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should already know what happens to users who continue to ignore policy and guidelines. I'm doing the best I can, but participants are so divided amongst themselves, it's almost impossible to determine consensus. The only thing that was clear enough was the snowflake, but now someone doesn't like the equation or the snowflake itself. I didn't even make the snowflake, it was Walwal20. The green barnstar above, that's the first thing I introduced here. I used the image file from this project banner because a image file from the project banner is the best representation of the topic for which a WikiProject covers. Clearly I was wrong though, but what's even more clear, is the amount of rudeness I have received for my efforts.
5821:, Pinter, Artin) and they don't seem to use < and โค for subgroups, and shockingly, even some more modern references (Aluffi Chapter 0, the stacks project) appear not to use this notation. I find this quite bizarre, as I have found it to be quite common (it has appeared frequently in lectures and courses I have attended for example). Since it doesn't appear to be well represented, I suppose it could be removed from the < and โค parts, but I think one then should add it to the โ โ section separately to subset (as these references certainly do use set notation to indicate subgroups in this way). Perhaps one could even put a small note there that < and โค are sometimes used.
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than a science, with guidelines that reflect that. We don't need specific guidelines telling us which file we must use as our base image - That's what community consensus is for. It seems like a few other users here prefer the original Koch
Snowflake design, so I don't think it should be thrown out due to the fact that it uses the "wrong" image. Personally, I would be happy to support any of the barnstar designs suggested by David Eppstein - I think all of these designs would work better than a generic "math thing" superimposed on a clipart barnstar. Mathematics is unique and often beautiful, and I think a barnstar should reflect that.
1980:, which makes it seem like a he-said-she-said situation. Just to summarise for those unfamiliar, the substance of the argument is essentially that Tian put up a paper just days after CDS's paper with several key arguments essentially exactly the same as in CDS, and immediately claimed credit for the proof. The Veblen prize in mathematics was awarded to CDS for their proof, with no reference to Tian, and (and I can only speak informally on this rather than provide written sources) the community outside of Tian's inner circle is fairly decided that the credit goes to CDS.
3510:, which is progress. Also, sorry for the rudeness of our fellow mathematicians. I believe it is all a misunderstanding though, because most people supported the snowflake-only barnstar, not the one with the equation. I took the liberty of making all the changes to reflect this "better" consensus. It has the support of David Eppstein, Deacon Vorbis, AviationFreak, MarkH21 and Trovatore. And since it is placed as a 1.0 (not a 2.0 one), I think Jerm is also fine with it not having 5 tips. Think we can settle with this, right?
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himself supports). I don't think it is accurate to simply give equal credit to Tian and CDS without having a lengthy discussion of the controversy, but given the highly technical nature of the contension and the fact that the main rebuttal is from some of the authors themselves, it makes it a bit difficult to accurately and faithfully write up. Any input would be appreciated.
1771:, point 3 doesn't work for HTML either. I made a dummy edit to test it. Point 2 works for both cases, but it bothers that Latex cause illegible anchors (#Equal_or_unequal_sample_sizes,_similar_variances_%7F'"`UNIQ--postMath-00000009-QINU`"'%7F) whereas HTML yields a nicer one (#Equal_or_unequal_sample_sizes,_similar_variances_(1/2_<_sX1/sX2_<_2)).
