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35: 64: 1398:(中军擂鼓台 – “Central Military Beat Drum Platform”)? I know there were two kinds—a fixed platform kept at the center of a city (Beijing being a good example) and a movable platform used to direct battle arrays and troop movements during wartime. I would like to know more about when this platform first came about, its dimensions (both fixed and ESPECIALLY movable!), and if the city of Kaifeng had a fixed platform during the Song dynasty. 2037:) states: "In 1042 the controllers-general were ordered to select villagers with military talents, in order to triple the number of archers in certain circuits. In some cases such men were apparently to be tattooed on the hand for identification purposes; in others they might be tattooed on the face. The Court in 1042 approved a request that in Ho-tung Circuit the archers to be inducted into the righteous warrior ( 1315:
consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.
219: 224: 1359:(not all of them are of concern to us) They seem to be scanned out of books, does someone have an idea from which book they are? This could help me to make an agreement with the legal owner of these images, so we can use them on wikipedia (from his perspective this is advertising, so he will likely agree, but I must have an idea who to ask first). 214: 51: 1298:. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at 2485:. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Knowledge (XXG) 1.0 Editorial team, 877:
Very nice, but have we actually received permission from the author to use the more general license? We don't really want to wind up in a position where we distribute the images in a way he didn't intend, and (aside from the resulting legal issues) lose a valuable potential partner in improving our
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Hey guys. I've put a lot of work into the Chinese Song Dynasty article, from a large range of cited source material. I was thinking about putting it up as a candidate for Featured Article Status, but I wanted to get some feedback from others before attempting that. If anyone has the time to read
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are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please
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I think the best bet is to just contribute whatever you can in whatever area comfortable, and submit it here for comments and stuff. For the time being I think it might be difficult to have a concerted effort at one focus, not to mention Chinese military history spans thousands of years!
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with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Knowledge (XXG) 1.0 scheme! For the
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I think almost all areas of Chinese military history are deficient at present. We can make our group concentrate on a short list of articles and work together. Let's improve the articles one by one. We should put quality before quantity. There's still much to do.
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as a placeholder in the project banner template, since I have no idea what a good image for Chinese military history is. Feel free to pick a better one; I would avoid anything post-World War II, but you can go with whatever you feel is most appropriate. Thanks!
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meaning "martial" or "military". Hopefully it should prove satisfactory: It is neither period-specific nor politically controversial (as anything post-WW2 would be). Only problem is that non-Chinese speakers might not know what i means. :( --
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needs a little cleanup as well. Since I'm not familar enough with this subject, can somebody take a look a see if any of the articles can be moved into appropriate categories and the reference to the master category is removed please? Thanks
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is too Western-centric for the global war and that there isn't any recognition of the efforts of China which had the 2nd greatest casualties of the war so a second collage was made including the 1937 Shangai baby on tracks LIFE picture,
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I think 戰 is more appropriate as the image in this case. Military history is 戰史, not 武史. Plus 戰鬥, 戰力, 戰爭, 戰役, 戰勝, 戰敗, 停戰, 終戰...etc, not much words with 武 I can think off the top of my head, other than some martial arts stuff :)
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I just added a globalize tag to this overview article, which is currently without any East Asian content. I think some Chinese cavalry could be described as heavy - can someone add a bit? Thanks 14:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
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It has to be recognizable at 40px, too ;-) I don't know how much this would play into the image you have in mind, but my attempts to find a good sword image for the weaponry task force were rather unuccessful for this reason.
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The photographs are part of my book. You're welcome to use them on Knowledge (XXG) so long as you list my book "Chinese Siege Warfare: Mechanical Artillery & Siege Weapons of Antiquity" by Liang Jieming as the source.
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The photographs are part of my book. You're welcome to use them on Knowledge (XXG) so long as you list my book "Chinese Siege Warfare: Mechanical Artillery & Siege Weapons of Antiquity" by Liang Jieming as the source.
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or something similar, I think the current MOS for Chinese and milhist articles can be improved. And yes, it does span thousands of years but I think it still is possible to separate it into a few rough time periods. --
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Dynasty, so I guess that counts somewhat as my excuse for bringing Shen Kuo's article to light here. Lol. Anyways, feel free to review the article and provide your support/objections/comments etc. for the article.
