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the years - change an interface and people claim it does not work, even when it is working but their past habituation blinds them - give them an upgraded OS and they become apoplectic. Change is hard for some people, and they will resist in any way they can. Even in totally irrational ways. Visual and motor habituation to interfaces is a known issue. There are two issues there. 1) The
Teahouse interface is not designed for such people. 2) if people are finding themselves disorientated by the change of interface it indicates that need to take a very long break and recover from such level of habituation. It has been interesting to see some employers shifting the introduction of new interfaces to work with employee holidays. Employee takes 2 weeks holiday - returns to work and enters training on new interface - Employees experience less disorientation, retain the new training better - productivity is not affected.
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The helpful editors are going to those article talk pages, fostering discussion, and using clear and patient language with the editors involved to reason with them and explain difficult concepts like promotion, conflict of interest, undue weight, etc...all the while being non critical and encouraging (to a point...we all know some folks just won't ever get it). I wish all conversations on talk pages would be conducted in such a manner...and the incredible thing is, they are often getting a positive and reasonable response from the offending editor...often time actually
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the ask question box; also, in addition to inserting special symbols, I can click a link on the bottom of the page that automatically inserts four tildas for me, this option is not available on the the ask question editing interface, in fact, nothing is on my mobil, but all these things are available for talk pages and articles on my mobile. This may be a bigger problem with the ask question box: users have no idea what it looks like. Maybe it is completely reduced in functionality on the mobile devices, so you have no idea. I will check the interface on a landline.
3732:, where one is supposed to search through the archives to see if their question had already been asked, but I think it should be assumed in answering that others are reading the response as well, and might need the "simplified version" without the jargon, even if the OP does not. I wonder if the follow-up questionnaire includes something like "Did you find the other questions and answers at the Tea Room helpful" or some similar language? Is their a place where I can view the questionnaire and the results, just out of curiosity?
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thresholds, but for now every qualified newcomer we skip is one fewer automatic invite. Also, we're going to get flack no matter what. The best justification for our methods is to point to all the good editors we help, not to apologize for the (inevitable) few bad apples who slip through. Lots of good
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1994:*sigh* This has been a point of contention for a loooong time (in Teahouse terms, at least). The short answer seems to be: top-down posting is a lot more newbie friendly, and we haven't seen anyone carry top-down posting to other pages yet. Personally, I'm not sold on those arguments, and there are some technical issues with top-down posting, but I don't think it matters enough to make yet another stink about it. But if you want to, be my guest, I suppose.
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interest in editing. That's just an assumption though. If we specified "all autoconfirmed" we'd need to make sure it was users who became autoconfirmed after the decision was made. (We don't want to send an invite to Jimbo Wales) Alternatively, we could do a 30 edits in 96 hours or some variation thereof. Anything that would invite editors who still appear active even though they didn't make 10 edits in their first 24 hours.
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be seen to be so antisocial and wrong. But it's seen as fine - dandy and acceptable to just say different is wrong when different has no face and no stereotype to be patronised. I have run the
Teahouse interface past quite a few peeps I now who have varying levels of disability. They got it instantly - and yet could not get on - in - over - though - along with the existing face of Knowledge (XXG).
4546:"I'm not sure the box is ever an option on mobile." Seems to be saying I lied about accessing it on my mobile. An assumption of good faith, ok the other hand, focuses on the issue I raised, the difficulty of using the box on mobile, rather than on whether I told the truth.aboit using mobile in the first place. I am still just trying to ask a question on my mobile, not edit articles, also.
2017:- I have been reading the reports and analysing quite carefully. It is taking quite some time. I do check references and claims carefully. I have also been digging into the history and looking at where Teahouse Visitors/Editors have gone and what they have done - both before and after interaction with the Teahouse. I can't find the evidence that shows your concern is valid.
5494:. But HostBot didn't automatically invite those during the trial period. Changing those criteria to include all autoconfirmed users who have not previously received an invite would gain us some more--I don't know how many; probably still fewer than the 10-edit list though. And it would be a relatively safe change to make. Heh, of course, we have yet to gain approval to do
4472:, something we try to do in all matters. I myself struggle to edit on every mobile device I've used, I believe that it's something that the Foundation is looking at. It's only been a short while since mobiles were able to process information like wikipedia, and considering the vast majority of the workforce is voluntary, these things don't progress very quickly.
