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can argue copyright violation. If the subject of the image is still alive and could be harmed by it, then you have further options. I'm afraid you're unlikely to get very far arguing that it doesn't have illustrative value. For what it's worth I would consider your arguments compelling if I were still editing a student magazine and deciding whether to include the photo; but this is
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Americans regarded the Inughuit as 'savages' and therefore fair game for them to use. Indeed, this particular woman had first been taken by Peary as his mistress (often wrongly described as his 'wife' - he was already married to an American) when she was 14. She had two children by him.
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In her discussion of these photographs, Renée Hulan of St Mary's
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AzseicsoK. I haven't dealt much with WikiProjects, and I don't think I've ever looked at a Portal here. I don't think I was aware that a project or a portal on nudity existed. I'm curious how you found me. I am indeed a nudist and an art model, and I have some UserBoxes about both (I created
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I have taken a look at the actual members of the two categories and found only ~60 individuals when combined, for the reasons we have noted. Since
Naturists by county that did not include activists would be about ten individuals, I do not find that useful as a category and would eliminate it. Better
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As you said, this kind of practitioner rarely earns an article. So, perhaps, the best way is to assign everyone to Social nudity activists (as they all appear to be promoters of the lifestyle) and then also make sure they are associated with their proper national naturist category. Everyone would be
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category. My reasoning is that associating people with their country of activity provides a bit more information about them. It also allows people to focus only on their country or region of interest (say, someone who is only looking for information about French naturists). Any person with a page in
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I re-arranged the page and added a new feature: Recent
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Doing some work on the project home page, playing around with some design changes -- for instance, moved several sections into their existing subpages (Participants, Announcements, To do list, Web resources). My thinking is that this makes the home page a little easier to edit/manage without so much
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As I have set out at length in the discussion for the Robert Peary page, academic research has established that Peary and his fellow expedition members took a number of pornographic images of young
Inughuit women. These women - including the woman in this particular photo - were almost all married.
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There are two criteria for defining nude recreation used by naturist organizations: places were public nudity is legal; and places where there are reliable sources that state that public nudity is tolerated, although not officially. Any other places, such as remote beaches with so few visitors that
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I agree and I've noticed the dearth of valid sources outside the organizations I've examined. I marked TNS as a to do on the project page to see what others thought. The same consolidation could be done for many other pages (most of which just have short blurbs). They could be consolidated into the
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Knowledge is not censored. If you have sources, it would be appropriate to discuss Peary's behaviour in the article, and then give the image a caption indicating the circumstances under which it was taken. If it is not public domain and was put on
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Activism should be defined in a meaningful way, such as founding an organization or publishing a magazine/newsletter/guidebook, so I question some of those currently included. There are several "topfreedom" advocates are seeking the legalization of behavior that is normal in many countries, but do
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I have plunged into the project of balancing the history content between the related articles, and it is proceeding faster than I expected. I was a programmer/analyst before my retirement (although given my academic background, more of an industrial psychologist), and have come up with a method of
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The main article of this project is now down to 9000 words, and seems focused on the essentials of the topic. Anyone who writes knows that it can never be done entirely alone. The "crowd" focused on grammar and spelling has done its job, but meaningful feedback on content is rare. I have in prior
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Thanks, any help is appreciated. After more than 15 years and working on three previous GA candidates, the technical issues are no problem. I am mainly concerned with the written content, since I am too familiar with the topic to always know if I am saying too much or too little. I will make the
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as I believe it falls within the scope of the project. It would be very helpful if this article could be re-assessed, and I welcome all feedback for improvement. There is also a banner at the top of the article from 2012 requesting a need for additional citations, and I was hoping this could be
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On the subject of incoherent topics, "things considered unusual" qualifies unless the "thing" was declared unusual by an expert cited in a reliable source. This leads to the "Category" "Lists of things considered unusual". Making lists present the problem of having a source that states that the
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Also, I made a change to the way the article assessment process works. It now counts redirect pages, which weren't counted or classified previously. I don't know about anyone else, but I find it helpful to see all the redirects that fall under the project's purview. These stats now show on the
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suffer the same problem, the lack of reliable sources. Membership organizations in general tend to be of interest only to members, with sources limited to their own publications or websites, with the inevitable charge of bias or self-promotion. Specific mentions of these groups are absent from
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I am certain you will agree that such a image is inappropriate for wikipedia. It is exploitative, pornographic and racist. The individual may even have been under 18 when the photograph was taken. Since I am unable, it seems, to remove it, I am hoping that you will assist me to do so.
