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contrast, see the list to the right of the page for different theories of crime.) In the History section, there is attribution, but it deals in a very cursory way with the early modern period (a key period) in a few sentences, before going on to discuss extensively one type (amongst many) of modern theory of crime, not a history of the social development of crime per se in that era, which was the main topic of the section. How modern approaches to crime began to be institutionalized in the 18th century is not discussed. A number of key perspectives are omitted, such as Foucault's poststructuralist analysis of the development of modern disciplinary regimes. And, in the article as a whole, I saw little Marxist or Feminist analysis nor did I see a Frankfurt school perspective nor an environmental criminology perspective. (These are distinct and common notable perspectives on crime and social problems.) I saw little or nothing about white collar crime, corporate crime, war crimes, hate crimes, crimes of passion, or organized crime (though there are links at the bottom to some of these). I didn't see discussions of social processes that shape crime such as patterns of abuse or racial profiling (though links may be there at bottom as there are wikipedia articles on some of these topics). These are serious omissions, which point to the mostly rationalistic, individualistic bias of view of the article -- one perspective among many. The section on "Trial" returns to presenting an unattributed POV generalization. And, I'm not sure that this approach to trials, lifted out of context of the whole criminal justice system, belongs in a Crime article. Next, the outline list that is most of "Reasons" section is unclear and overgeneralized. The closing section on "Classification" is solely U.S.-centric (POV issue again), and seemed to me a poorly presented summary of that. For an overview article, this version has multiple problems. The article has POV issues. It is very uneven and not clearly constructed in general outline and within some sections.
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version). We have several of these LAALSH type lists in the intro to the Core topics page, though I confess I was not familiar with WP:VA, thank you for showing me that! (Can I suggest you add in GAs as well?) What we plan to do (I think!) is to have a top level of core topics, then under those come a list of 1000 such as that at WP:VA. Underneath those will come other important articles that will probably be a combination of FAs and articles nominated by individuals and WikiProjects, leading to perhaps 2-3000 for a trial release. We will be re-contacting the WikiProjects again soon to get their lists of key articles.
2519:. You call that "basic"? Yowza. I really don't mean to be harsh, and I apologize if I offend with any of my comments, but the list needs a major overhaul before it can be considered a reliable guide to the "core topics" of Knowledge (XXG); the only realistic justification for not committing to such an overhaul is the arbitrary assumption that old additions are more likely to be good "core topics" than new additions, which experience has demonstrated (and is demonstrating again now) is often an unreliable assumption. 2560:
general yet relevant, and any such list can be regarded as biased. This is based on my experience of looking at many lists, assessing "core" articles and discussing list changes with many others over the last nine months. I would have come up with a very different list if I had written the core list myself, but I don't think it would have been any better, and it's rather refreshing to work on a project with a different perspective than my own.
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plus WP:FA, unlike WP:GA, is a community-approved policy/guideline with numerous mirrors on foreign Wikipedias, which is important for an Interwiki-focused project. I could certainly list the GAs on a separate page, of course, though one problem is that WP:VA and LAALSH aren't yet very stable and have had relatively few editors working on them, so I'd expect a list of GAs to change very rapidly in the next few days.
514:(which may or may not be topics for inclusion). Before proposing again modifying the table by additions and deletions, I was going to wait until discussions about a working preliminary categorization scheme had ended, which are taking some time. Revising the content of the core topics list is an important issue if we are wanting to use the core topics list to focus editing work on the most general articles. -- 389:- that sounds a tad too subjective. What topics we do or don't have WikiProjects on (and obviously which ones certain editors nominate) is often arbitrary, and reflects Knowledge (XXG)'s editorial and systemic biases in many areas (e.g. where we have WikiProjects for certain U.S. states, but none for most countries in the world). If you're careful with which articles get in, though, could work. 2333:. As you can see from my comments of a few days ago, I had listed many of the articles you mention for the supplement. Your listing here is an excellent list of articles we "must have" on the CD. I think I would support virtually all of them going into that supplement, which will almost guarantee their inclusion in WP:V0.5. Anything other than incremental changes to our list would open 251:, which similarly seeks to craft a list of especially basic and essential topics (though its list tends to be more expansive and specific in certain ways). I've noticed a lot of very strange decisions, in terms of both what's there and what isn't, for the two lists, so lately I've been trying to revitalize that project with some new ideas, but the editor deficiency on Meta and 566:
review. If it hasn't been done already, think we eventually need or would benefit from at least the above level of "written up" review (especially when revised beyond rough draft form) for all core topics and eventually vital articles (top 1000 articles). Specialist reviews would be even better, when possible. Comments? --
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agree on what's in and what's not, we can get the bot to handle the table. I think Tito has started getting the automation started for the main core topics table. Obviously the supplement table needs a LOT more work. By the way, my exams are over, just marking to do then I'll have a bit more time.