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would need to go to. Surprised to find public introductions of the hosts there. If you were to show me a screen shot of the main page and ask me to describe what I thought the links lead to (or even to identify the links, they don't even look like clickable links), I'd fail miserably. All in all lots of surprises, which is bad from a UI standpoint.
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shouting demands that you receive an apology and your rambling diatribe against me when I rightly told you were acting improperly and should apologize, I have no desire to interact with you further. You have no obligation but I would appreciate it if you would not respond to my posts not directed at you in the future. I will certainly reciprocate.--
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with a misimpression of the way conversations are carried out everywhere else on
Knowledge (XXG), which they may and very likely will then carry with them to all those other pages, including talk pages of other users and their own talk pages, where new posts at the bottom is the norm and the default placement by the software.--
4142:. Then it occurred to me I might not be supposed to do that, so I stopped. Since I don't feel I know enough to be a host I'm not official, and I really don't want to cause more trouble for you good folks by blundering around. Is it OK for me to issue these personal invites to Teahouse? I did notice several people followed up.
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has been moved to the top - even by new editors visiting the
Teahouse and detecting the issue. It is interesting to see newbies taking responsibility for helping other newbies (and the oldies), and no one minds, makes comment or sees such an error (from following wiki practices outside of the Teahouse) as an issue. Cheers.
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of pages. It has hosts that aren't all that formally processed, similar to clerks in other venues, and you don't even have to be one to help out. The only thing really different here is that it's dressed up in some unique graphics and gadgets. I think this is the very reason it will probably survive -- it's specifically
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change its behaviour: when clicked, if no signature is in the box, instead of saving, a small message or popup-box of some sort appears to let the person knowā"hey, before you save, you should sign your post". This way the user is shown a reminder if they forget to sign, and is shown nothing if they remember.
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slowly fizzles outā¦or, most likely, those that are tasked to operate and monitor this board will simply throw up their hands in frustration and give up, and it will eventually become defunct. Basically a slow death either way. Sorry to be such a downer but thatās how I see it going down, since you asked.
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I hear what you are saying. Two of the decent reasons for doing this are that one, new users really benefit from slowing down and reading directions; and two, any place that anyone is encouraged to learn to sign their posts is beneficial for the future. The truth is that people don't always enjoy the
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I am curious how they asked a question without tildas, or what mobile device would have enough action to use the ask a question box but not have a fairly typical symbol. On my phone it uses the fallback of creating a section, the box doesn't work at all. I'm not sure that the box is ever an option on
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Teahouse-type principles have always been encouraged everywhere, and many experienced editors practiced them before it arrived. Personally I don't find the teahouse to be anything all that different from any other
Knowledge (XXG) venue. It has its own encouraged practices, which can be said for a lot
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went with the template links discussion, right? Oy). It doesnāt really matter. Whatever it is will be tied somehow (however tenuously) to this project, and a āpile-onā will ensue, resulting in either a community mandated change on how the Tea Room works, effectively ābreakingā the system so that it
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I came here to offer some praise and a suggestion. First the praise: I am truly impressed with the amount of follow through I am seeing here. Not only with the newbies and their questions to this page, but also the follow up on talk pages of troubled articles that are mentioned in their questions.
