3400:(To introduce my statement, I want to make it known that a number of persons have added "Alto" to the template over the previous 5 years after analyzing the edit history, most of which had their edits reverted by user:4meter4 in that time. I was not the first, nor the only, to have this idea). Firstly, Alto is only considered a female voice. The closest male voice is a Countertenor (it is traditional that there be separate categories for male versus female voices, and it is also a timbre issue). Secondly, Alto is accepted as a vocal category at multiple institutions, including every school for secondary education I have worked with, the University of New Mexico, and others. It is ridiculous that we consider the 4 types of male voice (Bass through Countertenor) appropriate, but do not for the 4 types of female (Contralto through Soprano). Furthermore, I believe the template also requires the use of "Treble" (also known as "Boy Soprano") under a "Child" category, as that also is a voice type, constituting the type by children before the development of their voices in puberty. It is also important for children's choirs, and the voice types now used in choirs to replace the previous usage of Castratos. (Part 2) In response to the addition of previous comments, I counter your statement that opera composers do not use Alto as a voice type, citing my length of experience with the works of Manuel Areu, who does use Alto as a type.
1255:. My personal feeling is that these could be very useful, red links or not, and for the reasons you outlined. There is a school of thought that because navboxes are for navigation they should only contain "places" that you can actually navigate to. But like all things on Knowledge (XXG), it needs to be treated with common sense. I've seen quite few navboxes in other subjects with one or more red links. When creating them, you'd have to assure yourself that the ones included are indeed notable and don't already exist under a different title, which in itself would be very useful. I'm not so sure about transcluding the templates in the various lists of opera companies. Apart from it generally "not being done", you're liable to get novice editors wanting to add one and messing up the page and/or templates considerably. Also, the list format contains useful information about the red-linked companies which can help in article creation, e.g.
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pure contralto territory and the alto one line can go as high as an A above the staff which is well above the contralto in the upper area of the mezzo range. In fact choral writing or composition, as noted by several sources I can provide, is concerned not with what one individual voice or voice type can do but what an entire group of singers are capable of achieving together. For that reason I really don't think we should think of the choral terms as "voice types" but "vocal or choral parts". I think including the choral parts in the voice template with the required nuance is going to be a difficult task; particularly when trying to strike a neutral point of view that is contextualized. An easier solution would be to create a separate template entitle
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up of a mix of voice types, including contraltos, mezzo-sopranos, and more rarely countertenors. Any serious vocal pedagogue would never label a student an "alto". It's a choral term when used in a singing context not a voice type. Please remember that choirs do not categorize individual voices by type but lump singers into groups which is why mezzos can end up in soprano and alto sections and baritones can end up in tenor and bass sections, and men singing falsetto can be put in soprano, alto, or tenor sections. Further, opera composers do not use the term alto in their scores when indicating voice types for roles, and classical composers do not use the term alto for soloists in oratorio scores, art songs, etc. Best.
3221:. Viva-Verdi objected in his revert that many other table discographies have now been formatted in this style, but this "standard" style itself is not really standard at all except as used in Knowledge (XXG)'s opera project alone; it's redundant, and looks very odd. It shouldn't be necessary for anyone to have to suddenly undertake a big project of changing all of the extant tables; this could be done gradually, as they may be encountered. Some discographies of classical music that I've seen do include older formats, so perhaps the guidelines should allow for these by suggesting 78, LP, cassette, etc., as well as CD.
2699:! The texts are all made by me, I only use different pieces of information (including chronologies) to make the whole thing look complete using my own phrases. And, importantly, chronologies are virtually the only sources of information about these singers (owing to Roberto Marcocci, creator of La Voce Antica) and, judging by them, we can even make up a short biography (and this is exactly what I am doing). I'm sorry for not citing references - I'm a novice in here and sometimes I do not know how to insert a link. I am on my way to self-improvement.