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Well, I was using 武 in a historical/literary way... (cf 洪武帝, it didn't mean that he was good at martial arts :D ) Besides 武 looks cooler than 戰 or 軍. Anyway it's a really minor thing so feel free to change it. --
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I have this page on my watchlist, and the article's recent expansion from a stub looks very suspicious. The article now looks like a blend of half-truths and hearsays, as some of the details I can't find in
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I'd be grateful if the lot of you would make some contributions in suggesting improvements or adding material to the article. Otherwise, why even join WikiProject China? Get to it, soldier, or I'll launch a
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page. This includes info about his bios, more martial arts stuff, and bunch of new photos. I know the section about his military career could be a lot bigger than a single paragraph. Tell me what you think.
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Can anybody verify my father's assertion that the AVG pilots got thumbs up from the Chinese and not the other way around. He says it's the figure gesture equivalent of "Ding Hao" and means number one. See
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That reminds me... time to go watch Fearless... again. :) I think the article is good, but has no relations to Chinese military history. Wars weren't decided by the outcome of leitai duels, so... --
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article was deleted for nonsense for some reason. The BBC documentary What the Ancients Did for Us seem to mention paper armour, but are there any good sources on it being used historically?
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What are our short-term objectives? In other words, what shall we focus on for the time being? This is really asking: What areas of Chinese military history is especially deficient right now?
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We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at
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competitions. The winners would either become bodyguards to the emperor or martial instructors to the armed forces. This info was translated from an ancient Shuai Jiao text by the
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Also, the “Central Military Beat Drum Platform” sounds like a name for the fixed platform. Was the movable one known as simple “Military Beat…” or just “Beat Drum Platform”. (
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actually I still think creative commons fits the legal terms best, but on the other hand I do not want to end up with an admin deleting pictures I have labeled likewise.
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has been started and needs members. This is obviously related to this task force, though it is in no way meant to be a "higher ranking" project. Those interested, please
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is extending the index finger, not the thumb. Ding Hao means "top good", so yes, #1. I'm too young to know if the thumbs up for "good" is originally Chinese, though. --
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Well, we need to make sure we get the license correct, as that's the most important issue from a legal standpoint; silly admins can be dealt with separately.
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The requested articles departement gets reorganized. The requests get moved to the specific taskforce. In case of error move it to a concerning task force.
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I've uploaded 戰 and 軍, just to see if people think they're cooler. I didn't dress them up nice as I did for 武, but at 40px it won't make a difference.
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represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.
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I haven't added the information yet, but in my research I've found that ancient variations of the Leitai were used by soldiers during the
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This is somewhat problematic, actually. Barring an explicit statement from him, the images would be by-permission on Knowledge (XXG)
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is a collection of English Knowledge (XXG) articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The
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as appropriate. Also, we should probably make an attempt at revamping our category system which is quite messy at the moment. --
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So you can upload further pictures on your own. copyinsert the following for source and licence: Please upload them on the
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has given me the following message to upload a large quantity of images concerning Chinese siege engines and crossbows.
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I do not mind silly, but this one was silly and deleting. I will try creative common again and forward him to you.
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Anyway, there is some talk to modify the existing icons to some kind of uniform coat of arms or shield. Butt in at
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Hi guys, I know this doesn't have incredibly too much to do with military history, but I have recently nominated
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through it and provide your thoughts on how it should be improved (or if it is ok how it is) then please do so!
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http://www.network54.com/Forum/279501/thread/1148774152/last-1150431074/Some+pix+of+historical+Chinese+soldiers
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needs help and references on the question of the use of muskets during the Ming and Qing dynasties. Thanks-
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page is an archive, log collection, or currently inactive page; it is kept primarily for historical interest.
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had a mention of paper armour (a specialized type of armour), however now the reference is missing and the
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is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks!
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is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks!
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is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks!
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fighting platform. I'm not quite sure if it fits into Chinese military history (just like my article on
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In the meanwhile, we can get to tagging relevant articles with the MILHIST project banner like this:
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What are our long-term objectives? In other words, what is our general vision for this task force?
