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999:"Redlinks more informative in some cases". I would thoroughly disagree, especially on stubs with intertranswiki tags. If the articles inform the reader that it is located in .... even that is more informative than nothing at all. Any "empty" stubs I've created have the translation tags in which one can click google translate link and immediately be presented with the information to the reader in english. Sorry Aymatth, but I think your distaste of the shorter stubs is affecting your outlook. A lot of editors are willing to add to an article but unwilling to create it. And if editors hate short stubs in their preferences they can simply programme a minimum KB size. You could simply change it in your preference to avoid clicking on articles and getting the "annoying lack of content". I would agree that one fact and one source bare minimum should be a rule but then this would exclude new articles from newbies who may start notable subjects and have them deleted because they don't know about sourcing. I think you're pretty much wasting your time with this as there is unlikely to be a "rule" which stops them from being created. If just a guideline if merely says "we frown upon this", not as if I wasn't aware of that already!ā™¦ 890:
inhabited named places, or professional sports players, then it should be sufficient (if far from ideal) for a stub to have one reliable source initially. The reason such subjects have been consistently kept in AFDs is that we have found that it is generally possible to find multiple reliable and independent sources with significant coverage of the subject, although it may require more effort than a quick search for online sources at Google News archive or Google books. I agree with questioning "geographical databases of dubious reliability" since some are plainly full of careless errors, and lack a mechanism for getting errors corrected. Some anonymous person enters a hamlet in a geographic database, from unidentified sources, and there is a "hamlet" at a place where no dwelling ever stood. An Ordnance Survey map in the UK, or a National Geological Survey map in the US have been more carefully vetted than some online map system like Google Maps. I have personally contacted Google Maps with evidence of an error in the name of a street, with no reply and no correction of the error, for instance.
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knowledge on the subject so that they may consider expanding these stubs. However I've been compelled by the lack of share buttons manually to copy stubs' URLs into e-mail messages if I wished to share said stubs. My suggestion is that the stub notices that appear at the end of short articles contain these share buttons and that when a user shares an article with someone through one of these buttons, the message that the recipient receives contains the entire article (if it is short enough) with a direct link to edit the article, or a subsection of it. For example, a button following a stub article may ask, "Do you know someone with knowledge on this topic? Ask them to expand this article!" with the last sentence being a link that pops up a window allowing the user to type in e-mail addresses or to share the article on a social network. I believe that implementing such buttons will encourage common readers to share articles with their knowledged acquaintances more freely, hence encouraging greater participation in the project. Kind regards, Adriaan.
3457:. I think it is far too long to be considered a stub. But most of the content is a list, though the article does not announce itself as a list. I think we need clearer guidance on the issue of prose content as opposed to lists, tables etc. I am a humble stub sorter. I am not competent to pronounce on the quality of botanical articles. But I don't think they should be marked as stubs just because they are largely in list form. The same arguments apply to articles about football teams and the like. They often contain a lot of information in tabular form. That seems much more useful than trying to convey the same information in prose. I think articles should be considered as a whole. Excluding consideration of pictures, tables and the like seems perverse. But there seems to be a common view that in assessing whether an article is a stub only the prose content should be taken into account. Is that the proper policy? 5334:
particular, the 3rd & last example in the 'table'. Second (and the part that really made it confusing to me), you can't follow a colon with a list separated by commas and then continue the sentence after the list is done. If you want to keep the colon, this re-work might be an option: "Per the manual of Style, the stub template is placed at the end of the article so that the stub category will appear after all article content. It should come after: the External links section, any navigation templates, and the category tags." (Technically still violates my point #1, but I for one don't care if it's stylistically correct as long readers understand it.)
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whether an article is a stub based solely on its length" (it should be said that the argument presented in the guideline is not the argument you made, still it is absurd to extend from "a few paragraphs long" to "impossible" which would imply this is applicable even when there are many tens of paragraphs or an infinite number of paragraphs). We are interested in reasonable guidelines, and you can always use wordings like "meaningful and relevant content of x number of words" should you so wish to do so, but saying it is "impossible" is just downright ridiculous. Change the wording to something that could be used as a reasonable guideline.
968:, they will find the article on the poet Schlanzk, and will learn something about the village. Now we make a stub that says "Xtrynyr is a community in Ruritania". When the user enters "Xtrynyr" in the search box and presses ENTER, that is all they get. Before, the search results gave some information about Xtrynyr. Now, the reader is stuck in a stub that tells them next to nothing. I am not sure about the wording, but there must be some way to say that a stub is not good if it reduces the amount of information a reader would find on a search result. Thoughts on how stubs increase or reduce the value of Knowledge (XXG) to readers? 5197: 4905: 2806: 850:
encyclopedic appropriateness. A single source to government figures or other reliable source is enough to make it valid, at least as a start. If you genuinely wanted to improve our coverage of the "Global South" then a mention and fact about the places is far far better than if it didn't exist at all. If you still have a problem with that then I suggest you learn to accept it or simply shut up. The web is still in its infancy and more and more sources are becoming available for third world locations and topics all the time. Take the
5921:- I was thinking that, if I were an editor, I might be daunted at the humongous size of stub categories and try to find a smaller category I could whittle away at. (Recently I sorted a bunch of West Bengal geo stubs because the India geo stubs looked overwhelming.) I admit that that's more of a psychological issue than mathematical, but that's how I roll. :D Folks seem to like creating stubs by the thousands rather than expanding those we have; I'm just wondering if splitting stub categories would make them more bite-sized. 4061:
suggests that what's written may be "irrelevant and incomprehensible" as you argued, simply that a lot more could be written). What kind of illogical argument is that? I would have written it very differently even if I want to argue that the should be no set size (which I don't), for example: "It is difficult to set a precise limit on size as even prose of a few paragraphs long may not adequately introduce basic information on a subject about which a lot more could be written..."