4206:. To wit, no, the manual of style is the community's, not this WikiProject's. (It happens to be the case that editors of this WikiProject are the most likely to care about the guideline in question, but this set of editors is not the entire set of editors who care about the guideline, and accordingly do not get to control what that guideline says.) --
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Ah, thanks for the clarification. I interpreted that comment as applying to no-argument uses like "the radical symbol (โ) is..." but it sounds like you also mean to include with-argument expressions like "โ2 is an irrational number because...". I'll add a question about that option, and hereby invite
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guide and even tells you what file to use, but no, no body wants to follow a long-standing guideline. In response, everyone is suggesting to just ignore it to get what they want. Those kinds of responses I'd expect only from newly registered editors who ignore policy and guidelines, and everyone here
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until it meets 2.0/WP:B2G. That doesnโt mean though you canโt use it. It just means itโs the original and possibly outdated. I already made a barnstar that meets the guideline, so my version would be put on the 2.0 row next to the snowflake. That would be the outcome if members of this project choose
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The user in question (I'm not sure if its acceptable to comment on such things, but their IP links to the
University of Utah whose maths department has one person in complex geometry who is a postdoc of Tian's) edited the page to remove all credit to CDS (a clearly ridiculous claim that not even Tian
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rendering is hard to read, then perhaps we should increase the font size that the rendering engine puts out. There are over 21,000 expressions that use this markup in the
October 1, 2020, database dump, and it's not feasible to stop using that method for complicated expressions. We could also advise
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Btw, If you want to take the snowflake down from the main page, go ahead, I'm not stopping you. I did that out of courtesy. I've already done my part. If you want me to take the snowflake down from the main page, just ask and I'll do it. If you don't like the snowflake, then you should be addressing
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No, I didn't pick the snowflake, participants is this discussion did. As for the math equation, that's a decision for this project to decide. If you're wondering why I just suddenly decided to pick the snowflake despite my opposition, it's because I don't need to make a remastered version that meets
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doesn't look like it has any consensus behind it and is little more than one user's recommendation for how barnstars "ought to be" made. After looking at the talk page of the guideline, it looks like a couple other users share my thinking here. In my opinion, barnstar design should be more of an art
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At that point, I decided the best thing I could do was to add some extra detail to the Talk page expanding on my concerns, and to leave the main article untouched in the hope that a third editor might provide a fresh view. That was on 8 October 2020 and in the meantime nothing has happened. I'm not
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That's a good point, though I wonder how often that would just work and how often the user would need to transcribe the formula into some other syntax for whatever math tool they are using locally. (Though a working copy-paste would still help in either case.) In the long term, it might be possible
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would it be possible to make the snowflake be in front of the barnstar, maybe with just a little transparency to barely make the barnstar visible? (in your barnstar, it is already in front, right? Just increase the opacity of the snowflake internals.) That could make a very fine barnstar, and would
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I had actually thought I was being too harsh on Tian in my wording! I was trying to write it impartially, so if the wording needs adjusting I would encourage someone to improve it! This of course is a matter better discussed on the talk page. I suppose I should remark that Tian's proof is very much
4784:, but aesthetically it's less bothersome than one with a broken line. In simple situations like "โ2" it's not needed for clarity, but in complex situations like "โa - b" it would be ambiguous what's being rooted. Something like "โ(a - b)" would resolve that ambiguity, but I would lean toward using
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Just to be clear, I think it is best to take the perspective that there are papers by Chen-Donaldson-Sun and by Tian which claim to prove the conjecture, and that there is unresolved dispute over Tian's. I think "allege" and "rebut" are neutral words for that purpose but I don't mind anyone else's
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Please note that copying already works; it gives you valid LaTeX input. Which is what I need anyway, I'm usually copying either from
Knowledge from Knowledge, or from Knowledge to a LaTeX document I'm using locally. I'm a bit skeptical about the use case where you would want to copy a formula and
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option, and the MoS should be accordingly updated. There is no consensus about the "bare
Unicode character + no overline" option (e.g. "โ2" or "โ(a + 1)"), so its use continues to be permitted (status quo). Further discussions may be useful regarding the future of the "bare Unicode character + no
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Really? You're going to complain over "BS"? Really? The fact is, you should just drop this. Trying to steamroll longstanding practice by 3 people is not appropriate. This isn't a problem that needs fixing. And I don't have the energy to devote to arguing over this constantly. I'm doing other
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Your phrasing takes the point of view of Tian, using words that imply that the CDS accusation is dubious ("they have alleged"; "alleged" carries a connotation that the allegation might not be true) while asserting that Tian's response is the more correct version of the story ("Tian has rebutted";
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Thanks. I've given that a go, (re-)reverting and adding some motivating comments to the part of the proof that was (I think) wrongly edited. The terse style of mathematical proofs tends to make them read like they were beamed down from outer space, so I hope some commentary may be more generally