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I came across the Tea Room project earlier today after seeing a link on another user's talk page. I've spent the last few hours reading through the talk page archives and relevant discussions. Being familiar with the failed
Esperanza project, I was glad to see that the Tea Room is avoiding certain
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The full text is actually retrieved every time by the "Ask a question" gadget, in order to force new entries to the top of the page -- and my response script still has that code left over, so the whole page is also being retrieved when using it to leave a response; so as you can see it's not as big a
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I keep wondering about the plethora of help pages and help initiatives. For me the biggest issue is that Wiki needs a WYSWYG editor that allows editors to use existing and none wiki skills to create content. ... and for wiki markup to vanish into the background. That will also fundamentally alter all
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The
Teahouse has very cleverly branded itself within Knowledge (XXG), and give itself a strong visual brand identity. People who visit see both the communality and the difference - a hard trick to pull off and get it right! Editors arrive - note that things work different in The Teahouse - interface
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about it, as well as courage to show that for some different ways are better ways to make Wiki better. I fear that some do not grasp that the
Teahouse is about empowering editors to produce content and not about changing how wiki content is formatted - delivered - looks on the page. In fact no matter
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Does that have anything to do with my inability to find a place to ask my question? Just to clear things up, and prevent further such incidents, I am not a complete moron. There is no need to continue assuming I mistook my desktop computer for my cell phone, as I did not, the screen on my desktop is
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I can 100% guarantee you that
Heather was not calling you a liar; she was referring to the technical ability to use that box, as it relies on browser features (beyond those used by the rest of Knowledge (XXG)) that aren't always usable on mobile devices. As for the issues themselves, well, I believe
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You might just ask me, instead of talking about me, as if, well, as if I am not telling the truth, or as if I am only worthy of talking about, not with. I have done nothing but read directions and admonishments not to do anything wrong on Knowledge (XXG). For the past week. It would be impossible to
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so that it hopefully will be easier to fix these problems quickly in future. If you see a bad question, first click the '...see another question' link to remove the offending item from public view, then go to Questions-recent and copy/paste one of the other (good) ones over it: duplicates are no big
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Ditch, just on your last point, as the editor who wrote the reply I agree with you but as the person posing the question had already used WP:NOTDIR themselves I think that using the same acronym in response was ok. Writing it out in full may have been helpful to other readers but could also be seen
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more helpful to a new editor, because it accurately describes in plain English the cruxt of the policy. I think it is important to do this in all cases with newbies, even if you have to go out of your way to use a format like ]. I remember all the wiki jargon being the most daunting thing to me as
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WOW!!!! This is so awesome, thank you for kindling this spark into a warm blaze! I really like the clear call to action and how smoothly it works. Agree, the only odd spot for me is lack of indentation, but I bet someone can solve this. As J-Mo says in a previous section, we should look into how
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I considered doing something like that. Yeah, that would be significantly more complicated. But also, if we did that, there would need to be a respond button for every comment, which likely wouldn't be as simple to look at or use, and I envisioned it crowding the page. With how simple things need to
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Hi everyone! We wanted to let you know that the Teahouse has now entered phase two! Phase two will allow the project to evolve into a more sustainable project and will require community participation to make that happen. We're currently working on the invitation process right now. I encourage you to
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Some seem to have a very narrow view that Knowledge (XXG) is all about the processes they have learned and even become habituated to, and they simply fail to see the bigger picture that such processes are just a means to an end of making high quality Wiki content. I have seen this so many times over
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I have even wondered if there would be so much objection to the Teahouse interface if the remit of Teahouse was to attract and retain editors with Disabilities - one group that simply is missing in the Wiki Land Demographic - Systemic Bias. Of course no one would object to such a project - it would
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It is for me fascinating that the only place such issues have arisen is in the Teahouse itself - when experienced editors have arrived and asked questions. Why they chose to come to the Teahouse seeking answers is an interesting matter in itself. I have taken the lack of evidence in support of some
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I also note how one editor kept changing page content to cover their tracks - and was even stating under the misused Rfc's "I need your opinions". They seemed to object when I asked why they were using the personal pronoun "I" rather than "Knowledge (XXG) needs? using the I need does imply some form
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Don't forget that when Hosts leave notices for Teahouse users full Wiki practices are followed, and notices go to the bottom of a talk page. Teahouse users when communicating outside of the Teahouse follow the that practice too. So if you can point to incidence when wiki best practice have not been
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Can you point to instances where editors have been getting matters wrong because of the practice, here at the Teahouse? I'm used to dealing with change, even at a cultural or institutional level, so I do grasp the concerns that I have seen raised many times - But I can't find the evidence that shows
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Two people immediately directed him to ANI! This was despite the fact that the new editor had been blocked for edit warring with the other editor to add unsourced content, and had also called him a "loser". Directing the new editor to ANI under these circumstances would've guaranteed him a gaggle of
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setting rather than one-on-one mentorship. That's why our main space is a Q&A board where questioners can benefit from multiple perspectives on their question and anyone can join in on discussions and offer guidance, even other new editors. That said, please don't hesitate to send Selena and any
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What would people think about creating a couple other exclusions for hostbot invites. I'm fairly certain that the current exclusions are an existing invite and if the user is blocked. I was thinking that the existence of a level 3 or above user warning should also cause the bot to skip the user.