5087: 745: 31: 1015:'s idea of adding a pointer to inbound link articles into the stub template (really just the toolbox "what links here", but more visible). That should be raised on the template talk page. I can't see a downside. I still think the guideline, and it is just a guideline, not the LAW, may well say "in general, we discourage..." and describe things like no useful information, no sources, less information than exists elsewhere etc. 4942:
does not state why we need two blank lines at the end of the article before the template. I have never seen this enforced by any other editor, and honestly, it seems most editors don't care about it (quite appropriately, if I say so myself). I see it's been discussed here to death. There really needs to be consensus on this, especially if some editors are so pedantic about it they will revert "violations" of it.
2649:. It is very short, has no references ā€“ and has two stub tags. It is also accurate, complete, and useful. If I delete the stub tags it would seem likely that someone or some bot would only add them again ā€“ so I'll just leave those stub tags in place. Is there a "Not-a-stub" category or template? If not could someone create such? Or can an article be somehow packed to appear larger than stub-sized? Thanks, 103:
tagging, categorising etc are. We could of course do some simple tests ourselves. For example take a sample of 20,000 stubs and de-tag half, wait a month and see if there was a difference in the percentage expanded. Or try different tagging methods or location. Or try advertising 100 selected stubs via different means (subject projects, clean-up projects, Signpost, talk pages, mailing lists, universities).
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lowest level of assessment, which is called "stub". However, "stub assessment" class is not the same as "stub" article, so a project may assess an article which is clearly not a stub as stub class for this and similar reasons. In theory though, if an article has that much unsourced content, a lot of it should probably be removed or moved to talk, and this would result in a stub article anyway. --
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will somehow encourage editors to add content, the question of whether stubs are useful to readers is not one to be ignored. Knowledge (XXG) is for readers, not for editors. If readers get even more cynical about Knowledge (XXG), most of the work put into the project will have been wasted. Here is a scenario. The article on the famous Ruritanian poet Hyrmant Schlanzk includes the following:
5125: 5023: 4854: 4471: 3371: 2758: 4414: 4349: 4288: 4528: 2475:"Note also that as stub templates are for maintenance purposes, not user browsing ... they do not count as categorization for the purposes of Knowledge (XXG)'s categorization policies. An article which has a "stubs" category on it must still be filed in the most appropriate content categories, even if one of them is a direct parent of the stubs category in question." 1513:
list does not fall under the umbrella of what we mean by "stub", and so should not be included. We'd end up needing to completely rework the editing guideline to make lists fit in, and when that's the case, it probably didn't belong there in the first place. I think a list is a list, whatever its length, and it can be considered complete (FL) or incomplete. --
6100:(dumb kind) What are the stub types for? If they are so that editors find articles needing work that exist in their areas of interest, then it makes sense to have stub types that match those areas of interest. These areas should be as wide or as narrow as necessary to suit the population of editors in that area. So item 4 should probably read something like 4180:. Describing the genus, explaining its taxonomy and classification, giving its distribution and habitat, and discussing the uses of its species requires an editor to look at a range of sources, and this takes much longer. In many areas of the tree of life, there are now only a handful of active editors, sometimes only one or two. Feel free to join in! 3865:. I'm only saying that because someone has been tagging many articles (600-1000 words in prose) as stubs. While these articles can certainly be expanded, they are not in any sense of the word stub. The wording here just encourages people to stick the stub tags where they should not be. Certainly unless an article is of high importance like 3419: 4675:, thereby avoiding this issue altogether? I agree that 2 blank linkes are more visually appealing, but I can't fault any editor who (not knowing better) removes the 2nd line while in edit view. This seems like the type of thing that's easier to address through a technical solution than through policy guidance. -- 3780:. There's no stub template in the text itself, but on the talk page it mentions the assessment that was done and found that it was stub class. If that assessment is now outdated, should I edit it directly, or request a reassessment, or what? (Since it doesn't seem to be as straightforward as removing a template.) 3952:
article, I would be flabbergasted if it is flagged as a stub. Using a word like "impossible" is simply unjustifiable and yes, absurd, when there are guidelines governing the size of article. There are ways of writing this without sounding unreasonable. In any case, I'm arguing for saying that if the
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As this page says: "There is no set size at which an article stops being a stub ... As such, it is impossible to state whether an article is a stub based solely on its length, and any decision on the article has to come down to an editor's best judgement". The fact that AWB completely undermines this
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For stub tags, I had in my head a few paragraphs, not a few sentences as this page says, but a screenful is well beyond that either way. Sometimes it is because stub tags get left behind when the article is expanded, other times it is a mistake. Either way they should be removed if an article clearly
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Usual method is to simply stub the article as normal but to also make a note on the talk page to say that there was a longer article, with a link to the article history showing the earlier material. There should probably be a separate template (additional to the stub template) which can go at the top
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I'm not sure that we need this for appearance to the reader, but I think it is helpful in the edit box. A double blank line serves as a subtle indication that the (new) editor has reached the end of the article, and what follows can be ignored. Also, it helps less experienced people get things into
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IMO the instruction is probably not needed, but since it's already been in place for so long it's better to just leave it in. However, if you want to get rid of the 2 blank lines requirement then it's better to just remove that sentence altogether, instead of changing the requirement to 1 blank line,
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there are so many stubs because there are few active editors interested in many groups of organisms. Making a list of the species in a genus just requires looking at a major secondary source, usually an online taxonomic database. Thus for spiders or plants, where I do most of my editing, the species
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states "article should satisfy fundamental content policies such as notability and BLP, and provide sources to establish verifiability." But after being told start class articles don't need sources by another editor, I am confused. So I guess my real question is where does it say this, and/or should
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The fewer special cases the better. Expand tags are different from stub tags. A stub list may, perhaps, even be empty, and simply because an article is a list it doesn't mean that there may not be a need for some significant text, either in the lead or for each entry. For this reason I would allow