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the addition using a minced vulgarity as an edit summary. I don't think this was appropriate, both in terms of civility and because so far editors seem to prefer that solution 3 to 1. This WikiProject and the
Mathematics MOS page are the places I can think of that are most likely to find editors
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syntax currently doesn't work in the Media Viewer extension (the output of which is what you see on
English Knowledge if you view an image on a mobile device) so at least in the short term that method still needs to be used in image captions. But for the majority of uses, which appear in general
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I did not intend to misrepresent your position; I was just trying to sum up a longer conversation and my apologies if that is not what you meant. I did point you to this thread so you could jump in and speak for yourself, and linked to the other conversation so readers could get more detail. --
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It seems that the issue of latex (and wikilinks) in section headings has been fixed. In fact, there are 3 points: 1/ rendering in the ToC; 2/ link form the Toc to the correct section; 3/ link from an arrow in the watchlist to the correct section. I edit this post as belonging to the last above
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By the way, a fundamental issue of the previous version of the article article was that there were no indication whether symbols and their meanings are standard, commonly used, rarely used, or specific to few authors. IMO, this may be an important question for users of this page. So, for most
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which copies the latex equation from math tags when you double click on the equation, it's quite handy. Vanilla MathJax has a right click menu which allows the equations to be copied to the clipboard, as Latex, MathML or if present any annotation text. This seems to have gone from our system.
2958:, you are viewing the 1.0 row which are original awards most likely created before the introduction of the guideline. Some were made after but were still put on the 1.0 row. If members choose the snowflake more than anything else, it will be put on WP:BARN but only on the 1.0 row and on a
2117:'s edits it comes across neutrally. That is to say, the baseline assumption is that Tian's effort to find the proof was independent, and this is what is disputed by CDS (whether or not the details are mathematically independent). I think this is reflected fairly neutrally in the text now.
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markup for consistency where at least some can't be rendered properly without it, and I've already been doing that while doing unrelated cleanup. If no one objects to this first MOS addition in the next day or two, I'll see if there's any objection to adding that to the MOS as well. --
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in all cases where there's an argument, to minimize the number of conventions in use and to improve cross-article consistency of appearance. For the record, I see "โ" followed by a digit (0-9) in the
September 1 database dump about 970 times (slightly less than the number of uses of
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These may work in desktop browsers, but do they work for mobile? We have recently had a discussion about problems with rendering latex formula on different mobile browsers, and there is a phab ticket. Until we can ensure these work for all users on all devices we should keep the MOS
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Don't worry, I took it down. I'm done with this. It seems no one here can't agree on anything. This person wants this, this person wants that, this person likes it, this person doesn't. No, I presented a guideline for which people must follow to make a barnstar. It's literally a
3931:, because otherwise the inconsistencies between formatting of one type of mathematical expression and another using the same variable names but in a different font are worse than the problems caused by Knowledge's poor implementation of <math: -->
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In August, an unnamed user edited the proof, which meant that when I came to read it (for the first time) shortly afterwards it seemed to me to be invalid. The previous version seemed basically okay, so I reverted the edit, adding an explanation at
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I was using Chrome on
Android. Interestingly, looking at your example I do see that the equation is missing on Linux Firefox, rather than generating a syntax error. On Android Chrome, though, I don't see a caption at all for your example. 8/ --
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I had originally only thought of this as a star for this project, but I do think (as another commenter pointed out) it could be used in some cases instead of the "E=mcยฒ" star, which currently covers a pretty broad range of topics. Nominating at
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I can confirm that โค and < are fairly common notation for subgroups, including in group theory papers (as well as textbooks). I don't think that the comment that it's rarely used outside of elementary group theory is accurate: Aschbacher's
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We've had some discussion here; If anyone uninvolved in the discussion wants to add it to the WikiProject page after having read the discussion, I say go ahead. I would ask that you move my userspace page to a page in this
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Considering the "bare Unicode character + no overline" option...something simple like "โ2" is intuitive and clean, and I do see web pages using Unicode in this way, which is probably how it was intended. It bothers me a little that there's no
1971:. This is fairly esoteric stuff, so I'm not sure what technical input to expect, but it is a topic of some contension within the complex geometry community and therefore provokes a lot of edits changing credit around (usually from people in
3988:โ a slight aesthetic shortcoming isn't enough. Basic square roots are fine in running text, as are any basic expressions, and it's a reasonable option to have for editors, and it's extremely widely used. And overall dissatisfaction with
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means "prove false"; one of my peeves is when people use it to mean "deny" or "contradict". But "rebut" is not quite as strong as "refute". I would take "rebut" to mean something like "present a reasoned argument intended to refute".
