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correct name, through the apex body of their tribes. These apex bodies of the Paite, Vaiphei, Zou, Tedim, Simte, Kom, Mate, Gangte, Thangkhal all have officially embrace Zomi, and comes under the ZOMI COUNCIL. The main proponent of Kuki as of today is the Thadou (although some Thadou speakers rejected the very term Thadou, and maybe that is also part of the reason for their desire to remain Kuki). During the 1950s "Chin" became popular, and there was the movement for Chin Reunification. Paite being the prominent tribe was naturally at the forefront of the movement. That is the reason why the Paite have been associated with being the proponet of Chin during that time. However, they soon realize their true identity, and from the 1970s the movement for Zomi reunification gained momentum. The Zomi National Council was born during this time. During this whole time, the Kuki fold was dominated by the Thadou, and till today the Thadou speakers stick with Kuki. Partly this was because of the political leverage the name Kuki could afford in their fight for statehood, due to its historical affiliation. Even the president of the Kuki National Organisation, recently said that the (ZO) people in Manipur should fight together under the name Kuki because they (the ZO people) have been known by that name, and that gives them leverage, however upon achieving their goal (satehood), he would not hesitate to call it Zogam (Land of ZO).

4705:"Zo people find it very difficult to accept a name other than the one they call themselves. The Lusei and related clans who were ab- sorbed under the Sailo chiefs accepted Mizo as their designation, and the name of the former Lushai Hills District was changed to Mizo District at India's independence. The Indian government did not like Mizoram, because they feared that ram (land) would mean ownership of the land. Only at the creation of the Union Territory did India accept the name Mizoram. The term Mizo covers all Zo people, as does Zomi and Laimi, according to their respective users. Zomi is a designation used by the Paite, a people whose men wore a hair knot at the back of their head. Laimi is used by the Lais in Haka areas, in Falam and in parts of Matupi. For the Lais to accept Zo as a name is especially difficult, because they call their southern neighbours Zo; a people they regard as uncultured and uncivilized. Zo students in Rangoon seem to accept Zomi as the common name, Zo people often call themselves Thlangmi. Khalangmi or Khangmi. meaning I Hillmen. The word Khlang or Khang should not he confused with Khyang. and they produce the "Zomi Students Magazine" for students who are Asho, Sho, Lai, Paite and Lusei. Mizo is accepted by all in Mizoram and other adjoining destricts, including the Lusei in the Kale-Kabaw valleys." 4368:

concept of the people being descendants of “Zo”. There are numerous historical records, cultural and traditional practices in support of this proposition. It is undeniable fact that, the people whom others called as Chin, Kuki or Lushai are one community. Any person who truly understands this fact would never create noises or pursue divisive policy. Yet, we should also understand that, (i) most of the divisions within the Zo people today are not their own creation, but a British legacy carried forward by different states (nation-state); (ii) there exist unequal level of political consciousness among the Zo people - some are engrossed with clan or tribe-level politics whereas some have pursued national politics, some might have enjoyed statehood status whereas some of them are struggling for survival, some may find it more convenience to use the “given names” in politics whereas some are advocating the use of “indigenous names”". Some editors are saying that the Zo or Zou are just a part of the Zomi, but these organisations equate them. To repeat again what the convenor of the 3rd World Zomi National Convention said, "there is no ambiguity between Zomi and Zo people. Literally, Zo + Mi are Zo + People, so is with Mi + Zo,". Do you agree with this or not?

4527:"Despite the prevalence of 'given* alien significrs such as 'Kuki*. 'Chin*, 'Lushai* and recent indigenous self-identifiers, namely 'Zomi' and 'Mizo', a common identity label still seems to be elusive in their socio- economic, cultural and political praxis. The inability to popularise labels" The formation of the Zomi National Congress (ZNC) under the leadership of T. Gougin, a Zou, at Daizang village in January 1972 was an- other epochal moment in redefining Zo pan-tribe identity for two reasons: («) it was an attempt to transcend the post-colonial state's 'tribe' category, namely 'Zou' and construct a 'national' identity which would encompass all the Zo 'tribes'; and (h) it represented a purported national organisation formed from what Vumson (n.d.: 309) calLs a 'clan perspective*. This was evident when Gougin, in explicating the idea of 'Zomi', unabashedly opposed it to 'Mizo'. Gougin asserted that 'Zomi' was the 'only correct name* and denied the validity of 'Mizo' as an authentic label that captured the national identity of the Zo on the ground that it made poor 'grammatical* sense (Gougin 1995: 164)." 4838:

contending name for the entire group. While some group promote one and reject the others, so is the case with all these collective names Kuki or Zomi or Mizo or Chin. These promoting of one name and rejecting the others are due to the deep emotional, sentimental and psychological association and attachment the people have with these particular names, and also in order to have some political leverage, because these names have been given to them by outsiders and known as such. However one thing all these groups accepts and knows, whether they promote Kuki or Chin or Mizo or Zomi, is that they are all descendants/or they belong to ZO (spelling is not the issue here). As I said, the common name let's hope will eventually emerge, however meanwhile we don't have to (re)direct a page intended for encompassing the whole group to a page which is just for one constituent group of the larger group, as this does not do any justice either to the larger encompassing group, or the smaller group.

4118:""The convention is going to be the best opportune moment for the Zo descendants living in different parts of the world to come together and deliberate on their future social, political, and economist set up…" That actually contradicts what you've said above. The Zomi Council does not represent all the tribes and is regional. The Paite, for instance, variously identify themselves as Mizo, Chin or Kuki. "In 1956, under the list of tribes recognised and scheduled by the Government of India in Manipur, the tribes who were known asKukis' petitioned to be known according to their own distinct tribe name, which was granted to them, so in all 33 tribes, with their distinct tribe names came into existence, the Paite tribe was one of them. The Paites are the fifth largest tribe in Manipur." Your view is one among a number of views - it looks as though you are representing the Zomi Council view. Our articles need to represent all views. The Zomi article used to represent only your view. 3359:

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majority Buddhist groups like the Arakanese, Mons, Shans and lowland Karens--were turned off by the British disrespect and disregard for the (collective) Burmese culture. (E.g., the British and foreigners wearing shoes on Buddhist temples and pagodas.) It's no accident that YMBA (the Buddhist version of YMCA)--the first quasi-political organization in the colonial era--was founded by an Arakanese (Rakhine). Many noted anti-colonialists were ethnics, including so-called foreigners, the Indians and the Chinese. The Burmese were inspired by the Indian independence movement, and Indian intellectuals were instrumental in bringing leftist ideas to Burmese students who would later lead the independence movement. Many of ethnic Chinese descent joined the army to fight the British, and of course some rose to the very highest levels of the Burmese military and politics.