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Feel free to add to these. I tend to think a seperate expand list tag is better, but would be happy either way, as long as the result is clear, AND it doesn't result in many 'complete' articles being constantly stubbed. In any case they will stil be a problem for autostubbing like with AWB, and with
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as they all have a template box before them that may vitiate any potential problems. Although it seems, that with a long article (past the info box) and without the template box at the bottom, the system makes extra space for the starting line, at least in my browser. Older browsers may still have a
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Personally, I prefer two blank lines, although I'm not sure that it's so critical that we need to mandate it. I think it helps signal, "The article is now over. What follows is templates and categories." This is particularly useful to less experienced editors. The point isn't to make the article
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regardless of whether there are two, one or no blank lines before it. Personally, when editing article for a different reason, and I encounter stubs placed before the cats, I move them to between the cats and ILLs; if there is no blank line before the stubs, I insert one; if there are three or more,
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In my opinion "usually not considered" is less correct than "play a secondary role". It is pretty obvious that anything that is sometimes considered is practically always considered. I mean, how else would one know whether to consider it in any given case. The true meaning is of that phrase that it
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as you note, this has been discussed before, and there's no consensus to change the guideline, so editors are quite right to uphold it. Personally, I don't care either way, but as with all stylistic issues over which there are differences of opinion, I do care about consistency, which is helpful to
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I had not even known this was a thing before I had it pointed out to me when I was reverted over it by a user on an article today. I found being reverted over this extremely pedantic, and from looking back through this page it appears I'm not the only one. As others have pointed out, this guideline
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Sports teams I can't comment on, but there's a lot of information about a genus that needs to be included to stop it being a stub: a description of the features of the genus; taxonomy including classification, phylogeny, subgroups; distribution, habitat and ecology; and uses. A mere list of species
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Should we not consider an article as a whole. A policy which effectively says that any information in tabular form should be ignored is unhelpful. It leads to clogging up the list of long stubs with articles where it is sensible to include tabular information - and often there is not much else to
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rather than on its overall length. I have more sympathy with this view, but I still do not accept that prose length alone makes an article not a stub. For example, all species are considered "notable" as a matter of policy, so there would be no question of deleting an article about a plant species.
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This guideline does say "stub status usually depends on the length of prose text alone". However, my understanding of the guideline is that the article's length isn't the primary consideration ā€“ the more relevant question is "How complete is the article?". If there's a great deal more that could be
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Based on all these comments about this perennial question, I've expanded the text to list some of the common rules of thumb and to put the "no set size" rule in bold-faced text. There is no set size, and there is a significant diversity of quick assessment strategies. Perhaps this will be clearer
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can be a rather broad thing to define. indeed some pages we call articles are also lists. and some articles started out as lists. So with that in mind, yes, lists can be stubs. As for AWB, I think the threshhold for stubs should be higher than 300 characters. (I think I saw someone propose 1000 in
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We define a stub as "an article deemed too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject." So, if we have a list of presidents of a nation that includes only 50% of its presidents, even if the list is rich on information for each one and thus includes 8K of text, is it a stub? Strictly by the
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An excellent example, and well presented. My thought is that the stub template should be improved, so that it says something to the effect of "this article is a stub. You can help Knowledge (XXG) by expanding it. Suggestions may be found on the Talk page, and further information may be found on the
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Haven't you got something more useful to do with your time Chzz? Geographical place names only need verification of existence. And my Benin stubs have government population data. Expecting lots of web sources for towns in places like Benin is hardly indicative of its level of notability or level of
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Would the usability initiative be able to provide any input into decisions about how stub templates and categories are used? Basically what we have is a sensible arrangement derived from reasonable, but untested assumptions, we have one and a half million stubs, and no way of knowing how effective
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criteria don't mention any specific number, but 4-5 articles is common practice. I see no reason why stub categories should be any different. Even if a higher number will be decided upon, I agree with the second part of the proposal, that a lower number should be acceptable for categories that are
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and would be composed of entirely or nearly entirely irrelevant and incomprehensible details. It would have needed far more urgent tags added, and it being a stub would be the last thing I would worry about. This is an essentially absurd argument to justify the wording "it is impossible to state
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I don't think articles should be marked as stubs just because they are largely in list form. The same arguments apply to articles about football teams, elections, sporting competitions and the like. They often contain a lot of information in tabular form. That seems much more useful than trying to
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Thank you for the explanation. I think the confusion in my situation is that the content I've been dealing with is mostly regarding fictional characters, so there are articles with significant plot summaries (plot summaries have been determined to not need citations as watching the series verifies
1737:(or more) of running text. These aren't just old templates, either; they're being actively added to articles of this size. I'm getting the impression that "stub" is now being used, at least by some active users, to label any article that could do with expansion or is otherwise less than perfect. 1248:
That edit seems fine to me. Incidentally, when I first got involved with stub sorting, I remember learning early on that lists should not be considered stubs, so it surprises me to learn it was only added to that pages description in the last two months. A quick check found several mentions of the