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Oh, I promise you, I did not see any article text in it when I edited; the box, which arose on my mobile device was entirely blank, but I have never edited a blank article; in addition to this, when I edit a talk page, even on my mobile, I can insert special symbols; this option is not available on
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Basically I predict that at some point there will be an unintended consequence of all this good will toward newbies: Maybe a rash of new article creations that fail inclusion policies, or maybe an increase in AIV reports. Maybe a (perceived) failure to seek adequate community consensus on an issue
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Hi Ditch, thanks for stopping by, for the feedback & the praise. The pilot report Nthep linked to has lots of fun findings to peruse. And to answer your specific question: yes, the guest survey did include a question about the helpfulness of the answers. You can see the rating breakdown and the
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I would hope that the question and answers here would not only be helpful to the OP's (OP=original posters of the question), but also to those thinking of asking a new question and reading through the existing threads. Though I don't think that it should be required for a new comer to read through
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I was just saying I wasn't sure if the more complex indentation system would be a requirement for making this a default teahouse gadget (you seem to be saying you don't think that should be a requirement). FYI The reply gadget works as you describe right now, indenting once for all responses, so as
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Ah that'll definitely help, I am still interested as I've been trying to muddle through isolating sections with regex, which I'm terrible at. Thanks! PS. Someone should really add an API method for that -- I realized I'll still need to do the API request to get the edit token and make the edit, and
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I do grasp how some are wary of the Teahouse and how it works. I have welcomed the Teahouse progress reports that show the positive impacts the Teahouse has uncovered, and I also welcome that the reports are not complacent - they are self critical - and no laurels are being sat or rested upon. (Not
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Media-hound your post is thoughtful and I am a person who loves it when someone says show me the evidence. I would go look but following your nasty attack on another user for good faith edits, apparent willful failure to understand you were in the wrong when what happened was explained to you, your
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I'm not sure where the idea came along to make new posts appear at the top but it certainly confounds the expectations of old editors like me. It may be that this is thought to be more user friendly for some reason, but even if that's true, varying what is done everywhere else, will start new users
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Thanks Ryan. I could perhaps have worded the last sentence of my post a little better. I should also point out that the frequent overly-aggressive or overly-negative response at ANI is the fault of the attitudes at ANI, not the fault of the approach of anyone here. But until the overall response to
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I don't see this as yelling. It is important informing, I actually had a discussion with one of the editors about that question on IRC. I do think it was an overly quick response. While it is important to assume good faith, especially here at the teahouse, in a situation like this, more checking
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Good advice. Please feel free to assist with your expertise in tricky situations, it is very welcome. On the other hand, the hosts are doing their best, there is no need to come yell at them for not answering in the way you would have. Respect and courtesy belong in the back of the Teahouse as well
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It looks sleek, but it's pretty confusing for a visitor. Q&A sounds like it's some kind of FAQ, I was surprised to find that that is a forum. The "guests" link seems like it's something guests should click, so therefore I expected the "hosts" link to link to some kind of area that only hosts
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of the new editors who met our current invite criteria (10+ edits in first 24 hours, not blocked, not previously invited). It only amounts to about 60 accounts per day for enwiki, out of the hundreds to thousands of new accounts created every day. We're thinking about experimenting with some lower
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I wouldn't call it a checkered past. 4(?) edits in just as many minutes is all it was. On the topic of inviting L3 warned users, I feel like it makes the Teahouse look bad when an editor is blocked and you see a prominent teahouse invite sitting there. It would be even better if we set it up so
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There's currently a question in the teahouse from an editor who's trying to add a question from a mobile device. The javascript "Add a question" box renders the submit button as inactive unless the text includes 4 tildas (~~~~) for a signature. Since he does not have Tildas on his mobile keyboard,
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trying to mandate any new "clubby" structure. It's just different in superficial ways that hope to be more comfortable for new editors. If making things comfortable for new editors is pointed out as a problem in itself ("don't encourage noobs they'll wreck the place"), that argument is nothing new