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the disappointed others try to search for an alternative. The Thadous started sticking to Kuki, and many tribes were in dilemma. In the late 1980s the Zou tribe started propagating the nomenclature Zomi. However, due to internal differences between some Zou and Paite leaders, the Paites who are just a handful in Churachandpur town and composed of several Thadou, Simte, Vaiphei and other clans, opposed it. However, when the Zou tribe started losing faith in Zomi nomenclature, the Paite leaders, especially after the Thadou-Paite Conflict in 1997, embrace the nomenclature and started mobilising sister tribes based on the nomenclature Zomi. The Zomi proponents are mainly internet warriors and in practice they live in and around Churachandpur town, a few localities. Sorry for the hard hitting truth but the admins should also consider this fact.

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That was why, in 1952 at a convention of the churches among all the Chin (ZO people), a proposal on whether to continue to use the name Chin, or to call themselves as Zomi as floated, and all except two or three delegates agreed on the name Zomi. As a result the Zomi Baptist Convention was form, comprising of all the churches in Chin State. (This Zomi Baptist Convention was recently changed into Chin Baptist Convention, because all the present day Zomi-acepting tribes left the convention due to various reasons, and those that remain in the convention are the present day Chin proponents). However due to various reasons, and also similarly with the name Kuki, the name Chin gives some advantage because it had been recorded as such, and even the state is known as Chin State, the Lai,Haka,Falam stick with the name Chin to this day.

4287:? It wasn't me. It wasn't us. I always thought you are choosing the "Zou" spelling and so you redirected all Zo-related articles there. And now you said we chose "Zou"! This is unbelievable. I requested you not to comment further before going through the links that I provided. You need to go back and do your homework, sir. You seem to have chosen to miss these very important lines in the book you cited about Paite: "The Paite as a whole can either be Mizo or Chin or Kuki according to the group feeling and group interactions. Some of the Paite now in Mizoram are Mizo just as they are Chin in Chin State of Burma. The Paite of Burma think that they are neither Mizo nor Kuki. The Paite of Manipur do not like to be labelled as Kuki..." No wonder people call you "an internet disaster" : --> 4567:". I put Burma first, because more of them seem to live in Myanmar territory than in Indian territory. Now a variety of older sources lump all of these hill people under the name "Zo" or "Zou", because that was the name of their locale in the language group that was first studied, whatever they may call their own tribe. Now, I don't know the linguistic details of this hill peoples group, but if it compares with other hill people groups based on a purely geographic (not political geography) basis, then several different linguistics groups are likely. Hill people generally being remnants of peoples who were successively pushed out of the plains. (See the 3599:

India, but the northeast people were studied under “anthropology subject”. The new generations, the academia and social thinkers are struggling to “write” their own history! This will take time and will be expensive. I say expensive as the people themselves have for century been educated under the “colonial masters” and have been nurtured by western “anthropological education”. The ethnic assertion and fall out in terms of conflicts and violence witnessed in the region at large is a classic case of this transition and process of identity formation, struggling for indigenous identity and not based on western education or anthropological research.

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general, but this area seems particularly neglected.) Obviously these should be one article, and since 'Zomi' was the most poorly developed, it should probably be the one rd'd into 'Zou people', even if it's a bit older, since the old page histories aren't worth much. As for whether the article should ultimately be under "Zou people" or the redundant "Zomi people" depends on COMMONNAME; it doesn't matter if "mi" means people: Both "Zomi people" and "Zomi language" are acceptable because that's what many sources use, though we should try to use the same name for both articles. The attempts at unification should probably be covered primarily at

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1971 at Daizang, Manipur. The seven cognate tribes from Manipur state—Gangte, Hmar, Paite, Simte, Tedim-Chin, Vaiphei and Zou adopted the name "Zomi" at Pearsonmun, Churachandpur on June 26, 1993. This alternative movement for unification under the term "Zomi", though successful for quite some time, faced a similar rejection first from the Gangte who later came back to the Kuki fold. Other tribes such as Vaiphei and Zou are divided among themselves into those who are in favour of the term Zomi and those who are not." So this is a real mess, not easily sorted out to make sense on Knowledge. I'd like to get all this reflected according to our

1956:'Thantlang' itself, 'Lungler', 'Tedim' and 'Tonzang' etc. Spelling 'Thantlang' into 'Htantalan', also 'Htantlang', also 'Thangtlang', also 'Thantalan' and 'Klangklang' are just explicitly wrong. Those wordings are the results of poor study in Chin names and languages. Thus, they should not be deemed fit for placing in websites like Knowledge. Results of similar Burmese transliterating also show many literature struggles in ethnic states. The old name of Thantlang was Thlantlang. 'Thlan' means cemetery and 'Tlang' means hill. The combination of two words gives one syllabic word which is 'cemetery hill'. -- 592:, and allows for consensus to establish how they should be applied. Thus there is no longer any need for exceptions. In fact, making exceptions is nonsense, since there are no rules to make exceptions to. These changes are good for specific conventions. Xandar is trying to induce moral panic in those who stand to gain the most from this. Xandar is only opposed to the new version because he thinks the wording, not the general thrust, weakens his position in a dispute unrelated to this RfC. Don't be fooled. 4636:

Zou People (note: not Zo People) only. This is very misleading information, and if you had any credibility (which I highly doubt) as an editor, then you could see it with your eyes closed. Anyway, if you feel you are politically or otherwise motivated/highly charged (to use your language) to give misleading information or, to NOT show the Zomi page, then you can atleast give the Zomi page a dead link, instead of redirecting it to a page which is only about the Zou and not about the Zomi/Zo People.