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The discussion above has brought out many useful viewpoints. I will try to summarize them before asking for input to a straw poll. But I am not comfortable that we are giving enough weight to the reader's experience and would like to first open discussion on that. Whatever our hopes are that stubs
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If there is a general acceptance of notability for some class of subjects, such as legislators, licensed broadcasting stations which produce some of their programming locally, public high schools or private high schools of a certain size, accredited colleges and universities, inhabited or formerly
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FWIW, I keep an eye on those of my contribs which have been re-edited after my last edit (via a "hide top" on my contribs list) - I'm finding that the majority of stubs which I move to more specific stub categories seem to get either improved or expanded within a couple of weeks (though most still
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to dividing large categories. There is nothing about aircraft from different decades that would make someone interested in 1950s aircraft be uninterested in stubs about 1960s aircraft. There isn't anything wrong with having large stub categories, and there is something wrong with having editors
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I do, however, agree that there are some practical limits: a stub category with many thousands of articles is nearly useless for direct use. (It might still be useful for searching or PetScan results, but who's going to look at page 23 of a huge category's contents?) A category with hundreds of
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The following is purely optional advice. Based on my experience a new RFC might more effectively attract useful responses if it quotes the relevant existing text of the guideline, if it presents a more specific proposal, and/or if the the author starts off the !voting section presenting their own
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and many other sources note that the average lenght of an English word is 5.1 letters, so I guess 300 words may be a better mark. I find words a better visual measure than characters, through this is a personal feeling; comments would be appreciated, through I think we can uncontroversially agree
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policies show that any article lacking sources could not satisfy the requirements of start class? Any guidance on the proper way to solve this difference of opinion is greatly appreciated. I've held off working on classifying as to not start an edit war. I've asked at the wikiproject but have not
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I would have thought all articles, save possibly some lists, 'need' sources, and that an article not having any sources was considered to be a temporary situation for an article still under construction (however long it may actually stay in that state in practice). Hence it would have to have the
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while keeping this particular issue in mind. That is, how much of the description of a stub applies to lists? How much of the "ideal" applies to lists? ...and so forth. From a quick read through, my personal opinon is that lists don't fit into our description of stubs. This suggests to me that a
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So the status quo is that stub tags are used sparingly on lists, and I encourage that to continue. The ā€œincomplete list templateā€ should be used when that better describes the problem with the list while a list that needs significant additional text, either in the lead or for each entry, can be
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Consensus is clear that AWB should not be used to tag lists as stubs. Consensus is much less clear on tagging lists as stubs. The !vote is evenly split. Rich Farmbrough and EncycloPetey both make strong arguments (one that lists donā€™t fit the definition of a stub well, the other that labeling
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With the caveat that I'm not a stub sorter and thus not super experienced in this area, I find WhatamIdoing's argument above convincing, so I'm inclined toward no. Ghost's point about workability above makes sense, but I think we should have a number, which is more definitive than a qualitative
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I haven't been very active on Knowledge (XXG) for a number of years, so I went looking to see if there had been any change in the definition of "stub", but if there has been, it hasn't been reflected on this page. Does this page still reflect the community's understanding of what a stub is? --
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I notice on many websites they provide useful buttons beneath their content in order to make it easy for users to share that content with others via e-mail or on specific social networking websites. I've encountered some stubs on Knowledge (XXG) and was hoping to share it with people I knew had
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we're discussing what to do about some articles that need stubbing due to long-term pollution. I think we want a tag, something like "This is a stubbed version of a much longer article that was found to have problems. You may see the earlier version at . Please help us rebuild it". Is there any
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which by extending the argument from "a few paragraphs" to the word "impossible" implies that prose of many many paragraphs (theoretically an infinite number of paragraphs) long that are relevant and pertinent to subject would still be stubs simply because more could be written (it at no point
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This article is the longest stub in the encyclopedia. About 3 times bigger than the next biggest stub. It has annotated pictures and a vast list of species. It may not be complete or prefect. As an innocent in the world of botany it seems substantial to me. Listing the species in a genus is
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I think you have to look at stubs templates which use "tall" icons, which butt up against navboxes in an unsightly manner. Years ago users caught loads of flack for formatting without two blank lines. And the same used to apply to navboxes until CSS was changed, you can still see (some quite
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Stub sorter here. I don't know how the recommended minimum number was set (it was before my time), but as you may have seen, there are many stub categories which seem to fall into the 50-60 article range. Frequently editors seem to be eager to create stub types but not so eager to apply them,
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Actually, 500 words is normally taken as a sign that the article is so far past the stub stage that nobody could realistically contest removal of the stub tag. (Automated actions and things that require judgment don't mix well.) Ten sentences, which commonly amounts to 150 words, used to be
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I had 2 issues with the colon. First, the part of a sentence that comes before the colon has to be an independent clause (a clause that'd work as a stand-alone sentence). Go to website www.scribbr.com/language-rules/colons/ and check out the part with the heading "Introducing a list" and, in
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way (a guideline) would be an improvement. An alternative to making such a choice would to be to recode or reconfigure Knowledge (XXG)'s MediaWiki such that, in the appearance of every page, stub notices coalesce in a similar manner as category membership indicators do. -- Lindberg 01:06, 17
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That's interesting data, I have just done some work on stubs SmackBot edited in 2009, and a significant proportion of them have not been touched since - so that's some kind of a control. But again that is an impression, not a hard figure, and we don't know what biases my be in either sample.
