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January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at
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This article, on a method for evaluating biological utilizations rates of proteins in human and animal consumption, was started in August and is in desperate need of an expert. We are having trouble locating one and the article desperately needs it. This method is used constantly in bodybuilding
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752:Fructolysis
566:Lactic acid
175:peer review
157:Hello. The
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429:Metabolism
381:and other
285:Glycolysis
262:Glycolysis
171:assessment
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330:Diseases
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367:Insulin
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