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once. I wish there were some practical way to make the indents smarter. One of the bars to that is, the MediaWiki API apparently doesn't allow retrieval of a single section (at least as far as my tests and read of the documentation suggest), even though it does let you "blindly" append text to the
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Oh, no, that's easy as pie. Just add a colon to the front of the text before we submit it. What I'm trying to do right now is detect the maximum level of indentation in the question and then build a thing that lets you choose what level. It's proving to be about as frustrating as I anticipated,
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I've been wondering how we can encourage more of this too! Separating out a space for peer interaction in the Teahouse of some sort seems like a good idea. Another thing that can be done is just make it easier to reply to things in the Q&A thread. In surveys we've seen that about 25% of new
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Well, I was thinking more along the lines of new editors helping each other. The teahouse is laid out to be a Q&A with experienced editors right now, but I envision a forum for new users to also make connections with each other, plus occasional assistance from experienced editors when they see
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to drive people to a none Rfc discussion. Moving content in that manner is recognised as vandalism - but you have disagreed with that too. (Do note that when an Rfc template is removed from a page, it is also removed Wiki wide and from archives too - would hate people to be mislead because that is
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But at the moment I'm finding it very hard to find the patterns or incidence to support the concerns expressed. One of the most interesting patterns I have observed, is editors coming to the Teahouse (newbie and oldie) and placing their question at the bottom of the list of questions - and then it
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I think there's a legitimate possibility that those who get their 10 edits over a 2-4 day period are more likely to continue (and not just because I am one). Many editors who have a flurry of edits on their first day came for one purpose. Editors who take a view days oftentimes have come out of
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After noticing this discussion, I figured I'd throw my two cents in. Perhaps a way of doing this that does not absolutely deny editors the "save" button until they have signed, but still encourages them to sign, could be implemented by modifying this feature. Instead of disabling the save button,
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Didn't feel called out - you made an observation and I responded, that I was the person who made the reply you observed on is co-incidental. It's certainly not a requirement at the Teahouse that new posters check the archives first, you only have to see how many variations on "Why was my article
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I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "the indentation thing being a bar to that", but, I just wanted to say that if a more complex indentation solution doesn't work out, a single indent for all replies in the gadget seems fine to me - new editors will have their replies threaded in from the main
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Ah I see what you mean now. The colons would actually be present in the code as retrieved through the ordinary API method. The "ask" gadget actually relies on the "==" being there, for finding the first level-2 header. If we were retrieving the page through an ordinary HTML request (as opposed to
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She flat out says the box is not an option on mobiles, so, thank you for admonishing me to assume good faith, had she assumed that I was not lying about using a mobile, an assumption of good faith by a regular editor might have set an example that shows better how ypu balue the concept than your
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Since I decided to go for a "response" gadget instead of a mere "change the edit link cosmetics" gadget, it was actually a bit involved. However, as far as implementing globally, it's not really that hard, as long as the right people are behind it. You can see the discussion that was involved in
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Okay... as Sarah said, let's keep this Teahouse-related? Media and Fug: you both have perfectly good talk pages of your ownĀ :) On to the top-posting issue: those of you who still doubt the merits of top-posting should know that I've been commissioned to conduct some usability tests to answer the
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Hi guys. When you go to edit this page you'll see a header that states: "The purpose of this page is to discuss Knowledge (XXG):Teahouse." This thread has heavily detracted from that so I'd ask that any conversation not related to the Teahouse be moved to your talk pages or else where if needed.
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Fuhghettaboutit, whatever personal acrimony you may feel towards Mediahound or anyone else, for whatever reason, please avoid personal remarks against other editors in this forum. Mediahound's reply to this thread was thoughtful and made in good faith. If you don't wish to interact with Teahouse
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be pretty helpful to get the code reviewed before seeking to have it gadgetized. Having Werdna's approval (+possible tweaks) would put weight behind such a request. I'd like to try and get the indent thing working though; I think I may "have a bite" on it, so to speak. I'll report back. Thanks!