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On the other hand: A stub that cannot be expanded, but can be better discussed in context of a larger topic that is clearly notable and not a stub, should be redirected (not deleted) to be discussed there. For example, we have thousands of stubby articles on named towns which we will likely
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instead. As per Manual of Style, stub templates are meant to be at the very end line of a stub article but sometimes it is not visually reflected when published. This is particularly true for those which have an infobox and for some reason it is longer that the entire article content (until
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instructs the editor to add references. It may be "not widely practiced", but I think most established editors would agree that lack of references is a problem worth tagging, even in a single-sentence stub: that one sentence needs a source, and if the editor who has just created the stub is
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states that the order is navboxes, ..., categories, stubs, interlanguage links (ILLs). Since no article should be uncategorised, there will always be some cats, and so stubs shouldn't be butting against the navboxes unless the article doesn't comply with MOS in at least these respects (the
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A quick look at other articles in the drama-film stub category revealed that most of them had a second stub category. If a stub can be classified in several categories, then it is a stub in each of those categories, although it may seem excessive to put in half-a-dozen stub categories. -
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would be close to the borderline I have commonly seen used, and it is certainly more than a couple of sentences, and has quite a bit of info. Sometimes articles of about this length have tags, sometimes they don't. Much more prose text than that and I think a stub tag shouldn't be being
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when "length" is taken to mean simply the length of the article and not of paragraphs of text. There are many articles on genera of organisms, for example, which contain lengthy lists of species, but are rightly classed as stubs because there is little or no other information ā€“ look at
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definition yes, because it's missing half the list and therefore is "too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject." If we mark lists as "stubs" on that basis, then it becomes redundant with "incomplete" (which has its own template). My point is that lists need to be nearly
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alerted/reminded of this ASAP they are perhaps more likely to provide it. Other editors will also look for refs, and also the reader will be alerted to the fact that this is potentially unreliable information to be treated with particular caution, as there is nothing to support it.
5584:)? If so, what is the purpose of having a minimum category size if the whole point of having such a category is to facilitate its reduction to zero? Is the question about where to create those categories (as opposed to having a stub subcategory for every conceivable category)? ā€” 4745:
From this very page: "If an article overlaps several stub categories, more than one template may be used, but it is strongly recommended that only those relating to the subject's main notability be used. A limit of three or, if really necessary, four stub templates is advised."
4276:. MoS has no position on stub tag indentation; so it's up to people here if they object as a site-wide matter, and up to individual articles' editorial pools if they object there. The principal objection someone might raise would be inconsistency between articles, probably. 3795:
If you edit the talk page of a stub, you'll find "class=Stub". Change this to what you think appropriate. Then if the article has a stub template at the bottom, edit the page and remove it. If others diagree with your assessment, they are free to revert or use another class.
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The question was apparently worded badly, since the reply "Maybe 200 characters" implies that ThesenatorO5-2 didn't understand the question. It took me till today to understand what the question was. Now that I do, my opinion is that no exception should be made. The regular
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I think it would be too much like advertising. You may find those buttons useful, but ultimately they are just a form of advertising for the social networks in question. Maybe a generic "email this article" would work, but it would be hard to prevent its use in spamming.
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As far as I know, the definition for stub tags hasn't changed, but some editors may have differing ideas on how long is too long. Article assessments are another issue: Most are out of date, and not all projects use the same definition of stub-class as an assessment
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articles that link here" with "articles that link here" as a wikilink to the articles that link to that stub. My opinion at this point is that a suggestion like this is superior to some sort of "more information here than in the linking articles" requirement.
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was reverted. I explained my edit with the following edit summary: "Formulate this a bit more careful and a bit more correct.". No explanatory edit summary was provided by the reverting editor. That lack of etiquette notwithstanding, I'll explain my edit.