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4702:. In chapter one, which is titled "Introduction to Zo People The Generic Name “ZO”", he wrote: "Languages change naturally and unavoidably as people separate from one another and come in contact with others. We can never be exactly sure of the original name for "Zo" people. Today the people call themselves Zo, Mizo, Cho, Sho, Khxou, Asho, Chaw, Yaw, and Masho; which are similar sounding and which are all equally uncorrupt in their respective Zo dialects. 5400:: it looks like there's no more than 10km between each identically named village. All three articles were originally sourced to Bing and Google Maps, but neither of those resources (currently) identifies settlements near any of those locations, and there's no obvious evidence of settlements in the satellite imagery. I suspect that, at most, there is only one village with this name in the region. Can anyone with access to better resources verify these? 31: 238:). The reports are updated on a daily basis, and provide brief summaries of what happened, with relevant links to discussion or results when possible. A certain degree of customization is available; WikiProjects and Taskforces can choose which workflows to include, have individual reports generated for each workflow, have deletion discussion transcluded on the reports, and so on. An example of a customized report can be found 5631: 5024:

Southern Manipur and Sialkal Tlang in Mizoram like Tedim, Paite, Zou and others. These names Kuki/Chin/Mizo/Zomi could overlap anywhere to a certain degree in terms of geographical or political influence, but the generally accepted names today, is as above. However as already pointed out, all these groups or the whole group agrees on one thing, which is the historically traditional name ZO encompassing all.

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and there, as I already described before, today they are under these four camps of Chin, Kuki, Mizo and Zomi. Though some hardliners on each group would still argue and assert the name they believed to be the only correct one, and would dismiss the others. There are also some who would argue that they are different people and that they should maintain their own names accordingly.

4261:- he is or was the Joint Director (TRI) of the Directorate for Development of Tribals and Scheduled Castes, Government of Manipur. In other words, his book counts as a reliable source according to our criteria - he is not an "outside writer". His point, which is illustrated here by Vaphualization, is that people who describe themselves as Paite disagree as to what that means. 1306: 5397: 171:, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators. 3508:

people (Zomi) proper, and not about related peoples that have been lumped under the name Zou/Zomi, or (b) that it is explicitly about the Teddim, Vaiphei, Paite, and any other peoples that are lumped together by our sources. There's no reason we should expect a one-to-one correspondence between ethnicity and ISO language codes. —

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is not an "article of the Zo", it is about a "community" under the nomenclature "Zomi" or "Zo people." The "Zomi" or "Zo people" are found in the Indian states of Manipur, Mizoram, Assam, and Chin State in Myanmar as well as parts of Bangladesh. The entire "Zomi" or "Zo people" population crosses 3 million.

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Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Knowledge struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for

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That exactly is my point, and the issue regarding this. The smaller group we are talking about here known as Zou (described in the page) may be written as Zo or Zou. The spelling is not the issue here. This smaller group known as Zou calls themselves only as Zou or Zo and not as Zomi or Zoumi because

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is my birth place and I was brought up there till I left for abroad. I have noticed that Burmese government had incorrectly transliterated local names of Chin State and it is very annoying to read those misspelling in media and in internet as well. Such wrong spellings in our blunt eyes are very much

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The name Burma has been discussed and mediated for a long while and the determination was to leave it at Burma. This page should be left at Burma (Myanmar). I also feel this move request should also have been discussed first before opening where we could have pointed these things out to 78.33.164.25.

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Certainly, anti-British sentiment doesn't exist amongst most Burmese today. Of course, many Burmese, including myself, still view the British colonial period as an unqualified disaster. But most Burmese can and do understand the difference between the British people and colonialism. (Watching English

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What Sihzou talks about is the Paite version of Kuki-Chin or Zo people. After the failure of unifying the Kuki-Chin people under the nomenclature Mizo, probably after the Mizo National Front agreed for a Mizo Land out of the then Lushai Hills District of Assam to be formed as Mizoram state in India,

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The Scene in Burma(Myanmar): The term Chin was very strong during the early 1900s. All the ZO people in Burma were known as Chin in record, and they also accept the same. That was why the Panglong Agreement was signed in the name of Chin. However they also began to realize their true identity as ZO.

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Actually the name Kuki is rejected by about as many as reject Zomi and for what seem to be the same reasons. And yes the two articles on the Zo people have been conflated, hence the need to separate them. And the last sticking point is that Zo is the historically traditional name in English for the

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If you really had understood what you yourself read and wrote as above, atleast you could have NOT redirectd the "Zomi" page to a page that is meant for only one particular tribe(Zou) of the Zomi nomencalture. When we open the page for a Zomi or Zo People (note: not Zou People) it shows the page for

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Thanks for responding here. No, the issue is not about copyrighted material. That's an issue but not the major one since it could be fixed as you say you wrote it on your blog. We have a lot of articles that have been around for years that have very serious problems. The lack of reliable sources was

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As far as pure anti-British sentiment, as opposed to anti-colonialism, I don't believe it was ever an ethnic/racial strain against the British. If anything, it was the Indians, who immigrated en masse in search of economic opportunity, that came to be viewed in a very negative light in Burmese eyes.

