:Aristotelian 407: 403: 399: 381: 358: 300: 270:anthropology 252: 248: 215: 209: 190: 174: 146: 106:Minderbinder 92: 66: 60: 48: 32: 29: 957:Wikidudeman 610:Hegelianism 459:Karl Popper 953:correctly. 908:LuckyLouie 880:block user 874:filter log 786:Strangerer 455:positivism 406:they are. 318:Paranormal 278:psychiatry 263:Paranormal 245:Paranormal 230:Paranormal 212:paranormal 198:LuckyLouie 116:LuckyLouie 22:Paranormal 886:block log 746:Random832 934:Nealparr 856:contribs 830:Nealparr 766:Nealparr 714:contribs 678:contribs 598:contribs 533:contribs 419:contribs 361:Nealparr 352:quixotic 322:disambig 314:quixotic 303:Nealparr 253:see also 249:subjects 218:Nealparr 206:Sidenote 177:Nealparr 149:Nealparr 78:contribs 45:Skeptics 35:Nealparr 20:‎ | 804:rewrite 659:Russell 623:Dennett 484:office. 404:whether 330:Pjacobi 284:Pjacobi 241:Physics 234:Physics 142:issues. 95:Pjacobi 951:pseudo 925:pseudo 819:Nature 740:voting 705:Simões 669:Simões 647:Putnam 643:Popper 639:Nozick 627:Kripke 589:Simões 524:Simões 465:. :-) 410:Simões 276:, and 247:has a 69:Simões 927:? LOL 921:suede 694:Wooyi 661:, or 655:Rawls 651:Quine 635:Moore 631:Lewis 614:Wooyi 561:Wooyi 487:From 467:Wooyi 16:< 868:logs 850:talk 808:The 791:Talk 328:. -- 196:. - 570:the 557:and 511:all 507:all 503:All 491:'s 477:the 453:'s 441:of 400:why 930:-- 762:-- 718:) 682:) 665:. 657:, 653:, 649:, 645:, 641:, 637:, 633:, 629:, 625:, 602:) 537:) 489:UT 423:) 357:-- 316:, 299:-- 272:, 173:-- 145:-- 124:-- 104:-- 82:) 31:-- 888:) 883:· 877:· 871:· 865:· 859:· 853:· 848:( 793:) 789:( 711:/ 709:( 675:/ 673:( 595:/ 593:( 530:/ 528:( 497:: 416:/ 414:( 255:. 236:. 75:/ 73:(

Index

Knowledge (XXG) talk:Requests for arbitration
Paranormal
Nealparr
16:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Wikiproject Rational Skepticism
pro-paranormal
pseudosceptical side
Simões
contribs
22:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Pjacobi
23:13, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Minderbinder
23:52, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
LuckyLouie
00:17, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
ScienceApologist
00:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Nealparr
01:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Knowledge (XXG):Requests_for_arbitration/Pseudoscience/Evidence
Nealparr
01:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
article probation
LuckyLouie
01:46, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
paranormal
Nealparr
04:50, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Paranormal

Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.