3138:- if there are refs with bare URLs they ought to be upgraded, from the start. I think that things may have moved on in the 7 years since that previous discussion, in terms of our current expectation that all new content will be referenced from the start. 425:
has the navbox after the cats). I don't actually see why two blank lines are needed as opposed to one; an argument in the past was that this made it easier for bots to detect the stubs, but any well-written bot should be able to detect a stub template
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everyone, readers as well as editors. One rationale is that the stub template isn't really part of the article ā€“ it's a hopefully temporary message to editors that it needs to be expanded ā€“ so setting it off from the article has some justification.
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Why are there so many articles about genera - often longstanding articles - which contain hardly anything but a list of species? Is there not somewhere an agreed description of the features? Could those articles not be moved into the Start class?
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That (removing any specific requirement altogether) is also fine with me. Although the best thing in my opinion is to be clear about it and change the requirement to one, and just agree to not make any special efforts, apart from changing it in AWB.
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obviously an important part of any article of this kind. Surely the amount of information is a relevant consideration is deciding what is or is not a stub, regardless of whether or not the information is expressed in prose or in tabular form?
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spend hours figuring out whether a particular stub is "really" late 1950s or "really" early 1960s. Stub tags are not a primary categorization system. Fine granularity is not as desirable as maximizing the number of editors who see the stubs.
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Thank you. I understand how to do this now. However, yesterday, I couldn't find out where to find the stub code on the page and how to remove it. For relatively new editors, perhaps some clarification could be added, e.g. delete the stub code
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articles is not bad. I might suggest the West Bengal stub cat, which lists less than 800 stubs (and therefore 4 pages), as an example of a cat that's nearing but maybe hasn't quite reached a plausible upper limit. (Thank you for the ping.)
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That isn't what the part that say "impossible" refers to because the preceding sentence does not argue that. For a long rambling article full of irrelevant material you would use a different tag anyway if not outright proposal for deletion.
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Some things do look bad with only one line in between but I've never seen an example of something that would exist in an article. Perhaps the specific stub templates that need an extra line should include the line as part of the template?
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I would suggest that the wording here be changed. The idea that "it is impossible to state whether an article is a stub based solely on its length" is simply absurd, there is for example no way an article of the length of article like
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remain at stub level). So it's not entirely untested assumptions, though (of course) I don't have a "control group" to compare it to. As to the advertising of stubs, that's already done regularly via WikiProjects and user talk pages.
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Personally, I don't follow that guideline rigidly. When there are no blank lines before the first stub template, I add one; where there are three or more, I reduce them to two. But if there are either one or two, I leave them alone.
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Given that the preceding sentence says "their articles may still be stubs even if they are a few paragraphs long", that sentence is clearly referring to prose because the preceding sentence is its justification. In any case, if
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Over the last three or so years I've seen a few (perhaps no more than four) newbie editors happily working through a category and adding a stub template to every article, regardless of its current state: for example, adding
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I have started a discussion over on GNG, which mostly relates to stubs - and similar issues to those in the section above, except it is concerning the need for minimal reliable sources in articles - even if they're stubs.
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Hello, I'm looking for clarification on stub articles vs. non-stub articles and the requirement of sources. Can an article without any reliable sources be considered anything but stub class? (Start or above)? Thank you!
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for a list which is complete as at time of writing, and which could be used for small-but-complete lists to make sure they don't get labelled as incomplete, or as stubs, by editors with or without the assistance of AWB.
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do this for, but due to past "notability" discussions on schools, probably hundreds of similar articles on high/upper schools that are stubs that could be merged up into the towns/cities that those schools are part of.
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If that article contained a long section on cultural references to that species but gave no description of the species, said nothing about its taxonomy or classification, or its distribution and habitat, it would be a
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might benefit from an edit which strives make it more readable for beginning (or infrequent) editors wanting to create a stub article in an existing category, which seems like it would be the most common use-case.
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Geographical articles only need verification of existence? I realise that it's popular, in some quarters, to create thousands of microstubs from geographical databases of dubious reliability; but we should at least
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there is a discussion about the order of categories and stub templates where an editor has suggested considering the elimination of all stub templates. I've suggested that they pursue that discussion here instead.
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I make it two lines whenever I am editing the footer anyway (unless I forget to), but something like this should not be a reason for an edit on its own I don't think - similar to changing the order of categories.
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Normally a new RFC shouldn't immediately follow an RFC closure. However given that this RFC started over three months ago, and the lack of effective discussion, there is no prejudice against opening a new RFC.
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I have seen many sentences, in which a list (mostly even without colon) was continued by the rest of the sentence. But I agree: in all these sentences it was not completely easy to figure out, where the list
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And before (such) a lengthy enumeration it is: good, generally helpfull considered and generally agreed upon style, to put a colon. Reference (e.g.): Thorndike Barnhart: Worldbook Dictionary / prechapters.
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could be described as a stub. There must be a limit on when an article can be described as a stub, especially when Knowledge (XXG) already recommends that articles should avoid exceeding certain sizes per
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Can further clarification be added to the Removing stub status section to explain how to remove a stub? What is the process? I've searched through Knowledge (XXG) but cannot find this information. Thanks.
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True, it's more anecdotal evidence than good hard facts, but it is perhaps indicative. I've also no indication of how frequently those articles were being edited before I changed/added the stub templates.