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For quite a while these name Kuki/Chin/Mizo/Zomi have all been contending to be the correct name by which all the ZO people should be known, however at present there seems to be some sort of acceptance of the futility of trying to impose these names upon each other. As such, though overlapping here

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similarly. When the term Zomi/Zoumi is used either by others or the Zou/Zo themselves, it refers to the larger group. As the page is clearly describing only about this smaller group Zo/Zou, is it not inappropriate to (re)direct the Zomi page to the Zou/Zo page? Is not this in direct contrast to the

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I find "The Zomi Council,(ZC) General Headquarters, today said although both the Zomi Council and Zo Reunification Oraganisation (ZZRO) have similar view on the concept of Zo people, the approach could be poles apart. They have focus on political unification of the Zo people whereas ZC’s immediate

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page. "ZOMIA" was coined in 2002 by the Dutch social scientist Willem van Schendel in an article published in the geography journal Environment and Planning D: Society and Space (pp. 647–68). It is a geographical term, derived from the word "Zomi" which in the local language means ‘people that live

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On the word and terminology, the “tribal” people were categorized by anthropological researchers, where people were categorized under Chin, Kuki, Naga, according to “anthropological conveniences and measurements or parameters” that fits into it. Some of this categories were fully capitalized, such

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which says "The movements for unification were not successful because many of the smaller tribes had already developed a feeling of dislike for the term Kuki. Following the attempted failure to be united under the term Kuki, a political organization called Zomi National Congress (ZNC) was formed in

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article, it says "According to the 2001 Census, the Zou population in Manipur is around 20,000, less than 3% of the population. The community is concentrated in Churachandpur and Chandel districts of Manipur in North-East India." Do you really think our population would be only 20,000? This article

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The scene in India: From the beginning of the 1900s all the Zo people in Manipur accepted( or rather been known as) Kuki for quite a while, but slowly they began to realize their own identity as the descendant of ZO. Now as of today, all the ZO people except Thadou officially embrace Zomi as their

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During the early 1900s the people were not much politically aware of their own names (or as known by others) and it's implicaitons. That was why, the names like "Chin" and "Kuki" have been unwittingly accepted, and since that became the official recognition, the people continue to use it. Both the

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We have to understand that these names like Kuki/Chin/Mizo/Zomi have been developing over the years, and as we already said, they are contending names for the whole larger group. However at this point of time, there came to be some sort of acceptance or understanding of the terms among the people,

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Regarding the question, what name would I use, or should be used for the entire group, including those that reject "Zomi", I would say that this will be figured out by the people (Kuki/Chin/Mizo/Zomi/Zo/Laimi et al) in due course. It should be noted that different regions have their own appeal and

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There's more useful stuff there about the ZNC, eg "the ZNC played a commendable role in germinating the seed of pan-tribe identity among the Zo as it prepared them for one of the most significant affirmations of the unity, solidarity and nationality of the Zo". This clearly relates to my questions

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I put “Zomi” under quote and unquote as it is in itself an evolving entity to be nurtured and strengthened by the people who subscribe to and believe in it. There is no hard and fast rule to say that it is the “gospel truth” and the truth alone that shall set the people free from Imperialism. No

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I will also note that the article as it was before I redirected it was basically a copy of Vaphualization's website Zogam.org. Besides the independent sources I've listed above I've also shown that organisations with either Zomi or Zo in their title both say they are promoting the cause of the Zo.

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The issue is about "copyrighted material" and not about political intricacies inherent to the ethnic name. If you find "copyrighted material" used in the article, remove them by all means. But redirecting this article to another is not what is expected of an admin who claimed to have absolutely no

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which discussed the Yinduu Daa saying they are separate groups but is confusing and in at least two places has Knowledge stating baldly that researchers were wrong. It does however say that the Yinduu Daa are the "Yindu Chin" (one 'u') and I can find a couple of brief mentions of the Yindu Chin or

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Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Burma will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in Burma's history, society and culture. We've created an event page on English Knowledge (please translate!) and I hope you'll

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the Zou people described in the page, refers/calls themselves just as Zou/Zo when they mean their own smaller group, and not as Zomi/Zoumi. When they do call themselves as Zomi/Zoumi they mean the larger encompassing group including themselves. As a most commonly used name, others also calls them

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If we were to use the historically, traditional English name for this larger group of "Hill people of the northwestern highlands of Burma and upland Manipur" for a title, how could such a title be disambiguated so that it would be clear that the general article is talking about the whole group (3

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Just realised that I need to remember that not everyone in this discussion understands how Knowledge works. The Zomi National Convention would be considered a reliable source for its positions and statements, but not a reliable source for factual material. I'd still like an answer to my question.

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published by Oxford University, and that says: "Zome:also called Zorni, Zomi, Zu, Kuki Chin. 46.400 speakers in Myanmar and India. In Myannur: 30,()00 speakers in Chin statee, Tiddim. Chin hills. In India: 17.000 speakers in Manipur. Chandel and southern districts; Assam. Roman script. Related to

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Hi! This article has been in bad shape for a quite a while. For some reason, it has also had a good amount of copyrighted text added by anonymous edits. It's in some sort of sweet spot where it's not important enough to have experienced editors improve it but important enough where readers feel

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The present Mizoram state was previously known as Lushai Hills, and the Mizo people were known as Lushai. However the Lushai also began to realize their true identity as ZO, and they embrace the name Mizo and change Lushai Hills into Mizo Hills which later became Mizoram (Land of ZO people). The

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Mizo refers to the people of Mizoram and especially the Lushai/Duhlian elsewhere. Chin refers to the people of Southern Chin State, the Laimi,Haka,Falam. Kuki refers to the people of Thadou,Haokip and some others in Manipur, NE India, and Myanmar. Zomi refers to the people of Nothern Chin State,

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be merged as well, since they both cover both the "Kuki" of India and the "Chin" of Burma? I've added merge tags, choosing Kuki as the target because it's better developed and the more familiar term in English.) We should be careful that either (1) the details of this article are about the Zou

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title refering to the whole group, "ZO" would be the most appropriate and would be the least resisted if not totally uncontested. As such, pages like Kuki, Chin, Mizo, Zomi could all be directed to one page with the title "ZO" with sub titles as Kuki/Chin/Mizo/Zomi or as deemed fit. In the page

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with the conventions convenor he's quoted as saying "Such noises are unnecessary, totally uncalled for because there is no ambiguity between Zomi and Zo people. Literally, Zo + Mi are Zo + People, so is with Mi + Zo, meaning Zo-fate, Zo-suante, Zo-hnahthlak. All the three names emerged from the

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The history of the people of Northeast India, the said people of “Zomi” in particular were not nay never written by themselves, but by Anthropologists from “outside”, mostly by the Europeans. The history of Manipur or Northeast India for that matter is never written in the history text books in

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Comment. This isn't my area, but I've found that our articles on the peoples of this area are especially bad; even when they're pasted from some published source they often sound ridiculous because the sources we use are often of very poor quality. (This is true for articles on South Asia in

