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I am opposed to any merger of system articles. Let's not jump the gun here: the LRT and MRT operate independently, despite the LRTA being an attached agency of the DOTr and despite there being a common line numbering system. I'm fine with making an overview article but there is no need for merging
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and correct this major error, my mind is still on another project im trying to finish up there. You can start with your research and make the necessary merger with a draft, easy peasy. Use the MM Dream Plan article as your guide. Will help out when im done. But id still defer to Sky Harbor's
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It's been around 2 years since we agreed to use the " station" scheme for train stations, but I think we should be capitalizing the "station" as what's been done for
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Surname-only is also equally ambiguous, and presumes most people call the road by just the surname when they don't. On your last example, I mostly hear people say "T.M. Kalaw", not just "Kalaw". There is more than one prominent Kalaw out there
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