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the content), so while I have been labeling any such articles without sources as "stub," some others feel they are "start." Is this truly a matter of opinion, or am I right to conclude that this page and
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doing stub-sorting, or were you trying to find an article to expand? I'm not sure that what makes it more appealing to sort stubs is a good marker for what makes it easier to find an article to expand.
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An article full of incomprehensible or irrelevant details would not stay as it is, and it would be trimmed back to the meaningful part. I have not seen any article that is the size of an article like
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Perhaps I'm wrong, is there another there a page I should look at to help me remember about creating stub articles? If so an info box linking to it at the top of this article would seem appropriate.
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If an article about a film, novel, etc, says "X is a film" and then has 500 words of plot summary but no further information about the film it's a stub. It's qualititative as well as quantitative.
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what you are arguing is quite different from the statement to which you object. You are arguing that it is possible to state whether an article is a stub or not based solely on the length of its
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There are also a small handful of lists currently tagged as stubs, but tagging lists as stubs has been pretty rare (about 0.1% at the moment of all lists in the Wikiproject are tagged as stubs).
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for articles" (my emphasis). This suggests to me that if a list isn't good enough for List-class, it may be given Stub-class; and this in turn permits the use of a stub template on the article.
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Kindly explain here why your thoughts are that an 8 inch flashcard would be a stub and that you just must sink the most reliable and pertinent information into a mush of swamping wordiness.
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I really donĀ“t get your boards issue with encyclopedic 1 paragraph overal coverage. Those are not stubs, they are ample and sufficient for any individual whom would review the section.
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and I are not sure about this. I have never checked the permcats when I have removed a stub tag, but I will try to remember to do that now. Perhaps the guideline should recommend it.
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While topics like guidelines for creating new stub templates are important, it seems like linked topic could best address that sort of context rather than prose in this context.
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Now it is clearly incomplete in another sense; a sentence fragment has been appended. I know nothing about the substance and the fragment is suggestive, so I merely note it here. --
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When is a stub no longer a stub? I know in AWB's tagging fixes, if it sees a page with 500 words or more with a stub tag it removes it. Is this a general guideline? An upper limit?
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4. Will there be a significant number of existing stubs in this category? (Ideally, a newly created stub type has 100ā€“300 articles. In general, any new stub category should have a
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aLst I checked, it can be Start, but nothing higher. It'd be pretty silly to call an articles that is ten screens long a "Stub" just because it was unrefernced, don't you think?
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I was not a party to those discussions, but when I saw in the edit summary the title of this section, I right away thought "Why not?". So perhaps this issue should be rediscussed?
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is an example of a page which I would call clearly a stub, but is more than one page. Pages with big infoboxes and lists and lots of references can be deceiving in that sense. --
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All that said, given that people have been arguing for a decade on 1 or 2 blank lines before the stub tags, I doubt there'd be consensus to start indenting them any time soon.
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In context, BTW, a plot summary is always considered to be implicitly sourced to the book itself, even if nobody types out a ==References== section and lists the book there.
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references or external links section), and where there are no navboxes or anything that can indirectly function as a line break preceding stub templates. With the
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convey the same information in prose. I think articles should be considered as a whole. Excluding consideration of pictures, tables and the like seems perverse.
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regardless of its length. It might not be a stub to another WikiProject, but it would definitely be a plant stub. And as the agreed assessment criteria for
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is always considered, just that it is not usually the decisive consideration. Which is precisely what I said when stating it is of secondary importance.
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Principal listed has spelling error. Should be Brian Young. Also there are two principals. Should read: Co-Principals Brian Young and Dina Marschall
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A list needing work may be of just as much interest to an editor who has found a stub category matching their interest/expertise to work on expanding.
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it is. Rather, it is determined by having a high percentage of the total information present. Completeness is the relevant criterion for lists. --
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Howdy, for about 2 months, I've been indenting stubs on articles, as IMHO it's better visual optics. What are the views of others, on this matter?
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If an article meets the notability requirements, but the majority of what's known doesn't amount to much, does that still constitute a stub? ā€”
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That's the template itself, not a page which uses the template... the big green box is the template's documentation, and it does state (at
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Is there a reason why stub categories for hip hop songs aren't separated this way? Other genres have them separated by year (yeah, I know
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What should be the recommended minimum size for stub categories? Should an exception be adopted for accepted subcategory schemes, as for
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John Hoskin was an artist in residence at the University of Georgia from 1973-1974. He donated a sculpture to the Institute of Ecology.
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Do we have a gross number of how many stubs there are in total on en.wikipedia? (I wasn't sure when and/or where we discussed this..?)
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lists as a stub makes it clear that significant text is needed). So I see no consensus on the issue of tagging lists as stubs or not.
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If I'm looking for something to do (which is rare; work tends to find me, rather than me looking for it), I usually use a tool like
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An encyclopedia must be concise and too the point, and in being so, not open to fast Ā“new ageĀ“ bible writ style wordy engineering.
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IMHO, we could lower it by a smaller increment, perhaps to 50 articles, and see whether that solves any of the backlog problems.
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as then we'd be getting thousands of useless edits by users and/or bots wanting to make articles conform to this new rule. --
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Yes. Because a stub is not necessarily a temporary status. Some articles are bound to stay stubs forever, and that is fine.
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My opinion would be that your board would be looking for paparazzi grief, or worse, information to extort in populous form.