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does serve (perhaps inappropriately) as a general portal function, in part (rather incompletely again and with much less text than crime). (I'll revise this review rough draft and move it over to the crime talk page--later.) I wonder if part of the function of Criminology could be moved to Crime with
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at all basic, and there's a clear bias towards certain topics over other topics (e.g., a very large portion of the list is concerned with human recreation, economics, and business, vs. very little on many other areas of encyclopedic topics and fields of knowledge). I'd be fine with helping carve down
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because it's not. Furthermore, the God article is actually pretty mediocre, though I agree that it's better than the deity one right now (which shouldn't matter). A list like this should determine what articles we improve to FA quality; what articles we already have at FA quality shouldn't determine
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I spent a long time reviewing your earlier comments, and on the basis of your comments and those of Vir, I made the (more modest) proposal listed above a week or two back. I think you raised some important things, and many have now been incorporated after a period of discussion and negotiation. At
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are currently marked "Good Articles", but I think that adding GA icons to the page itself at this point would clutter things up a bit too much, and wouldn't provide as clear a distinction as there is between FA and non-FA. Best to keep things relatively simple (and thus much easier to keep updated);
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talk page. I'm very interested in seeing a top 1000 (or so) article list which is collectively refined, according to some sort of editorial debate of what are general priorities and principles for core article improvement and organization. So, I'm going to go over to VA and see what's up. Thanks for
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That's great! I was going to suggest we did it, but you've already done that! I think we need to re-assess every article - remember that these assessments are mostly over 6 months old now. I'll post requests for the other Core Topics team members to help out with this, and to add in the template
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If the consensus is "yes" then I will create a list starting with my list from above, and then I will ask people to edit that list, rather than getting into a detailed discussion on a list of 53 articles here. If you have strong views like "No people articles at this level" that's OK here, though.
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space, not out of it, for example, just like all planets do; it is our perspective, not an objective fact, which makes it otherwise.) However, "outer space" might be appropriate if we are planning, for example, to have 1,600 entries, rather than the 160 that the page currently specifies. It's all a
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We could use tags (formats) for failed GA review and removed from GA list. We may also want tags for failed FA review and dropped from FA list (and candidates for such). If the later, we might need a 3rd column to note FA failed and removed tags as an article could be GA & failed or removed FA.
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Yes, I simply copied over all of the suggestions from various talk pages and pasted them into the page. I started assessing the first few, so that Silence could understand better what I was doing (and could maybe help out?). I also wanted to set it up in the style that the bot can read. Once we
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This is excellent work, Vir, I'm glad you took a look at this. I would suggest you do some major rewriting of that page some time. We will have to include GAs in our beta tests, but maybe things will need to be tightened up a bit before we can rely on them for the "official" 1.0 release. That's
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In general, based on looking over many GA articles, I don't think we can rely on the GA rating system for selecting articles to publish in a final fixed media versions, though for beta versions with disclaimers that is fine. But, we can use that system to be looking at articles for improvemetn and
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One editing approach: The various key missing topics and extensive POV issues could perhaps could be addressed if Crime were turned into portal article lifting short summaries from other existing articles and pointing to these topics (and to a separate more well developed history article). On this
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Regarding the Core Topics, we chose to stick with the basic list rather than get into endless debate about whether or not some particular article should be delisted. When it comes down to such detail, it really gets very subjective. However, we often substitute one thing for some closely related
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Your visit is very timely, as I think we are at least considering expanding our list beyond the initial group. It would be great if you (Silence) and Vir + others were to agree on a set for WP:VA, as I think we hope to use a list very much like this before we publish (certainly for the first full
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list. I've edited the VA list a bit. It seems the core topics here are rather static for the time being. I suggested additions of some very basic general topics to this core topics list in the last month or two and there wasn't much support for acting on those ideas, at this time. Maybe that will
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Based on discussions and points above at the end of the "GA-Class tag -- how to use?" discussion string and based on my experience working with data, I added a new column to distinguish between GA/FA status and 1.0 A/B ect. class. The review processes are quite inconsistent. We don't want to loose
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We had been trying to limit the no. of articles to the 150-160 range, right since 2004, so the changes you propose would change the whole scope of this project. I notice too that many of your articles are more "specific" than our current listing - our general approach has been to have very broad
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article and a few other sections read like a poorly written text book in summarizing some views of crime. Only one definition of crime is presented in summary at the top of the "why criminalize" section, without defining it as a point of view. This is a misleading sort of POV generalization. (For
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Then I think we will have to agree to disagree. I really like your list, though, and I would like to enlist your help in assessing a supplement based on them. :To me, it doesn't matter if we call them "List X" and "List Y", I don't think any list can really be both fundamental and yet usable,
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Regarding the current table edit (which I proofed 3 times), the new column can be deleted by reverting the page. But, I think the extra column will allow us to easily check for A-class articles which are not GA and B-class that are GA, easing our clean up and evaluation process. Dates on last
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This would be one level below the core itself, covering lesser "top level" subjects (mainly fairly general or abstract) and also some important subjects that are very important but less general. The following could be a start, and I have included many that are displaced from the core:
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Thanks for your detailed comments. I agree about the inconsistency of the core topics. In playing around with categories, I made several different category outlines. One of these outlines is a 5-level category tree that includes most of the core topics (and some suggested additions):
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Yes, I agree, though I'm not sure how to actually organise that. VA could organise that, only that project is not very active. WVWP will be coordinating the still further levels via contact with projects and with the bot, that may be the best place for subject-specific info.
