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category off of the userbox's MFD. To accomplish that, a little note could be added on CFD (much like how WikiProjects are notified when one of the articles or cats they maintain comes up for discussion). This would be recommended and a courtesy, but lack of such notice would not be a "technicality" that should result in a deletion decision being nullified. Similarly, a linking message could be added to TFD if desired, just to let folks know that the discussion is going on. I'm thinking some kind of nightly bot run could note any new userbox MFDs and post the two link messages to CFD and TFD. That way, no additional effort is required on the part of the submitter. That leaves us with one place to go for all userbox discussions, and yet those who primarily only monitor CFD/TFD will be notified
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nominations but can't remember the last time I participated at TfD. Whether a particular userbox is in the template namespace or user namespace is often a matter of chance and splitting discussions between two venues isn't the best idea. I know that it means that different template space items get discussed at two different venues (so, Technical 13, there's no need to make that comment after my contribution, we've got that message now and repeating your point isn't going to make it any more convincing), but in the absence of any evidence that this is actually causing a problem I don't see any reason to change. Incidentally, has notice of this proposed change been given to WP:MFD, as it ought to have been? I can't see anything at
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change because that's the way its always been done. Where that comment becomes relevant is that we seem to be expending a lot of energy on an issue that we frankly shouldn't even have. That this discussion is arguing over userboxes, most of which are crap anyway and should be deleted outright with appropriate malice, is just par for the course in Wiki. All my point really is though is that we ought to make this process as easy and painless as possible. Things in template space should go to RFD, things in
Category space should go to CFD, articles to AFD and every thing else to MFD. I just think splitting templates into three or more directions is madness and there must be an easier way.
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should be discussed where the rest of the userboxes are discussed. A common test in TfD is, "What practical need does the encyclopedia have for this template?" The answer to this question for many userboxes is weak. Userboxes that help developers of userscripts, event coordinators, or others, may stay, but many would need userfication or deletion. I think "templates" in project or user space should rarely be discussed at TfD. MfD provides a venue for non-encyclopedic "templates" and other pages in gray areas. If we ever decided to move userboxes out of
Template: space, it may work to discuss anything in template space at TfD, but for now, this exception seems to be needed.
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are still userboxes. I think it is that very difference that tends to upset (or outright piss off) editors around here. Templates do serious, useful, and/or helpful stuff. Userboxes are fun, silly, informative, inane, and/or offensive. They have a lot in common, but since their purpose is fundamentally different, they need to be judged by different criteria. MFD is for the miscellaneous stuff on the wiki, and that's certainly what userboxes are. I do not see the need to discuss related categories in CFD
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1793:. Nobody questioned this rule for several years. There seems to be no mass confusion of editors not having read/not able to follow it: only the occasional editor, who just learns to roll with it. And then suddenly, a wild RfC appears! Without any other discussion beforehand. Why? Because it "doesn't seem or feel correct" for one editor.
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other dumb shit. If people want to have one that says something actually useful like they speak X language, can program in x language or that they are a male or female for the sake of clarity that's fine. But most of the rest of the are just a waste of bytes on the server and should be done away with IMO.
1955:- They are asking for education. When I first became involved in TFD, it took me a few weeks of reading through discussions before I figured out some of this stuff. Contradictions and long arguments don't make it easy. The notices pull in people who may not have much time to research this before !voting.
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It should be noted that either way we are not keeping things together. On one side we are keeping userboxes together and on the other we are separateing 3 different types of templates into different places. Some go to TFD, some go to MFD and some go to CFD. Do you have any idea how confusing that is
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I currently use watchlists, myself, but prefer being notified. On the other hand, it is sometimes difficult to search out who to notify, and the template is tagged for many to see. Maybe notifying at least one user or project that contributed most significantly in recent time would be a good policy?