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I'll endorse it if necessary, but I don't see a need. I had a look and I thought it was a very well-considered summing up.
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prose content of an article passes a certain point, the stub tag would no longer be applicable and should not be used.
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between different part of an article, and suddenly, lo and behold, at the very end of the article there suddenly are
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from well before this, but I haven't been around long enough to know what was involved in the decision and where. --
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is not really in my wheelhouse. Thus I am not the best judge of what might appeal to an editor, I suppose. Cheers!
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I agree that plot summaries are assumed to be sourced to the work. However articles "should" not consist solely of
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I was invited by the bot. I don't have much of an opinion other than it seems like not a good time to close it.
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Should the recommended minimum of 60 articles be lowered to 25? (This number may be subject to further revision.)
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lists to be tagged as stubs, but I wholly agree with PamD that it would be wise for AWB to avoid such tagging.
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I use the 250 words rule. Reason being, 250 words is a miniumum requirement for an article to be able to be a
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I would like to suggest for the practice of adding two blank lines before the first stub to be replaced with
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It already appears to be under discussion; I am aware of about four threads (this one included), contrary to
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Given that "you can improve this by expanding it" became a meme, maybe this template should be reworded?
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of the article, after the "External links" section, any navigation templates, and the category tags." --
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There is no presence of the "latin script stub" on the stub type list, but countless articles have it!
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We have fiercely disagreed on another subject, but in this case you and I are of one mind completely.
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Maybe I missed something, but until I saw it in the Spotlight I didn't know about the discussion at
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It already says "any editor may remove its stub template"; "the stub template may be removed" and "
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The reason I thought they had to have at least one source was that the Start class description at
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I would like to propose including some advice about over-tagging stubs on this page. Here's a
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in removing stub tags that are clearly no longer applicable". What is missing here? --
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template is for BLPs which need additional references, so is more closely related to
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I suspect that WikiProjects or other organised collections of editors should define
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I thought you'd already agreed that you couln't tell if Lougba was actually a town?
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considered this colon to be: erroneous and confusing and, consequently, removed it.
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of 60 per year, a new category for a specific year cannot be justified. I see that
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Change Motto: From:Jesus says we're allowed to kick your ass To: Persistence Pays
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Is it complete though? When did it come into use and when did it become obsolete?
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I asked for an uninvolved admin to read the discussion and provide an outcome. --
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Should AWB tag lists as stub when they are really small (i.e. have less than 300
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but had assumed that they were helping out by making the article easier to edit.
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snarky) HTML comments in many articles, designed to preserve those blank lines.
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Has anyone ever heard or used this term? If so...or if not...make a comment at
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Definitely not. That stub template with only one blank line looks fine to me.
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part of a tree, like per year or decade or country or state categories, etc.
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change the guideline to "one space". The examples given above for Chile, are
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Therfore I would like to come to know other readers' opinions on this issue.
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on the issue which looks reasonable as a basis for advice. Any comments? ~
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written on the subject, then it's a stub; if there isn't, then it isn't.
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for instance. There are a lot of USAID case studies on them on the web.ā™¦
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name its sources), but the presence of a list of sources isn't required.
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and such. I remember that when I was a newbie, I briefly thought that
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arguments regarding the perceived problem and/or potential solution.
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which can be added to an incomplete list, and there's the less-known
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Not in my view. I've removed this change. It needs to be discussed.
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may be of use when trying to judge whether an article is a stub". --
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Just a thought, why don't we just build in the extra blank line in
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Correcting grammar and punctuation definitely counts as editing.
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A stub tag, then, makes the person who places it feel superior --
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According to the page's protection level you should be able to
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the instructions be a little more clear? Thanks for your help.
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and I came across this essay that might answer my question.
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display differently, but to make editing easier for humans.
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was not I as I think. I find that very arguable. See also
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Given no discussion here, I have raised this proposal at
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I will have to study your reference. Thank you for this.
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remember this is the encyclopedia anyone can edit.Ā :-)
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The stub template with tallest image that I know of is
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should be reverted. That page should be in both cats
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which began on 21 June. I hope the rest of you did.
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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
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Signups are at 2316:I just tried to label my first page as a stub ( 1802:Category:Railway stations in Greater Manchester 2933:First, how many are there? 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The BLP equivalent of the latter is 2847:Total number of stubs on en.wikipedia? 2318:Court of Justice of the European Union 2219:Knowledge (XXG):Did_you_know#DYK_rules 1800:to every page in the subcategories of 1508:I suggest that a few more people read 1477: 915:to avoid splitting up the discussion. 758:Do not edit the contents of this page. 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 5779:RfC: What should be the minimum size? 5504:RfC: Minimum size for stub categories 4888:Student Population is 550 on average 3948:gives a list that is the size of the 3606:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 3569:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 2909:Hip hop song stub categories by year? 2251:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 1725:Has the definition of a stub changed? 1606:Should lists be tagged with stub tag? 7: 5537:The following discussion is closed. 5282:Colon before a (lengthy) enumeration 5171:Change Enrollment From: 140 To: 300 4524: 4522: 4467: 4465: 4410: 4408: 4345: 4343: 4284: 4282: 3658:. 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Rich
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04:09, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Grutness
wha?
22:06, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
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16:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
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