2629:. Some of us have tried to be kind in mentoring this user. This article cites one source, one time. But if you go to the source, it's just a list of roles with no biographical or evaluative information. Someone else had already bannered the article saying it needs help. Today user 188.123.230.227 removed those banners but I put them back. I know one of the issues facing WP Is not discouraging new users, but this person does not appear to be reading our entreaties on how to improve one's editing. Does anyone have some suggestions? -
3617:, I'm not sure you noticed my single-sentence comment above yours; I suggested essentially the same thing. Question for you: If this new SATB template were created, would you agree that it would need to be placed in the Soprano, Alto, Tenor, and Bass articles. But, as three of the four choral voice classifications have the same term as three of the seven voice types, this would mean three voice articles will have two templates. Perhaps it would be placed in a choral music section of each of those four articles.
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2728:, thanks for getting in touch. The articles you've created are valuable additions, but you must always add a source, even if only a bare URL in a "Sources section". It's a requirement. More experienced editors will then format it properly for you. You must also avoid relying solely on chronologies from La Voce Antica (which themselves have no sourcing provided) and then guessing about the rest. As you can see from my additions to
2661:. Click on that link with caution. It's so "media-rich" it practically crashed by browser. The site markets copies of recordings of these singers (and I think their photos as well). So if there's a conflict of interest, kudos to the editor for not adding links to that site as refs. Anyhow, I've now referenced the article sufficiently to remove the tags (as I did with two of his others),
3310:, while other editors have reverted those attempts. What do the rest of us think, is Alto considered an actual voice type? If you believe so, then it should be listed in the Voice type template and the Alto article should include the template. If you believe not, then it should be left out of the Voice type template and the Alto article should not include the template. Pinging
4065:., - it would be different for FS for Carl Nielsen because that is not explained. Those who really don't know might be confused by the term "catalogue number" as well. Possibly the better option is to have no catalogue number at all in the blurb. Operas are generally not known by catalogue numbers, different from masses where there are many with similar names. --
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1204:, etc. Articles about Danish opera companies would include the template in-article, greatly increasing the chances/ frequency of updates. Any continental/ regional lists would just then include the same templates. By re-using a single list, we can halve the maintenance overhead and generally keep both national and continental lists better up-to-date.
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Vincent a promoter, who apparently worked for Hurok before leaving and founding his own promotional firm, Edgar Vincent Associates. Vincent was responsible for many singers's careers, at least as far back as Lily Pons and Risë Stevens up to his death in 1990 (he played a significant part in Cecilia Bartoli's career).
1181:, say, was a list of opera companies in Denmark, not a list of WP articles. That potentially means a navbox with red-links. It will be a lot of work to put this together, and it would be rather discouraging to discard up to half of the work because of the vagaries and accidents of enWP's selection of articles.
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tessitura: just as operatic performers are placed in a role based on their vocal classification. Each country, time period, composer and vocal school uses a variation on the classic terms. We should make our box large enough to be inclusive of the most common terminology, not just a single fixed viewpoint.
2578:. I've also wielded my handy-dandy pruning shears, but added some stuff as well. It seems OK for now. I've formatted the recordings. Gerda you were quite right to comment out for now the lengthy and badly formatted list of his "Stories in Music" which had been pasted there. I'll try to get to it later.