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I have taken the concerns of others over the Teahouse Top Down format and been looking carefully for evidence concerning that matter. I saw a comment from one of the Teahouse peeps (can't remember who it was - maybe Heather) that they were convinced there was no problem but lacked the skills or
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not currently using this category for any research purposes, BTW, and don't have any plans to do so. All my tracking for automatic HostBot invites is taking place on the back end. In fact, I just noticed that for some reason the category is no longer being added to HostBot invites... perhaps
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I also received another piece of wonderful advice - If you see and recognise and issue don't assume that other editors ( No matter who they are ) are more qualified than you - and don't defer to their opinion - views - ideas or demands. Act on the issue and let the other editors get it wrong
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where some editors may not have their conduct and misuse of Knowledge (XXG) questioned - and also if an editor has been a member of Knowledge (XXG) for longer than another that in some way means they are to be given power and authority. I received some wonderful advice on that matter - it is
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Trolls. Iām not talking about āOMG u guys r lam-oā trolls, or even the subtle ones. Iām talking about PHD education level trolls that probably have more article contributions than the lot of us combined. Never-the-less they will take pleasure in finding a way to Wikilawyer this project into
2111:- As I have made clear, I have actually been looking at editor history across interactions with the Teahouse to see if there is any discernible pattern to the concerns "You" keep raising. I have to report I have not been able to find them - and I do fear that your further comments are more
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What kind of harm do you think we're doing by inviting users who have been L3 warned? I'd rather cast as wide a net as possible, given what we know about some vandal-fighters' jumpy trigger fingers.Ā :) Also, +1 to what Benzband said. I never knew you had such a checkered past, Ryan! -
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Status-quo. There is an established community of editors that function perfectly well in the murkiness of jargon and ever changing policies/guidelines that govern Knowledge (XXG). For many it is their main hobby, for some their purpose in life. And they like it that way. Resistance is
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I'm going to start work on including newly-autoconfirmed users in the automated invite list starting next Monday. In parallel to that, I'm going to get to work setting up the external watchlist for automated invites that Ryan, Mabdul, Nathan and others have suggested and scoped out
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I second this, "I'm interested in hearing why you think..." Outside perspectives are really helpful for us to create a better Teahouse and fix things that we maybe can't see from the inside. Ultimately all of our efforts are *for* Knowledge (XXG) and the community, not against it.
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knowledge to prove it. That was interesting as I have some 30 years of experience in forensic analysis of data and interface usage. In fact - looking at the remit set out for the interface and then looking at the design reality - it is one of the best interfaces I have ever seen -
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I promise you that it is. That box is just a fancy way of looking at the editing interface; shorn of its bells and whistles, it works exactly the same way as if you had clicked the "Edit" tab and typed your question in (which, incidentally, is a way of getting around the box).
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Okay. I said "raw" meaning the raw wikicode, not like unformatted text or anything. The idea being that you would have a regex for the colons, but obviously the colons aren't on the page as displayed. Do you know of a way of getting around that and/or am I missing something?
5565:. As with the 10-edit-newcomer invites, the results of automated invites to autoconfirmed users will be tracked & reported. I'll post again when I've got this started up: I'd appreciate a few sets of eyes watching for code bugs and for any other unforeseen consequences! -
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Late reply, since you've already scripted up a great 'response' gadget: the code itself is easy, but getting changes to global gadgets implemented is harder; I'm going to ask around and see if we can get a li'l help on that though. Thanks again for doing the legwork. -
2418:" - Funny aint it how you keep finding those red links when idioms from different parts of the world are used - even when it's a supposed common language. Systemic Bias is so insidious - and so many simply have no grasp of their part in it. None so blind as will not see.
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Yes, it is tricky editing on a mobile. I am not using a very sophisticated one, and editing articles is almost impossible, eventually, though after reading piles of words about what not to do, belong accused acting in bad faith and lying, I do hope to ask my question.
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I wouldn't say it was a well-supported decision. I would say it was (and still is) a highly contentious issue, but some of us backed down because we had more important things to worry about, and not because we still don't think its a phenomenally bad thing.