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When it is necessary to disambiguate Burmese place names at the township level, which of two forms should be preferred: "Kontha, Ayadaw Township" or "Kontha, Ayadaw"? The shorter form might be preferred because it is short, but the longer one might be preferred because it avoids confusion with

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For the minority ethnic groups, it's less clear cut. Some of the ethnic groups like the hill Karens, Kachins or Chins certainly fared better under the British tried-and-true divide-and-conquer policy, having gained a degree of prominence hitherto unavailable to them. But others--especially the

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Anti-British sentiment was strong particularly among the Burmans throughout the British colonial period for political, cultural and economic reasons. (In some quarters, especially amongst the upper echelons of Burmese military, the country's ills are still conveniently assigned to the evils of

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Many of these anthropological tribes were recognized under the Indian Constitution ( handed down by the British Colonials). Zou is one such tribes. There are more than 30 tribes in Manipur alone!!!! The Indian Constitution itself underwent a series of amendments. Burma (now Myanmar) itself is

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Some help on this article would be appreciated, particulary with regards to the names of the parties - the Irrawaddy references seem to use different names to the Times articles of the day. I believe the Nationalist Party (Times) and the People's Party (Irrawaddy) may be the same, as may the

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What distinguishes one hill people tribe from another? Not just a name, but language (dialects), customs and traditions. Intellectually, tribes can be grouped for discussion by common features such as area where found, language groups, customs and traditions. See, for example, the article

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Another cause of this problem is that Burmese language does not end with final consonants using Roman characters as in where Western languages do. In linguistic point of view it is just a literature deficiency. However, Chin languages are very rich in final consonants. For example, the name

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Hi, I am a student at Georgetown University. I'm partnering with the Knowledge Public Policy Institute. I'm currently working on a project about the Karen Human Rights Group. I will need some assistance for the entry. Is this a good place to start? Thank you. This is a link to my entry:

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the Zomi National Congress “We proclaim that the racial name ‘Chin’ should be done away with and Zou (Zo) must be re-instated to its proper place and status of racial identity.” Argue with the ZNC if you don't think the Zo and the Zou are basically two different spellings, not with me.

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not only says "To better understand the relationship between various groups ofZo, the Zo people can be separated into six major groups (1) Asho (2) Laimi (3) Masho (4) Mizo (5) Sho, and (6) Zomi." and "There are currently about two and a half million Zo people.". That book is by this

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It's not alleged. The latest constitution promulgates the name change, as well as adding a few sub-divisions of self-administered zones for some ethnic peoples. Chinese Xinhua News Agency has already begun using the new term. Not sure if other media outlets have caught up to it yet.

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would clarify whatever we chose for a title, including the identification of the historically, traditional English name; however, because of the tendency for some proponents of ethnic identity to fail to read past a title, that alone would seem to be insufficient. I suspect that

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policy page, a Request For Comment, (RFC) is now being held to debate the removal of the passage specifying that individual WikiProject and other naming conventions are able to make exceptions to the standard policy of using Common Names as the titles of Knowledge articles.

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We have greatly streamlined the process since the Version 0.7 release, so we aim to have the collection ready for distribution by the end of October, 2010. As a result, we are planning to distribute the collection much more widely, while continuing to work with groups such as

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Even the Zomi National Council talks about "Zo reunification", not "Zomi reunification" or even "Zou reunification", a point that Sihzou is missing. Yes, from what I've read Zo is used historically for the larger group and also a smaller group (although the spelling varies).

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says "Zomi is not a tribe but a collection of people (Zo+Mi means Zo+People). Zo people which have around 45 clans and many sub-tribes are said to be known as Kuki tribe in Indian context while Chin in Myanmar, according to Zomi leaders" So this is calling the Zomi the

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Thanks very much for this, I think we are getting somewhere. I was going to post something similar. Yes, what we need is a Zo people article (mentioning the alternate spelling 'Zou' which is used both for the whole people - sometimes as Zo/Zou, and the smaller group).

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candidates for the reasons above stated), and craft a general article that covers the common characteristics of the larger group. Then individual articles can be created, keeping in mind that titles like "Zo" or "Zou" are ambiguous and need to be disambiguated.

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Based on that, there has been no discussion since the proposed project rename on March (Others are just notices). And I am not saying I am important. Did I? And I also didn't say I want to put it because nobody responded my post. And your edit summary says

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concern is on promoting the socio-cultural and economic ties of the people by adopting the principle of peaceful-co-existence." It's pretty clear that both these groups regard the words Zomo and Zo as meaning the same thing, and I see that in an interview

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The opening sentences of the Page I quote here, The Zo people (also spelled Zou) is an indigenous community living along the frontier of India and Burma. In India, they live with and are similar in language and habits to the Paite and the Simte peoples.

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I notice that changes have been made in a number of articles from Division to Region for the Burman provinces of Burma/Myanmar. They cite a 20 August 2010 edict in Burmese. Has anyone seen an English language source? I noticed that editors changed the

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I couldn't spare much time on Knowledge so I would have to accept whatever you did. But you must know, "people" means "mi" in our (Zomi) language. No confusion on "Zomi" and "Zo people." You said you already have an "article on the Zo" under the title

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There are nine tribes that belong to Zomi: Paite, Vaiphei, Zou, Simte, Tedim Chin, Mate, Thangkhal, Gangte, Kom. The welfare of these communities/tribes are looked after by different social organisations, the apex body of which is called Zomi Council

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Hello everyone. For some time now, I want to create a list of Burmese parliamentary speakers since 1947 (both upper and lower houses), but I can't find sources online for doing that. That list would need to contain speakers of these legislatures:

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I read those lines. That was my whole point. Some Paite call themselves one thing, others another. And you are really searching the Internet in order to make personal attacks? Really? If that guy praised me I'd know I was doing something wrong.

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I'm not the one who is confused, although I'm not clear why you chose the Zou spelling while others use Zo. You say "the population of Zou is about 80,000 while the population of the whole Zomi (including Zou people) is about 3 million." But

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intolerable, and thus they need to be corrected. For example, in British colonial time, Thantlang was spelled as Klangklang. It is so hard for local peoples like me to read this kind of estranged words and even how they sound when spelling.