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Show me one vocal recital advertising an alto soloist at
Carnegie Hall, Albert Hall, or any other major venue. I guarantee you that you won't find one classical singer marketed that way. It just isn't done. Further none of the major writers in the field of vocal pedagogy or literature published by the
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You just finished the easy part; the hard part is adding it to the four corresponding voice articles. To endeavor such a process, a choral section is required in each article. This section already exists in the Tenor article but not in the
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template and Voice type article. One of them says, "A common misconception would be to use the term 'Alto' instead of 'Contralto' to refer to female voices ... 'Alto' more commonly refers to the range or notes to be sung and is not exactly a voice type." I'm guessing some editors may be more familiar
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related to the duo or their operas -- i.e., please do not include items which happen to have or include the same or a similar title as an opera, or are only tangentially related, or articles which happen to have an opera mentioned in the article. Please only include works that are direct and complete
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Mantzius did. As for Maskarade, I've done some fixing up/expansion/referencing etc. I chucked out the whole "Cultural significance" section—an unreferenced chunk of essay-cum-original research. Instead, I added a bit on that issue to the
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I think we've got it straight now. According to reliable sources and even the reflective
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Solo vocalists do not typically refer to themselves as 'altos'. It isn't an accepted vocal category within a vocal performance degree at any conservatory, college, or university. The term alto is usually used within the context of choral music. However, the alto section of a chorus is typically made
3266:. When Sony bought the huge Columbia catalog, they have left much of it in their vault and never reissued it. So to the extent that it's available at all, it would be only on the original LP release, or on a CD pirate. Some old recordings have never been transferred from their original issue on 78s.
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Articles in WP on opera singers are written generally as if the singer was wholly responsible for their career. That is usually not true: there are many people always involved in an individual's career, beginning with their teachers (if not their parents). Currently at work I'm working on materials
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was one, showing what was missing (until they were all completed), - but some editors are strongly against red links in navboxes, and I don't know if one/this project could fight them. What do you think of a list of operas in , providing a sortable table with article name, original name, other name
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open on a page, and felt impelled to add one missing company, remove a dead one, change two out-dated company names (one from 2008), and do some minor copy-editing, before sweeping through all of the
Canadian company articles, checking and correcting external links, staff changes, company names...
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Please prove it with some references
Zkidwikiltak. Show me one famous classical vocalist advertised as an alto. Show me one senior recital from Julliard, Eastman, Peabody, the New England Conservatory, Mannes, the Royal College of Music, or any other major institution with an alto as the soloist.
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I feel that the use of "cat." must be a vestige of printed catalogs. When you think of it, what catalog is "cat." referring to? Professionals don't call this number a catalog number but either a "record (or CD) number" or "issue number." I'd recommend the project use one of these terms instead. -
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Frankly, this does not make the slightest bit of sense to me. It's not just a question of making a distinction between "short" style" versus any other style; it's superfluous, and looks very odd, as well as taking up extra space. Surely there must have been some discussion of this proposed format,
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Hmmm... part of the problem here also is that some writers on vocal music are not willing to deem the choral terms with the genome "voice type"; purposely using other terms like "choral parts" or "vocal lines". Further, in choral music, the alto two line often goes well below the mezzo range into
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biographical or any other errors in the article on
Adalgisa Giana, as I have been researching into the lives and recordings of these singers for a pretty long period of my life and it is connected with my professional activities. Very little is known about these enigmatic performers, and most are
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It didn't even have an OP banner. I've stubbed and rewritten it with some independent references. It had been copied verbatim from an older version of her official website and basically hadn't been touched since it had been pasted in in 2007. She's notable enough. There are quite a lot of German
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state that alto is not really a voice type because in in actual practice the alto section of the chorus employs mezzos and contraltos and often, particularly in the UK, men using falsetto vocal production. Further, McKinney states that choral parts are designated only by vocal range and do not
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Given that opera does not own all vocal music, we should probably check the way that lower female singers / very high male singers are referred to in, for example, jazz, musicals, etc. If "alto" is a common usage there, it would be worth considering inclusion, though we'd have to discuss it a
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4meter4's statement, "Please remember that choirs do not categorize individual voices by type but lump singers into groups..." is classic nonsense. Each individual is classified and trained by their individual vocal type. They are grouped in a choir based on their particular vocal range and
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I think that part of the problem is trying to claim the term "voice type" as limited to classical operatic tradition. A title of "operatic voice type" my make the content less contentious. Alto is a commonly referred to voice type, and thus should be included in a general template or vocal
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It was the combination of the list of companies being (a) inside the article body itself, (b) open and visible, and (c) being about companies (which are, ummm.... more interchangeable or of-a-piece than most things you come across in a navbox) that made the list dangerously close to useful.