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pitfalls- namely the "secret club" and social media aspect- that I think ultimately led to Esperanza's downfall, despite its good intentions. But I didn't come here to compare the Tea Room to Esperanza, other than to say, for context purposes, that I do see
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Looks good and easy to use, and matches the general feel of the Teahouse. I haven't yet tested it with an actual response, though. I did have one question, but you've just answered it with your "PS". It would be good if someone had a suggestion for that.
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Agreed it's not technically difficult. Would need to pass through code review, tho. And for that it helps to have a friendly dev with the right credibility & credentials. I'm going to corner Werdna at Wikimania and ply him with beer and Tim-Tams. -
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I don't know how complicated it would be, but is it possible to allow you to choose a person to respond to rather than indenting one more than the last? For example, in this edit I am responding to you, but the gadget would have made me respond to Writ
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be any slower and still contribute. Although it seems more likely I will give up or be driven away before I contribute much. I had thought articles, editing, would be more important, and that would benefit from consideration of potential contributors.
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I wanted to clarify a little further: When you make jQueries, you are indeed having it work on HTML output, which doesn't include the colons. The regex, on the other hand, would have to be done within the Ajax function, just after the API hands us the
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I'm not too worried about how we solve the problem, but this is the first time I've seen validation force a signature on wikipedia, we generally prefer to "fix" things rather than "block" them. I'm not keen on putting blockers in the way of anything.
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mobile, is it? I am not sure adding a button is quite the right solution, but if we decide to do it we can ask our lovely friend who made the gadget, no need to ask at the helpdesk. Let's decide as a group before taking action, what do you think?
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I just realized you said "raw", I'd be interested to hear why you think that would make this easier. (PS. Should we move this discussion to one of our talk pages rather than bother people here with a jargony techie discussion?)
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deal as one might think, in terms of performance issues (I had the same apprehension at first until I realized what the "ask" gadget was doing each time). PS. I'm going to add the single colon to each response for now.
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I thought that was a more current comment but stand on it. I came here today to say I had noticed where another new user was invited for tea, and I immediately regarded this as a very thoughtful and worthwhile project.
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much larger, in fact the keyboard is bigger than my mobile. I am discussing the functionality of the interfaces, you are trying to nitpick me to death. You are doing well in the task. All of you. I have to give up.
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The thing about asking questions on the Teahouse is that it is functionally identical to editing an article. In a very real sense, by asking a question on the Teahouse, you are editing the Teahouse questions page.
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On the front page of the Teahouse, the randomly displayed hosts includes people who are currently in the Host Breakroom, and doesn't include people who are currently hosts. Any objections to me updating the list at
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The stuff indented in italics would be the added code to make this happen, with pageText being the new variable where the complete retrieved wikitext would be. I hope this is clear enough but let me know.
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I noticed that the reports mentioned that editors didn't know where to edit. Perhaps we could make a page where hosts and guests can list projects that they would like assistance with/collaboration on.
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question with a click of a button (which feels like the most important thing) to distinguish it as a reply, and more experienced editors could still use the edit button to create more levels if needed.
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3. The template for HS does not include a slot for the website for the school's Foundation. a) should it and b) is there a way to put something in an infobox that there is not a slot for? Thank you
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Thanks for updating it. I generally try to do it but with Wikimania and other travel things it's been tough. Thanks Moswento! (I know J-mo wants to automate it, but it's low priority right now!).
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Related: There should probably be a somewhat easy way to remove deleted questions from the rotating recent question display on the main teahouse page. Digging down it seems these are stored at
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I see that some of these review requests are months old. I simply don't feel confident to perform a review myself, but for those of you who do, please stop by and give feedback there. Thanks. ā
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expertise leaves much to be desired (there are also other issues with adding that functionality). If anyone wants to help with that let me know. Right now responses are not indented at all.
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Ah yes your right. I suggested that the Teahouse and the Article creation wizard be added so thats probably where the wizard came from...Not to be confused with Harry and his friends.Ā :-)
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than dealing with evidence you, and some other editors, simply don't like. It's odd, that you should welcome such research and then dismiss it because you don't like the person doing it.