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people who find any part of an article difficult to read to increase the zoom level on their browser (that works for me), though I do try to remove things like CSS that sets the font size at 80% and whatnot for this same reason. --
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tags disrupt page flow, are not copyable, and renders in a small font which is inaccessible. Supporters respond that page flow seems to be roughly equally disrupted with both methods, that the LaTeX is indeed copyable, and that the
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cases however, like Mathematics or Tropical Cyclones, a snazzy star-shaped symbol is available for use. In those cases, it should be used. Even if we agree that B2G should be/is an official guideline, I think this still falls under
3034:, there isn't a very snazzy star-shaped symbol to represent the topic. For instance, Law Enforcement, Christianity, and Football/Soccer don't really have something star-shaped to represent them. In most topics, this is the case. In
5616:'s notability as a writer, but despite the long section on his mathematical career, it seems to include little that would count as notable by usual wiki standards. Just passing it along in case someone would like to improve it.
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I disable TOCs by default, but I still think that to the extent possible section names should be chosen to avoid needing formulas in them. They're going to look ugly in the section header itself no matter how they're formatted.
4862:, though I think the use of (โ + no overline) should be encouraged too, otherwise people who write mathematics in HTML will always have to use Latex for rendering radicals, which seems to break the so-important consistency per
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outer circle who attribute equal/all of the credit for the proof of the conjecture to him). Matters are slightly complicated by the fact that the main rebuttal to Tian's claims of a proof are by Chen-Donaldson-Sun themselves
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Deacon Vorbis thinks this would be a waste of time, but I'm not asking anyone else to help. What do people here think? Are there any other circumstances where this change should be avoided? Any better alternatives? --
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For what it's worth, I think the Koch snowflake here is a nifty idea. If someone really wants a 5-pointed star, another possiblity might be some tweaking of an appropriate Newton fractal (see thumbnail for example).
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Thanks for the change, and thanks for the overhaul of the article in general! A lot of these math list articles need proper rewrites. Ideally, we can also add citations to several of the statements in the list. โ
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being used. Removing them fixed the issue...they even had an odd "scores are temporarily disabled" warning on the rendered page. Probably an issue for phab I guess? You know a lot more about this stuff I think.
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editors to point out any other alternatives they like. Just to avoid smearing comments across three separate pages, I'll start the RFC in a subsection below and point to it from the Mathematics MOS talk page. --
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The Tropical Cyclone Barnstar has five tips. The lightning is clip art, and the majority of barnstars do follow the guidline. Any barnstar @WP:BARN that is on the 1.0 row are older originals approved years ago.
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For inline mathematics. Do none of you realize you can't copy and paste those characters, they mess up the flow of text. There must be a better option than using rendered PNG files to display inline math.