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article, which was moved following the subject's coming out as transgender, then moved back, then frozen for 30 days. I think that casual readers should be made aware that the article's title is currently in dispute, rather than presenting on the surface an endorsement of the status quo ante. Thank
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As long as the creator isn't banned, there is really no excuse for not notifying them. Particularly on older pages, the major contributors and relevant wikiprojects should be notified as well. In the case of templates and images the talk pages of where they are used should be notified as well. It's
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Plastikspork a question about it. The discussion gives no clues, as no reason for the suggestion is given there except that the template is not used in many articles, which isn't a sufficient reason in my book. Even if the discussion was six months ago, noone has done anything about it
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Obviously people who a) love userboxes, and b) people who hate having stinking userboxes cluttering up three different discussion categories.Ā :-) It's a worthwhile discussion if something positive comes out of it. However, if we let snarky and rude comments derail the discussion, then it will have
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the category is used in more ways or by more things than a single (or batch of related) userboxen. So, if a cat and a ubx are intimately and exclusively related (monogamous?), then MFD is all that is needed. However, anyone who notices that a category has other purposes should be able to split the
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For the record, I am in favour of the status quo. Changes like that need a better justification than that the current rule set "doesn't seem or feel correct" for some particular editor. It just so happened that MfD evolved to hold discussions about userspace content, while TfD deals with templates
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All userboxes should be discussed at the same place to keep results consistent. MfD makes the most sense IMO as it deals with those types of problems more often (where TfD is largely focused on article space as far as I can tell). And yes, as
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Yes, I think so. But the bolded question seems deliberate. Would this keep userspace userboxes as MfD? I wouldn't like that at all; all userboxes should be discussed in the same deletion venue, regardless the namespace in which they're hosted. As userboxes are templates that can reside in template
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where URL parsing has to be changed wholesale. Bivouac is also no longer an authoritative source for various reasons and on many things, including fake "official" names and deletions of ranges and their replacement by prominence regions; I know this from my experiences as Senior
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I agree with Hobit's comment that "All userboxes should be discussed at the same place to keep results consistent." This is because those who participate in MfD discussions are not always going to be the people who participate in (or close) TfD discussions - for example, I discuss and close MfD
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The problem is that you wouldn't take your car to a pizza shop to have the brakes fixed, you would take it to a garage; on the same note, templates should be taken to the forum with the most people that understand how templates work. Taking them to a "general" forum like MfD results in mostly
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I am aware that part of a TfD closure involves ensuring minimum fallout - for instance, closure as "merge" means that the merged-to template needs to recognise all the parameters of, and provide all the functions of, the merged-from template - but that does not seem to be common knowledge.
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I'm a big fan of keeping things easy for new users. But how many new users are there that are messing with templates? I'd think keeping userbox results consistent is more important. Is my intuition wrong and are there lots of new users playing with templates and getting involved in TfD?
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You are right and those anonymous editors are out of line. Those images serve no useful purpose in identifying the subject matter. If somebody were to add those to
Toronto or Montreal navboxes I might hesitate, but not in this case. Images should not just be inserted randomly - anywhere.
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there are people who appear to be !voting "keep" purely because the TfD notice upsets page formatting. It also concerns me that several others are under the impression that if the TfD closes as anything other than "keep", then one or more of the following will occur:
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more than just politeness, it's basic fairness to ensure that the deletion discussion has access to all the facts. I have thousands of pages on my watchlist and so its very easy to miss some things, particularly when my recent attention has been on other areas.
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There is no practical difference between a userbox in template space and a userbox in user space, so they should all be nominated at the same venue. Whether that is MFD of TFD is of less relevance, but I'm not aware of any problems with the status quo.
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templates at the same place too, but the reasons for deletion for userboxen (templates or not) is generally quite different than the reason for deleting templates in general, but much closer to standard MfD discussions.
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from making a change. Why is there no link to a recent discussion in the nomination? Per the excellent "who gives a shit" analysis below, an RfC should not be called over such nonsense.
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Do I like it? Those are very bad reason to keep or delete things on Knowledge (XXG)... There are essays and policies advising against these things such as
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The "I like it" and "I don't like it" pages existed before userboxes did.
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This is the English Knowledge (XXG) and not the German Knowledge (XXG).
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If it's not a keep or a quick delete then it's going to end up in the
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I would like to join the cadre of people who give very few shits.
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This just seems like where these nominations belong to me.
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Warren Cuccurullo#1980ā1986: The Missing Persons years
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since what the guide said to do before didn't work. --
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would need to exist wherever userboxes are discussed.
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