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has made it impossible to find much productive discussion or interest. This place, on the other hand, seems more active. So, (1) where's the proper place to recommend new articles and to dispute the inclusion or form of certain existing ones (e.g.,
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I've been curious for a little while now, about whether there would be any possibility of fruitful cross-pollination between this project and the (lately rather inactive, but a good resource to draw from in many ways nonetheless) Interwiki endeavor
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in the supplement, the former is a much stronger article (GA, former FAC)." - God is a type of deity, ergo deity is a higher-level entry than deity, and thus more important from an unbiased perspective. Arguing otherwise is like arguing that
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Knowledge (XXG) already has a few "core topics" types of lists that mainly differ by the number of articles included. I've been thinking it could make sense for them all to have a naming system and a template to connect them.
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few articles related to the natural world? The current list is so warped that it is nearly useless, and its criteria are clearly arbitrary and inconsistently applied, as demonstrated by the fact that we are OK with including
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this point, I don't think it would be fruitful to hold a long discussion on this new (long!) list which would end in the conclusion, "We have to agree to disagree." I also think that once these topics are incorporated into
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topics at the top of the tree, that gradually get more specific as we fo down. Therefore we can have Industry, Manufacturing and Finance in place, and below that in the organisational tree we can have articles like
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5 articles are rated GA but also B-class in our table. This might be cleaned up by another 1.0 review; but it might be a problem with GA-review. (Note: there were 6 such conflicts in our table until review of
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I have trawled through all of the (often insightful) comments by others above, reflected on them, added a few thoughts of my own, and I would like to propose the following changes to our core topics list:
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That would actually be helpful to know. As numbers of articles on the GA list goes up (and the list is growing daily) and more start to move over to FA, this info would become more an issue.
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The net change to the core would be to reduce the overall number by two articles. There are 53 articles listed as a start for the supplement, I expect this would grow as others add things in.
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Thanks for the kind responses! I'm glad you guys are so open to new input despite having so much work done already, and look forward to working together on these distinct but related endeavors.
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Thanks for your energy, and I hope you won't be away too long. I understand about priorities, that's why I haven't been able to do so much here as I would like recently! All the best,
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As most of you know, I personally don't have strong view on these issues, but I think the above changes would be useful to WP:1.0. I am trying to put together a core of articles for
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was removed from the GA list. We retain our B-class rating by using two columns. With one column, at best, there is the entry of removed from GA list. Now we have both evaluations. --
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Other things. I will be taking a break from making regular contributions in this group for a few months or longer. Talk to you later or see you in other Knowledge (XXG) spaces. --
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I'd question the inclusion of Blair, but if you are going to include not only people but people from such recent history, it would seem to be a bit serious-minded to exclude
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a very, very short list of truly essential and general topics, but the current one here seems deficient in that respect in a number of ways. For example, y'all list
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Thanks, I'll drop by from time to time. I'm going to focus on WP review processes and issues for now. As 1.0 ramps up, I might be a more frequent visitor.Ā :) --
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The table makes it hard for me to review the supplement suggestions. Only a few can be seen at a time, so it is hard to consider context and relativity.
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Crime focusing on being a portal to types and history of crime and Criminology focusing on theories, methods, and history of that discipline.
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I'd rather see the list shorter than longer. (It'd be nice to have a round 150.) But if we're going to add, I'm leaning toward:
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evaluation are needed too, in the far right column. We'll need this comparison process at least for awhile. Comments? --
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a C rating (if we had one), because of POV and lack of generalization issues, by the 1.0 core topics rating system.
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I would see the next level as having 200 - 500 entries. (Not sure either way about the biographies at the moment.)
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information about our A/B ratings when coding GA status. I sorted the data into appropriate columns. Consider:
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instead, Maurreen & I both agreed to that. We just never got around to switching that one! Many thanks,
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I'm going to answer you in a couple of parts, but it's easier for me to separate them in different sections.
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change with ongoing discussion. One can always float ideas. ... Oh, what is the LAALSH project (link)?
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was removed.) Two of the articles were re-classified as B-class; Natural disaster remains A-class.
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I've done one change to the assessment scale, and to keep discussion at one place, see the main
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I've created this page, and started assessing Silence's list. Please help out when you can!
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If you disagree with a specific proposal, mention it here, and make suggestions as needed.
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above) that Library & Info Science wasn't a good choice, and Vir had suggested
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instead - I notice Silence prefers ocean, should we go back to that?
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Should we make the above changes to the main core topics list?
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Vir
23:22, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Demographics
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Vir
20:33, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

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