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The first series of pics are obviously from Osprey books, the oil paintings I have no idea. --
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Why, they're all described and illustrated in the article (I created) on the 14th century
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that may be of interest to editors here; any input there would be appreciated. Thanks!
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that may be of interest to editors here; any input there would be appreciated. Thanks!
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that may be of interest to editors here; any input there would be appreciated. Thanks!
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that may be of interest to editors here; any input there would be appreciated. Thanks!
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that may be of interest to editors here; any input there would be appreciated. Thanks!
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that may be of interest to editors here; any input there would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject Military history#"Coat of Arms" emblems for task forces
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No, China is older than the PRC that only represents a fraction of China in history.
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bizarre; the license is for the particular image, after all, not the object itself.
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Knowledge (XXG) ( www.en.wikipedia.org) is chronically running low on accurate : -->
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Actually I had some Roman pictures received under similar conditions and labeled
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that may be of interest to you; any input there would be appreciated. Thanks!
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that may be of interest to you; any input there would be appreciated. Thanks!
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book with ISBN and your homepage will always appear when somebody takes a : -->
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homepage and would like to ask for the consent of DragonSeedLegacy to use : -->
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Liang Jieming and I go way back. I think. Put the images in bulleted list. --
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And thank you very much for making them online available. As a member of : -->
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Hi all. I Just went through and cleaned up (and added) to the major category
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Well if we can find a good, free (as in permission) picture of one, sure. --
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Knowledge (XXG) 0.7 articles have been selected for Chinese military history
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Your pictures are currently close to holding monopoly of Chinese siege : -->
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WWII Article Picture Collage support for inclusion of China-related box
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for FA. Please take a look at the FAC and vote or leave a comment.
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for featured article status. Shen Kuo did fight battles against the
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As you own the rights to these images, I ask for your consent. : -->
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To notice your will to collaborate, come on my IP talk page. =: -->
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was classified as such. I guess this was done since he taught Gen.
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article about the use in China. There were ambushes and such...
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Can someone give me sourced details and perhaps a picture of a
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Need your collaboration to read a valuable source and expand '
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Agreed, not really a mil-history article... prod the guys at
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People's Liberation Army operations in Tibet (1950–1951)
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Please join our discussion expressing your viewpoints.
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I didn't think it was military related either. But my
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In case you urgently need some more pictures ask him:
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Category:Military of the People's Republic of China
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Please take a look =) 2446:automated selection of articles for Version 0.7 2091:Requested Move on PLA operation/invasion, Tibet 1920:Army Groups of the National Revolutionary Army 1909:Army Groups of the National Revolutionary Army 1532:I've recently made some HUGE additions to the 1423:, Mongolian bodyguard unit of the Yuan Dynasty 1149:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject_Asian_martial_arts 1109:I just finished writing an article on the old 1049:(INSERT HERE THE COMPLETE URL OF THE PICTURE) 1350:I found a list of pictures and need some help 1296:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Council/Directory 1009:so they are available in all language wikis. 8: 2212:, University of Helsinki, 2005. 273 pages.), 2208:a valuable source available (Xu Elina-Qian, 2127:China and PRC articles request to be renamed 1265:Asia/Pacific box for WWII Collage discussion 517:if somebody hasn't ripped it out already. -- 2468:list of selected articles with cleanup tags 2461:Knowledge (XXG):Release Version Nominations 2235:Militaro-politic history (cf Xu Elina-Qian 2171:has the RfC/RM discussion on the proposal. 1075:Cheers, Leong Kit Meng (Liang Jieming) < 2442:Knowledge (XXG):Version 1.0 Editorial Team 1577: 1390:Question about the military drum platform 2218: 2451:We would like to ask you to review the 2350:Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme 2188: 1573:image for deletion that might be useful 567:Cheers, Leong Kit Meng (Liang Jieming) 395:{{WPMILHIST |Chinese-task-force=yes }} 1739:- What do all of these have in Common? 1621:Musketeers in Ming and Qing dynasties? 983:upload them on the Wikimedia Commons ( 639:OK, I will edit. 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