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is a disambiguation page, but needs to be monitored for political rhetoric. Although there may be disagreement about whether or which primary topic "Zo (people)" or "Zo people" should point, I agree that the best answer is to point it to a

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the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please

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I understand some Wiki editors here are clearly confused. But I do not understand why the "Zomi" article is being redirected to "Zou people" without the consent of the people. Or is this another face of “colonialism” in its new avatar?

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that more information needs to be added. I think if the article's quality improves, less copyrighted text will be added to it. If any of you have time, I think it would be worthwhile to make some improvements. Thanks for your time.

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on the English language state media (New Light of Myanmar for instance) shows that any news articles written after August 20 no longer use "division." I know that most other English language media in Burma (Weekly News, Myanmar Times

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the term Zomi or Zoumi refers to the larger group encompassing all. As such, I am saying that it is not appropriate to (re)direct the page for Zomi to the page for the smaller group Zou/Zo (note: not Zomi). Hope you got the point.

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on the main page a month and a half ago, I was pretty much up around the clock trying to maintain the article... unfortunately, I know very little about Myanmar so I won't be able to contribute to this article in the same way.)

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Of course this isn't an RS, but it would be an interesting thing to research. If we can find reliable sources we can start articles on LEM and KDS in English and Chinese. Perhaps also in African languages and/or Burmese too...

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off-Wiki involvement in any of the Zo politics. So please stay on course, edit/remove what you have to and give an accurate reflection of all the mess you've dug up from your little Google research. Let us help each other.

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What Bejnar did is a good start. Although, the page needs to be edited more. I would like to make some points, so that you and the other editors will understand more of the situation past and present among the Zo people.

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My comment comes as a person who happens to be born and brought up in that part of the geographical world that is being analyzed and debated here. I am not an anthropologist, not a Historian nor a Political scientist.

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I really would love an answer to my questions above. Yes, that page needs a lot of work. I obviously didn't write it - if I had it would be much better. But to fix the page we need to answer my questions as starters.

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The first first four can be distinguished at the district level. However, in Monywa District there are four instances of "Kontha" so they need to be distinguished at the township level. Are there other pro and cons?

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and that page says taht Dr. Vumson "is also known as the Father of Re-Unification among Zomi/Chin/Kuki/Mizo." My point here is that you and Vaphualizastion are only presenting one point of view - have you both read

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Premier League Football is very much part of Burmese culture nowadays.) The same is true of the Japanese. The 3-year Japanese rule is remembered with horror but the Japanese people are very much loved and respected.

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for example.) Tribes may share general ways of making a living, because of the similar environment, but differ widely in language, customs and traditions. Ideally there should be a general article similar to the

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I really would like to get this right. But there does seem a lot of confusion and disagreement about nomenclature here. Can you explain the Zomi Human Rights article which uses the word Zo? I found the

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has related, "Zomi" seems to be a highly charged "political" term rather than a neutral term. (See, just for example, the discussion of the pro and anti Kuki groups.) While an article could be written

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government and writers/authors used those names to identify the people. As such, when we talk about these people, these given names have certain political leverage, since they were recorded as such.

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You might not be able to find the whole content of these books (and journals) online. I can mail them to you by courier if you are still holding your position that there are no ZOMI in this world. —

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need to identify as LGBT or any other gender or sexual minority to participate. This campaign is about adding accurate, reliable information to Knowledge, plain and simple, and all are welcome!

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And, please go through this before you further comment: "Journal of Tribal Intellectual Collective India" Vol.1, Issue 2, No.4 pp. 51 to 65, December 2013, by P.Thangsuanhau & V.Jamkhanpau

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a major one, but that still isn't the issue. I've explained the issues above and I really would like to see you respond to them. And I note that another editor also agrees that this is a mess.

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in English, I'm not sure about notability - but I suspect there are sources in Burmese (from searching the name). So please, could some people take a look. If it is not a 'notable' person (per

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dominant group in the Mizo is the Lushai/Duhlian speaking people, and that was why everything Lushai became Mizo, and all the other smaller tribes were in a way impelled to become Mizo.

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I'd really appreciate if someone can help me with this. I think it would be of great benefit to have a comprehensive list of Burmese parliamentary speakers on Knowledge. Cheers! --

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Hello, Jon Davies CE of Wikimedia UK here. I am visiting your country between September 27th and November 3rd. Dn;t know where you live but perhaps we could meet up? Jon Davies.

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in the 1926/27 season. I'm having trouble expanding information on the Rangoon Gymkhana, so guessed that maybe someone over at this project might have knowledge on the subject.

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He also points out that Chin is also used by some Zo people (using the phrase "Zo people") while others strongly reject it. I'm still hoping for answers to my questions above.

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These have been a mess for a long, long time. Differences in terminology, limited perspectives, and ethnic identity concepts have all played into the creation of the mess. --

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Um, you are only here at Knowledge for one purpose, to promote the Zomi nomenclature. I have no horse in this race, only the desire to make sure our articles reflect what

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Then there's the population issue. I've seen figures as high as six million. Ethnologue says "61,000 in Myanmar (2012 T. Philipzo). Population total all countries: 81,9002

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The above "notification" is a grossly biased misrepresentation of the changes under discussion. The old version of the naming conventions policy tried to lay down binding

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Thanks for responding. There's a discussion on my talk page where I've added some sources that illustrate the mess, I'll copy my post over and the post I've responded to:

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heading to Sagaing Region and then back again to Sagaing Division. What is the status of the alleged change from Division to Region? Is there a discussion somewhere? --

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million ?) and not just the smaller group (20,000 ?) or the intermediate group (100,000 ?)? Also, what titles could be used for those smaller groups? Of course, the

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notwithstanding the desire of the promoter of each particular name to encompass the whole group. Now as accepted among the people and as the most commonly used name

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I found a Blog entry which says that two Chinese burger chains, LEM (乐而美) and KDS (快乐星）, are opening stores in Myanmar, South Africa, and other African countries:

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all say that the Zo are just one group of Zomi. I also know that there are various organisations representing people who identify as Zo, etc. The Zomi Council says

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No, absolutely nothing to do with colonialism or neo-colonialism. Also, the consent of the people is not an issue, what they call themselves may well be. --

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to their alert page. Your alert page should be located at "Knowledge:PROJECT-OR-TASKFORCE-HOMEPAGE/Article alerts". Questions and feedback should be left at

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page, without any clarifying response). The meteorological table has been mis-captioned (ie doesn't follow the source). Can someone sort this out please?