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Naturism article under the appropriate sections (FCN/FQN/FQN-FCN Union under Canada, AANR & TNS info under US, etc.). I was thinking that each individual country section on the
Naturism page should have a note about the national naturist representative organization.
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came and went without comment. Could I get some indication from anyone about what I have done in the past months? Any opinions about the article size? I have been considering what content could be moved to a new article, beginning with the
Prehistory of nakedness and
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However, each time I remove this image, it is reinstated by a contributor. He does not engage in the moral issues involved, but states only that I may not remove an image simply because 'I do not like it.' His tone, let it be added, is bullying and threatening.
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not advocate full nudity. There are also performance artists that appear naked or photograph naked people in public which does not further the normalization of the body that naturists seek, but instead exploit the shock value of nudity.
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text to work around all at once. My eventual goal is to make the project page somewhat resemble the Nudity Portal (double column with well-defined sections). If anyone thinks this is the wrong approach, I'll put it back the way it was.
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template? I could do this but am not really interested in doing the content merge itself since I am fixing several articles that make reference to the evolution of human nakedness and the invention of clothing: such as
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I've mentioned this before, and I think someone else did, too, at some point, but no-one answered. Shall I create a category of naturist Knowledge editors, that people can then add themselves to if they want?
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academic research on nudism in general. The mainstream media ignores naturism unless it comes up in another context, usually scandalous. I think it is sufficient to have these organization included in the
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things, while unusual, are sufficiently similar to be on the same list. Many are entirely subjective, such as lists of unusual names for things. The category is incoherent and subjective, so the
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These photographs were taken under exploitative conditions - the women were taken on board a ship, far from their homes, for many months. They are pornographic in intent and racist in origin.
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and have had participation only from editors interested in the art aspect, not nudity. I have also created a draft for an article about a model who worked for at least fifty years in DC:
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parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present.
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years submitted articles for GA review in order to draw such attention, all three having passed. Before doing so again, I would appreciate having some response on the current state of
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A) Nude protesters often aren't advocating for social nudity as a lifestyle. They use nudity as part of a larger strategy (women's rights, animal rights, and other overarching goals).
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Knowledge is assumed to be notable, and any notable naturist would have to be (by definition) an advocate for the lifestyle because they are publicly known. I think this makes the
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I have been trying for some time to remove a nude photograph of an Inughuit girl, taken in exploitative conditions, from the page for American polar explorer, Robert Peary.
1689:(3) - I don't know if there is a general rule regarding alpha order, but using the word that actually distinguishes the item makes sense, and should be applied consistently.
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category, there is inconsistency in how the sub-cats that begin with "Nudity" are alphabetically organized. Some are broken out by the relative subject area (
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and see that he was a social nudity advocate, but not a German naturist (that is, until I added that category this morning -- this is what got me thinking).
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I see that no other user has added themselves as participants of this project, but I have done so. The first articles that I edited on WP 14 years ago were
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Guilherme Burn, may I refer you to one of the UserBoxes I created for myself--about knowing the difference between a "naturalist" and a "naturist."
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If I'm interpreting your word "practitioners" correctly, it would indicate someone who is a casual naturist, but not necessarily an activist?
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10.1080/1369801X.2023.2169621 One particular photograph she discusses has a nude Inughuit woman tied to the Nast of the expedition ship.
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to a good degree, but not being a historian, it is taking a different direction, particularly by my creating a subsection on Colonialism.
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reviewed. I have since added over 30 new references to the article to improve verifiability and credibility. Thank you very much.
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