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Sure it is. (I'm not crazy about the definition as the "second highest" voice which is true when there's a four-part SATB setting. But there are plenty of settings (especially in pre-Baroque music) where the alto is somewhere in the middle depending on the texture/setting of voices.) -
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consider other aspects like tessitura, vocal weight, vocal registration, etc. Also I'm not comfortable with an opera versus choral distinction as the solo voice types are also widely used in the scores for oratorios, symphonies, concertos, art songs, and other types of compositions.
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designations but may not know that choir members are slotted into the range of notes their group is to sing according to each member's voice type. I think we need reliable sources to back up any statements to the contrary, but the discussion is lively and appreciated. Cheers, all.
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the choral music section of all five choral voice classification articles and added the headers for the new choral music section into the
Soprano and Bass articles; Knowledge (XXG) now requires the help of you and others with access to reliable sources to write these two sections.
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Re: Giuditta Pasta on 1 April: "Sorry, but per the rules, we only do births and deaths on multiples of 100 years, so she wouldn't be eligible yet." Well, I hope that they remember in the year 2065 .. and they say that WP is trying to increase the coverage of, and by, women ...
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with countertenors. It is a coincidence of etymology that the names of the four choral parts include the names of three of the seven voice types, but it is comforting that the occasional confusion has occurred since antiquity and is still being discussed. Cheers, all.
2653:. I too have tried to encourage this editor to stop putting up unreferenced articles. I guess this is a slight improvement in that at least a source was added this time, albeit a poor one. I don't think there's much we can do, apart from cleaning up after him. They
2766:. It has lots of useful places to look for reliable information. There's now a wealth of this put online by libraries in Italy and France in particular, + many rare theatre and opera books from North American libraries which you can read in their entirety at
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Speculating, I could certainly see a case where a singer in the chorus of an opera or other show was notable, and sung alto in the chorus, and thus would be most reasonably labelled as an alto. Luckily, this probably won't matter too much for this template.
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Freeman wrote his first opera in 1891, it probably wasn't performed. It then becomes a question of "first opera composed" and "first opera performed." I'm going to move that sentence in the
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Hi all. Some more comments and eyes would be helpful on this page. I am not really wanting to participate any more than what I have at this point. I have no interest in contributing my own pen to this article, but support any of you who choose to.
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Hi all, I just did a major cleanup of the article on tenor James King. It was in really bad shape, and now is passable. It could use a little fleshing out though, as the article is heavily focused on his early training and his career at the Met.
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Recently discovered this completely unreferenced article about an Olympic gold medalist who apparently later became a successful vocal coach of several famous opera singers. I just put an opera project banner on it. References would be a nice
3767:. I can see that the term "operatic" is widely used that article, but I'm not sure that that is enough reason to apply this banner. Aside: if it is, what should be its assessment class? "C" like the rating for that article's other projects?
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To my mind this was obviously a formatting error, and I thought to look at the history, where I found that another user had recently made the exact same edits that I thought were needed. However those edits had been immediately reverted by
2740:, it is not true to say that there is no other information about these singers in reliable sources. Two of them had entries in a very famous German music dictionary. One example of an error you made via guessing and which I corrected was:
1259:. Having said that, I think that page is rather misleading as it stands. Many of the entries are for annual events and/or festivals which do not have a resident or permanent company, but bring in outside productions or commission them
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It's good to get these points of view in this discussion and I welcome new ones. As this is Knowledge (XXG), however, what matters is what is published in reliable sources. I would like to read the book sources referenced by the
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Granted that voice type encompasses more than a vocal range; but as the names imply, the general terms point primarily to the core singing range of that type. Other qualifiers and subtypes speak to other qualities. The reason
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I did a tiny bit too. I sense this was created by someone close to the subject, so some of the text borders on puffery. (The one reference I checked was very different from what the original article author wrote.) -
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of opera discography editors. My own suspicion is that this format was more likely a relatively idiosyncratic usage, begun by perhaps one or two editors. It's certainly not "standard" in anything else I've ever seen.