4227:. "in control" was a wrong way to put it. What I meant is that if we get consensus here in the wikiproject, we can boldly edit the MOS/Mathematics; and most probably no one would revert it on the basis of
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4373:: "Incorrect spacing for \mathbin and \mathrel", is waiting for the fix to make it through code review. I think some of the backend problems are now fixed which should make simple bugs quicker to fix. --
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I think the snowflake one would be a nice addition. I also think it would be nice to have an official mathematics barnstar, as the currently used "E=mcยฒ Barnstar" has a much more physics-feel than math.
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markup method wherever technically possible. Your personal opposition to the proposal is noted and understood, but a supermajority of editors commenting on the RFC did not agree with your position. --
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The small stellated dodecahedron is my favorite of the suggestions so far; it's a bit more visually dramatic than the Koch snowflake, and it depends less on color perception than the Newton fractal.
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I think I can circumvent the main problem by inscribing a barnstar inside the Koch snowflake. If it is almost transparent, it might even look great. I'll leave that to tomorrow tho.
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is ignoring both this criticism of its meaninglessness and the ongoing discussion of better alternatives, and pushing forward with this ugly choice because it looks sort of mathy. โ
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I hadn't considered color perception - The dodecahedron would probably be a better fit, unless users here really prefer the "flat" barnstar look as opposed to something more 3D-y.
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I received a barnstar using this exact Koch snowflake image in 2017, so it is already in informal use, at least. Another non-five-pointed star that I've seen used as a barnstar is
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I suggest you just revert or edit to what you want. The anon editor may no longer be around. If he is, take it to the talk page of the article and see if you can get consensus. --
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but its probably useless for trying to find a specific equation. For copying the latex of the equation is available in a hidden span in the source code, I've a short script in my
2131:"Disputed", as you just used in your comment, is sufficiently neutral wording. Unlike "rebutted" it does not carry the connotation that the counterargument is convincing to all. โ
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things here. You haven't even remotely fucking listened to a word I've said in earlier discussions, just plowing ahead with your fingers in your ears, and it's tiring. โ
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That has been a long-standing guideline. Just because you don't like it doesn't give you the right to surpass a guideline for which WikiProject Knowledge Awards follows.
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It appears that the above 3/ does not work correctly with latex (it works with wikilinks). So, at least in this talk page, latex should be avoided in section headings.
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Weโre still talking about this? The original is the nicest. The right margin is oddly narrow when thereโs no text, but maybe it corrects when a comment is added? โ
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No worries, the bugs have been merged. Great minds think alike. I could not replicate your bug but found one which failed. What mobile/browser were you using? --
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Thank you and the snowflake is fine now as is anything else for the 1.0 version because a 2.0/WP:B2G version doesn't have to be made when I already made one via
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symbols, I have to do some bold choices. When my choice is wrong (as for < and โค), the new structure of the article makes easy to fix my mistakes.
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where we have an entire section of Exceptionally young medallists with their date of birth sourced to Wikidata and as such possible violation of our
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Tianโs paper is very widely cited, on the same level as Chen-Donaldson-Sunโs. So I believe it should be mentioned. I addressed this in one way on
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I'm posting here to see if people more associated with the project would like this addition - If so, I'll add it to the project page.
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I looked up this alleged "guideline" and as far as I can tell you are completely free to ignore it utterly, a great many barnstars
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sure where best to go from here, so we end up with a reliable version. Any suggestions or comments would be very welcome. Thanks,
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Does that work for you? Maybe I should close that feature request? --
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I 100% agree. We should replace the โ + overline with just โ or with
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5980:topological automorphic forms book
5635:and development of the concept of
5050:Search does work for equations in
3730:I have opened a new discussion at
3726:Exceptionally young IMO medallists
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5185:This is not a radical proposal.
5078:Per my comment above, support. --
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4764:Further comments by the proposer.
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4257:By the way, I did not say that
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3634:, but it would remount to the
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