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I think the editor Dougweller is a lot confused between the term "ZOU" and "ZOMI". "Zou" or "Zou People" is just one among the many tribes under "Zomi".

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Zomi is a collective name by which Tedim Chins of Myanmar, Paite and Vaiphei of Manipur generally identify themselves. People are known as Zome or Zomi.

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If there are any WikiProject Burma members familiar with Burmese given names, I would be grateful for their participation in my Reference Desk question at

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This is a book recommended by Vaphualization. As our copyright policy limits how much we can use I've cut out some minor bits, but the whole book is at

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When people search for ZOMI, they are taken to a way different, much smaller in scope, page - ZOU PEOPLE. Let me reiterate for the umpteenth time, the

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In this same sense, when the Zomi National Council talks about "Zo reunification" and not "Zomi reunification" it means the whole encompassing ZO

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So, two steps are required, in no particular order: (a) create a stub page at Zomi that is about the political movement and disagreements with

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which refers to the language as Zo. The editor Vaphualization who has taken part a lot in this discussion owns the website zogam.org. He quotes

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I have never said there are no Zomi. I have said that even organisations with the name Zomi talk about reunifying the Zo people, etc. and do

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So, the dream for unification under one nomenclature for the Chin-Kuki-Mizo groups looks unlikely to be realized in the foreseeable future.

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It came to my notice that there has been some “debate” and discussion going on regarding the matter content in Knowledge about / on “Zomi”

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Based on what? That nobody responded less than two hours before you put the previous post up? Are you that important that we should jump?--

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And that is it in a nutshell, thanks. This nomenclature issue is a highly charged one and most of the posts above reflect the views of

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Ethnic Autonym: Zomi is a collective name by which Tedim Chins of Myanmar, Paite and Vaiphei of Manipur generally identify themselves.

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Zomi is a confederation of several tribes that inhabit the North Eastern states of India, north-western Burma and parts of Bangladesh.

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is another example of the confusion in names on Knowledge, as the lead starts by calling them Zo. Perhaps you can help explain this.

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article was created in 2004 and I don't think we need to discuss whether this article should be there or not after ten long years.

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I think I need to repeat an earlier post I made above. Looking at the recent meeting of the 3rd World Zomi Convention, one story

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We have pages for three villages named Kondan, all quite close to each other, and distinguished only by their coordinates:

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and cleaning it up and was almost immediately confused as to who these are as I can't source them under that name. I found

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page is about a tribe, whose population is around 20,000, less than 3% of the entire Manipur's population, that belong to

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suggestion. I've learned a lot since my early comments in 2007. For a follow-on, we have the task with merging the and

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by the people, while some feels the need to find their own identity. This is where Zomi and its evolution comes in.

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until 1937, would editors here like to bring to bear your fine judgment and considerable experience, in other words,

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which gets removed. Various editors have tried to straighten this out and keep the articles stable with no success.

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about the political movement, it does appear that the title "Zomi" would be inappropriate for a peoples article. --

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page again, write some good stuff together (you and I) and reflect all the views regarding this ethnic name.—

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See this article "Rethinking 'tribe'identities The politics of recognition among the Zo in north-east India"

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Hello. Can someone with more expertise in with Myanmar/Burma and Thailand television take a look at

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I just tagged the article with your project. It's the ambassador's residence in Washington, D.C. The

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to Zomi (political) and to others. Either the second part of the set index page can be about the ZO

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By H. Kamkhenthang who also speaks Paite as he is described as a member of the Paite community. See

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At present the following nine tribe-based organisations are the constituent members of Zomi Council:

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To receive additional notifications about WikiProject X on this talk page, please add this page to

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Indians were looked up to and a source of intellectual inspiration until the British colonial era.

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to this very same page. Is this just some technical incompetency on your side, or some confusion?

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File:Myanmar Army BTR 3Us in action. BTR 3Us are the backbone of Myanmar Mechanized Regiments.jpg

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article that encapsulates the naming problem and points to a variety of Knowledge articles from

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policy. You still have not responded to my questions and so far as I can see haven't even read

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According to the 2001 Indian census, the population of some tribes of Manipur are listed below

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call it Kuki-Paite. Shall we start a Zo page now? We could redirect Zomi to that temporarily.

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tribes, and individual articles for specific notable tribes (or tribal groupings such as the

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undergoing a pressure to change the constitution (also handed down by the British Colonials)

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Knowledge:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_September_17#Category:Colonial_schools_in_India

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I presume the six million figure might be achieved if you add all the other groups, eg the

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daily, will allow your wikiproject to quickly identify unreferenced living person articles.

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A discussion has started about the lack of a clear guideline on Burmese geographical names

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which our articles claims with no source numbers 1.5 million, and add in the rest of the

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and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of

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Hello, I'm not part of this WikiProject, but I wanted to announce to you the creation of

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http://minimeinsights.blogspot.com/2014/04/chinese-chicken-burger-chains-taking-on.html

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International Journal of South Asian Studies: A Biannual Journal of South Asian Studies

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and try to improve any that need work; if you do, please give us the new revisionID at

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I've been working on fixing links to disambiguation pages, and ran across the article

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Zogam.com, reporting on the first day of the convention, writes about the "Zo people".

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Zogam.com, reporting on the first day of the convention, writes about the "Zo people".

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Yes, I'm certain that the English names have changed as well. A cursory Google search

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There has been a lot of discussion recently about deleting these unreferenced articles

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as an article on the name controversy? ZNC needs an article of course. Then there is

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to all active wiki projects per request, Comments on the message and bot are welcome

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easier and projects easier to maintain. If you or your WikiProject are interested,

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Why am I not surprised by the fact that you haven't heard the word Zomia? See this

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1.) Create or improve LGBT-related articles and showcase the results of your work

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I hope this will give you a rough idea about these four camps of the ZO people.