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2.) Upload photographs or other media related to LGBT culture and history, including pride events, and add images to relevant Knowledge (XXG) articles; feel free to create a subpage with a gallery of your images (see
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That's an even better suggestion from Gerda—just leave it out. It's only the blurb, and the less technical/verbose it looks, the more likely people who are unfamiliar with opera would be tempted to click and read.
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to a catalogue number appears to be a format unique not only to Knowledge (XXG), but unique to the opera project as opposed to other classical music or other types of music, and within the opera project, unique to
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Thank you voceditenore! Great work! One thought, should the opera singer cats be placed on the Mantziu article? Or should his two appearances in operas be regaurded as more of a blip in an otherwise busy acting
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All I did was revert some vandalism, and I'm not a music expert by any means, but maybe the issue is that alto is usually thought of as being in the male range, while in the template it's in the female section?
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Does anyone object to my putting "catalogue number" in front of what's obviously (for you) a catalogue number? I'm not looking to do that in article text, I'm just aiming at a broad readership at TFA. - Dank
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Yikes, poor Norman; he's normally quite accurate and quite a good source. :-( He does love breaking stories though ... I guess he shouldn't be tracking uncited Knowledge (XXG) edits from anonymous IPs.
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Dear opera enthusiasts: Here's an old AfC draft that needs references. I see quite a few news reports, but they are not in English. Is this a notable topic, and should the page be kept and improved?
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need to identify as LGBT or any other gender or sexual minority to participate. This campaign is about adding accurate, reliable information to Knowledge (XXG), plain and simple, and all are welcome!
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To help crystallise thought and reactions, here are the two first rough lists for France and for Italy. These initial lists are taken from the professional opera companies which are members of the
3507:. If we are to add 'alto' to the voice type template I think we need to make it clear it is a choral classification in the template. FYI, two highly respected vocal pedagogues James McKinney in
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If anyone wants to add other notable opera composer/librettist duos, who wrote at least three operas together (hopefully most of them notable), please do so. These are all that I can think of.
3892:, our opera of the month. However, there is no mention of Mantzius' work as an opera singer in his article, only his work as an actor. This might be a good time to update accordingly. Best.
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in order to create a DAB page. Unfortunately he did not change the majority of the articles that are supposed to link to the operetta, and therefore there are multiple articles (including
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2758:. She almost certainly did not study in the US as she was already an established singer when she joined Lambardi's American tour in 1907. I corrected a similar error about Adalgisa Giana
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utilize alto as a voice type for a solo singer. I can provide a plethora of published sources stating their are only three voice types for women: soprano, mezzo-soprano, and contralto.
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3175:. Of course if any format has become a de facto "standard", then it's entirely appropriate to specify that standard in the guidelines. My question then becomes, was the inclusion of
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and the accompanying comments pretty much sum up the chap. It has one from me too, aka "Anonymous" (scroll down). Even his books are riddled with errors of both fact and judgement.
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The addition of such a choral section in each article lead me to realise the structure of the voice articles could be more consistent. I have just restructured them. Cheers.
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This is just an entreaty to others in the project to not forget including agents or promoters in articles who are often instrumental in singers' and organizations' career.
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in the process, I've noted a lot of errors that needed correcting. A lot of the material is based purely on conjecture and extrapolation from limited "amateur" sources.
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to me also addresses other important issues, not copied here, but which are worthy of further discussion by this project. (Also see his link to the 2010 discussion.)
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but having no idea how to find it in the project's gazillions of archives I asked
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http://slippedisc.com/2015/05/sad-news-a-towering-tenor-has-died-aged-89/
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in 1908. In 1909 she moved to Italy, where she kept on singing till 1920"
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2434:, French composer. (1865, 150 years) (Start, not tagged as WP Opera)
2416:, Handel; London, King's Theatre, 25 May 1715. (300 years). (Start)
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of the article. Without a reliable source, this is a serious
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who have recently contributed to the template. Cheers, all.