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similarities, and I am sorry to say I am not overly optimistic about the "staying power" of this endeavor (it is my prediction that the community will inevitably turn on it), though I do
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You state that you like proof, so here are some Diffs. I welcome the proof that other editors have not agreed with your views, and not agreed to support a particular editor misusing Rfc.
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be kept here, my view is that it's not essential for those who would be using this feature (non-technical new users) to be able to do more than add a comment to the end of the section.
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group who think Wiki Land can be so much better for all editors, and make Wiki Land and also Wiki Content better. We just do it in a less dogmatic and technocratic manner than others.
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ignored your opinions and views that this editors conduct was correct and beyond reproach - and I should apologise for questioning their conduct and asking them to stop vandalising?
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there is an option to see "Recent questions" below "Ask a question right nowĀ Ā»". And I see the question is 18 days old, and no direct link to the answer. When I click on the option "
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I've made a change to the links (prior to the bigger changes coming later). The thinking here is that they should imply their action and be similar in structure. Thoughts welcome.
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I used code from the "ask a question" gadget as a base, both because it made things easier and so that things would look fairly uniform. Test it out and let me know your thoughts.
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No, it is not. Asking a question does not consist of editing existing text, it consists of using the box that I said I used on mobile and Heather said did not exist on mobile.
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I have received a number of pointed comments and decided to let them lie - but getting such comments privately by e-mail is not the same as them being made across wiki pages.
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Hi all! Perfect timing since we are in the middle of a redesign (more of a re-org). When you say you like it, do you mean the new names for things? Thanks for the input!
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that may be of interest to the participants of this project, given their commitment to the improvement of atmosphere on Knowledge (XXG). Please come and check it out!
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deleted or rejected at Knowledge (XXG):Articles for creation?" have been answered to see that we have managed so far to avoid any "please see previous" type answers.
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to add a link to this Wizard on the left hand nav bar. Please feel free to comment about the idea.
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Nope, go for it. It needs to be manually updated as things change, which is a giant pain. :P
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them for being so nice and explaining things so promptly and clearly. That is truly awesome!
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for not accepting your wrong opinion and even pointing out where you were wrong?
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I've said my piece J-Mo. This is a one-off. The next time I will simply be mute.--
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Can you add more details of your experience (browser, etc). It works fine for me.
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Perhaps Teahouse links should be placed in many of the various welcome messages.
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Yes I think some small tweaks might be able to address several of the UI issues.
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Thanks, guys. I guess I'll leave it alone on that user's page, then. --
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I'll jump on it... Just noticed I haven't done so since July 7th. --
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That there are no questions for quite some time. Anything broken?
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Are you sure about that? It is a hidden category and I see it on
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I've put in a query at the help desk to help solve the issue. See
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Potential problems and suggestions have not been answered:
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Men with big penises should not be allowed to edit articles
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Nauseous, you bet, but I will not feed you more. The end.--
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additional automatic inviting... fingers crossed. -
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3644:Some observations, a comment, and a suggestion
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5145:Suggestion to add the Teahouse to the sidebar
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3183:+1 million. Fantastic job! Thanks so much!!
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2663:Knowledge (XXG):The Cure for WikiBoredom
110:. I have been contacted by a new user,
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5280:Let's set up a bot to recruit them for
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2435:it does exactly what is says on the tin
2281:Knowledge (XXG):You_don't_own_Wikipedia
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2204:Hmmm - I note that other editors also
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4056:Category:Wikipedians looking for help
3750:Knowledge (XXG):Teahouse/Pilot report
3681:WP:Knowledge (XXG) is not a directory
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2256:I have to wonder why you see me as
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2600:Don't forget - we're the Teahouse!
2185:That editor was misusing Rfc's to
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1121:Happy Sinhala & Tamil New Year
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2604:Here is your gentle reminder -
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5869:Knowledge (XXG):Teahouse/Links
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1039:The 12 Days of Knowledge (XXG)
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3392:moved this continuation from
3242:I appreciate all the kudosĀ :)
1568:Knowledge (XXG):Editor review
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5149:I submitted a suggestion at
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1623:No, your not alone thereĀ ;)
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