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Paite, Vaiphei, Zou, Simte are Zomi tribes. Kabui, Maring, Anal are Naga tribes.

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File:Myanmar Army Pechora 2M medium range SAM in the Armed Forces Day Parade.jpg

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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While all "Zou/Zou People" are "Zomi", but not all "Zomi" are "Zou/Zou people".

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There are a number of books written on "ZOMI" (not "Zou"), here's some of them.

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Independent Party (Times) and Golden Valley Party (Irrawaddy). However, I have

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I sincerely hope this simple explanation clears your understandable confusion.

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It is really defunct. Nobody bother discussing here. Perhaps, I should place

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Hi, would anyone knowledgeable on Burmese history be able to add anything on

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A proposal has been posted for a contest between all 200 country WikiProjects

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that claims the People's Party was the Golden Valley Party, even though the

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3.) Contribute to an LGBT-related task force at another Wikimedia project (

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Pyithu Hluttaw (the unicameral People's Assembly, lasted from 1974 to 1988)

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What do you mean? The inactive template clearly says we should put it when

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specifically notes them as two separate ones! All very confusing! Thanks,

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4. The Cultural Meaning of the Racial Name "Zomi" by Tualchin Zomi, 1984

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Looking at the recent meeting of the 3rd World Zomi Convention, one story

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description remain on the set index page. What about a name for the Zo

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This message is being sent to each WikiProject that participates in the

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I started a stub, please have a look and fill in where you can. Thanks!

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unity. It also discusses the 'Zo Re- unification Organisation’ (ZORO).

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What options are viable for the title of the general topic article? --

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This part will not be a problem, as information is easily available:

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3. Zomi in Diaspora for World Evangelism by J.M. Ngul Khan Pau, 2011

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for offline release on USB key, DVD and mobile phone. Articles were

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Knowledge:Reference desk/Language#Is there a Burmese given name "U"?

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Discussion on category name for schools existing during British Rule

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal.

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by the British Permanent Committee on Geographical Names (PCGN). --

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or another neutral editor will rewrite the /* Names */ section of

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.

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to extend the reach of Knowledge worldwide. Please help us, with

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Version 0.8 is a collection of Knowledge articles selected by the

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is listing it as in Mandalay Division. Other recent maps, such as

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The unreferenced articles related to your project can be found at

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We have had this discussion before. In general, see the article

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Myanmar articles have been selected for the Knowledge 0.8 release

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Project members might be interested to know that I've nominated

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Contributions to Indian Sociology 45, 2 (2011): 157-187 176/11.

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Will Kymlicka has extensively used the term "Zomi" in his books.

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A correct spelling of a town name called Thantlang in Chin State

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there have been no discussions on its talk page for four months.

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Kontha, Mawlaik Township, Mawlaik District, 23° 35' N 094° 30' E

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All of these articles seem to show confusion, see for instance

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the Yindu Dai. I found one of the references for Yinduu Daa at

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and wondered whether they are the same place. Over to you lot.

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Kontha, Budalin Township, Monywa District, 22° 19' N 095° 12' E

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Kontha, Tabayin Township, Monywa District, 22° 31' N 095° 29' E

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above and restates what my quotes say, that the ZNC's goal is

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and wondering whether to move it to a different title I found

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Kontha, Ayadaw Township, Monywa District, 22° 22' N 095° 25' E

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with the details. You may wish to look at your WikiProject's

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about the Zou smaller group. So, this needs to be corrected.

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Dear Dougweller, did you even read the contents of the page

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Kôntha, Kani Township, Monywa District, 22° 47' N 094° 43' E

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Kontha, Ye-U Township, Shwebo District, 22° 48' N 095° 12' E

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Kontha, Katha Township, Katha District, 24° 17' N 096° 32' E

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on behalf of the WikiProject coordinators' working group at

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6. Prism of the ZO people, 2008, Pages 398, Rs.250.00 (INR)

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So, "Zomi" page should not be redirected to "Zou people".

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Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Shwebomin (2nd nomination)

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Kontha, Kale Township, Kale District, 23° 29' N 094° 06' E

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in light of the above discussion, probably from scratch.

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I beg you to please, please stop redirecting the article

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Article နတ္နဂါးမင္းသားေလး has been nominated for deletion

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Knowledge:WikiProject Myanmar/Archive 4/Unreferenced BLPs

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Knowledge:WikiProject Myanmar/Archive 4/Unreferenced BLPs

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as the general article and cleaned up the first part of

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group presenting one of several conflicting viewpoints.

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policy, but it's tricky. Please stick with me and help.

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selected based on their assessed importance and quality

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a

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There are different communities under the nomenclature

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larger group and the smaller group. We need titles. --

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are destined to redirect to a disambiguation page. As

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say about the subject and that our articles meet our

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We can go on and on...and to cut the story short...

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a

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You can see the locations of all the three villages

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Thangkhal Peoples Organisation 3946:Simte (number 14) is a Zomi tribe 3930:Maring (number 9) is a Naga tribe 3910:Thadou (number 2) is a Kuki tribe 3823:Zou is one such tribe under Zomi. 1808:Can anyone source that claim? -- 1559:This article about a pop singer ( 334:thinks he's ready for his closeup 245:If you are already subscribed to 4695:Quote from Vumson's "Zo History" 3933:Anal (number 10) is a Naga tribe 3924:Paite (number 5) is a Zomi tribe 3921:Kabui (number 4) is a Naga tribe 2391:File:Myanmar Army Pechora 2M.jpg 1835:. Please join the discussion at 29: 5436:and your comments are welcome. 3562:And under Tedim Chin they say, 2923:A requested move is ongoing at 2199:military images up for deletion 5748:(the Chamber of Nationalities) 5728:Burmese parliamentary speakers 5226:article. What do you think?-- 5096:Kuki–Zomi Ethnic Clash 1997–98 4951:though it reads as if it were 4437:And yet you redirect the link 3761:5. 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