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This article is one of the recent creations of the new user
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I am against it, because there is a link, as would be for
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official adaptations of the original work(s). Thank you.
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A Manual for Teachers of Singing and for Choir Directors
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if he could recall any such discussion and decision. He
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Long-Unheard Harlem Renaissance Opera Coming in June
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the discography article for each of the three operas
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598:discography articles for each opera, where present
3198:Personally, I would have written the 1952 Callas
2952:, who wrote a well-regarded biography of Mozart.
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2379:Approaching anniversaries of an operatic nature:
2356:leave a message on the campaign's main talk page
4168:) that are now wikilinked to the wrong article.
3942:still needs a recording section, though. Best,
3829:. Comments to the templated listing welcome at
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673:http://www.cairoopera.org/companies.php?lan=En
3825:FA for Viva-Verdi today!) - has an elaborate
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3770:The same question applies to the jazz album
3631:I think that is an excellent idea Prhartcom.
3509:The Diagnosis and Correction of Vocal Faults
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2333:, an officially recognized affiliate of the
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147:Category:Musicals by Rodgers and Hammerstein
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3658:I went ahead and created the template at
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3821:who made the compilation (and achieved
3060:Use of "Cat:" in table style recordings
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3597:Voice type#Choral music classification
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2948:One person who did die this week was
2443:, Danish composer. (1865, 150 years)
1120:Thanks VdT. I too was thinking: that
957:Unreferenced article that is full of
151:Category:Musicals by Rodgers and Hart
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1502:Théâtre national de l'Opéra Comique
1009:. It came up by accident - I wrote
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2518:Hi all. This article on conductor
2514:New article by newbie needing help
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1179:List of opera companies in Denmark
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1257:List of opera companies in Europe
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1282:Réunion des Opéras de France
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2362:Thanks, and happy editing!
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3030:Cue the Mark Twain quote.
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2330:Wikimedia LGBT+ User Group
2161:They look good to me too,
2100:Teatro Lirico Sperimentale
1880:Teatro Comunale Ponchielli
1671:Maggio Musicale Fiorentino
1458:Opéra national de Lorraine
1348:Opéra National de Bordeaux
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666:Cairo Opera Ballet Company
582:"Libiamo ne' lieti calici"
106:Archives Table of Contents
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3919:, who created Leonard in
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3741:I occasionally trawl the
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2141:List of composers by name
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1601:Opéra Royal de Versailles
1311:Opera companies in France
1199:Opera companies in Sweden
1164:Opera companies in Canada
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125:Template:Rodgers and Hart
111:Requested opera templates
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3849:13:42, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
3839:, under construction, --
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2375:Some round anniversaries
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1623:Opera companies in Italy
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843:01:34, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
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117:Template:Kander and Ebb
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1847:Teatro Massimo Bellini
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182:The Marriage of Figaro
3320:User:Michael Bednarek
3284:Is Alto a voice type?
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2186:A Scholar Under Siege
447:Francesco Maria Piave
423:"E lucevan le stelle"
296:Die ägyptische Helena
256:Hugo von Hofmannsthal
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3996:Talk:Kathleen Battle
3934:'s splendid work on
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2882:On An Overgrown Path
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743:reported in the past
535:La forza del destino
403:"Donna non vidi mai"
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2259:culture and history
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1682:Teatro Carlo Felice
1337:Opéra Grand Avignon
1326:Angers-Nantes Opéra
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801:Draft:Balázs Kocsár
572:"La donna è mobile"
413:"Recondita armonia"
4162:Marinka (operetta)
3855:James King (tenor)
3572:Perhaps create an
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2644:I feel your pain,
2455:Tristan und Isolde
2214:Closed as "Keep".
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3129:User:Voceditenore
3066:Norma discography
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