Knowledge talk:WikiProject Albums/Archive 76

3928:" without citing a shred of actual evidence to back that up. (I couldn't find one in my own research, and I'd never heard that claim in my decades of being a Beatle fanatic, either.) I'd say their editorial policy reads like word salad, especially considering the questionable content they've produced. Perusing the four-person staff on LinkedIn, Lee Thomas-Mason is the founder and Editor-in-Chief, but all of his experience appears to be in sports journalism and online betting. Looks like Karlien Engelen comes from a similar background. The only one who looks like he has some experience in the actual music industry is Ryan Kitching 850:... It's better that regular editors proactively ask about non-listed sources if they are using them more than a couple of times. Another problem is great-looking sites, like The Vinyl District or Vinyl Me, Please, where the primary commerciality overwhelms everything (in the case of The Vinyl District, its long reviews of older albums always just seem like syntheses of decades of writing that never add up to anything fresh or anything that isn't already mentioned in the WP article on, as an example, 641:'s edit there is perfectly valid and standard practice for those lists which we've been doing for multiple years now. Nothing unserious about it. And I think you're misunderstanding their point by stating the inverse; I believe they are saying that if what you say is held to be true, then the inverse should be as well, as to call out the absurdity of the notion. i.e. They disagree with the idea that the source should be removed. I don't see anything that reads as intentionally provocational here. 445:

default. I had stated that if I looked at it the other way, any citation refused must be unreliable, and thus must be included in the unreliable list. I was using this as an example of a bad argument, because of course one would not automatically put a refused citation on the unreliable list, which then leads to the realization that of course, one would not put a used citation automatically on the reliable list. There is a procedure to get a citation on the reliable list. It can be used for

31: 3750:, which seems to have far fewer citations than perhaps it should (among other issues). So my next question is: does the lack of citation requirement still hold true if I'm talking about prose rather than a personnel or track listing section? Or should prose that lists credits like that be removed, since it usually sounds kind of promotional? I'd appreciate any advice, and thanks for your patience as I'm still learning the ropes. :-) @ 115:. I disagreed with Justin, and seeing that the discussion was going nowhere and not particularly healthy for either of us, I'm bringing it here. Should this review (or any review from an undiscussed/underdiscussed source) be removed without consensus for its inclusion? Or is it fine as is until proven otherwise? The latter is the way I've been operating for a long time (including multiple occasions where I've sourced from 842:, has a poor (nonexistent?) resume, and ends his review with "Production-wise, this album sounds much cleaner and articulate than LOUDMOUTH and is a lot more fun to boot. It doesn’t always hit, but maybe it doesn’t need to. If you don’t like a song, you’re onto the next before you know it." Incisive!--but there have been AllMusic, etc., reviews along similar lines. And "Contributor X has published in 3524:

baffled that a more reliable database for this hasn't surfaced yet and I'm wondering if I'm missing something. I know some people have used the databases of particular record labels (I think UMG has one?) but I just wanted to poll others and see if they have strategies they could recommend as I work on cleaning up the American women record producers category. Thanks in advance!

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Mburrell used the term "self-notable" in the edit summary, which I like to think is fairly self-explanatory given the content of the edit. I guess it could be potentially confusing to some, but I would hope experienced editors could figure it out themselves instead of calling it out mid-discussion in an accusatory fashion without any context.

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plenty of reliable publications covering music news so I wouldn't expect much need for it. On top of that, we don't know who's running the show or what writers will be involved (they could all end up being Fantano fans for all we know) so the potential for reliability is up in the air. I wouldn't get my hopes up too much about this.

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Honestly, the little I've seen from that website in the past almost seems on par with a content farm. They also have a YouTube channel (abandoned for nine months now), and I've found a good deal of their work is clickbaity and dubious. For example, they had a viral article and video where they boldly

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I really wish I could find the guideline buried somewhere here that suggested you should elide between two adjacent numbers with an en dash. Separating them with commas makes the most sense to me as well, and that was how I used to do it...until I ran across the aforementioned text that suggested you

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I think it's usually just hyphens when it's cover a range. So, for example, to express tracks 3, 4, 5, and 6, you'd just write 3-6, but if it's just single or paired numbers, you don't use a hyphen. So if it was tracks 1, 2, 9, 10, you'd just write out 1, 2, 9, 10. That's only what I've observed over

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makes it clear that you should explicitly cite anything that's not in the liner notes. I will sometimes also do it if I'm cleaning up a lot of mistakes or omissions in a personnel section (which is a frequent problem, I find) as a sort of signal to future editors that the credits were verified. I've

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The announcement mentions that there'll be no reviews or features, just news coverage, so this probably won't make much of a difference regarding Fantano's reviews. Those will probably be separate from this and unchanged, so everything that's been said about him previously still applies, and we have

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Wanted to start a discussion about this source as I can't find anything about it and its music-related so I didn't want to take it to RSN. Would you guys think that Uproxx is a reliable source? I would say that it'd be useful to add to the source table as a case-by-case scenario. A few articles from

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Whether consensus is required or not, or even whether he disagrees or not, there's no rule saying he can't bring it up for discussion just for the sake of clearing the air. I don't disagree that it's potentially controversial, especially with how many subcategories have been made (there are ones for

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Nope, don't understand you as an editor. Let's just leave it that I am serious about my edits, you are serious about your edits, we both deserve to be here, and we think differently. Please do not go into ad hominem attacks and assume I am joking or that I am throwing out disruptive edits. I find

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Holding an issue hostage? No. I'm trying to get clarity on what your proposal is. To answer your question, yes, we should assume that something published on the Internet is unreliable until we know otherwise. As for your suggestion, maybe you haven't actually read the thread that we're in, because I

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verifying particular credits on an album (for example, who is listed as a producer vs. a songwriter, etc.)? I understand that there have been many discussions about Discogs, and I'm not trying to challenge that, but does anyone have any alternatives that they use to cite artist credits? I'm kind of

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unreliable in the case of Seely, just that they were not unquestionable passes and GA nominators should always be ready to justify source use; as it was, the nom had other significant issues so it never came to that being discussed. But as to their reliability in a broader sense, are there examples

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Yes, this is generally how it has functioned historically, and largely how other WikiProjects handle their similar lists. Some of it is contextual - it doesn't take a full investigation to find that "FooFightersWikia" or "FrankiePoopz420.blogspot" are unreliable sources, but other publications that

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Quick question regarding number ranges: if you're noting duties in the personnel section and someone appeared on two tracks adjacent to one another, do you list them individually or connect them with an en dash? For example, if someone played guitar on tracks 4 and 5, do you list them as "4, 5" or

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Yeah, it took me years to learn the ropes here, and there's always more to learn. Don't be afraid to ask for help. And as for your last question, credits in prose definitely require sourcing, as voorts mentioned. The citation non-requirement QuietHere was referring to only applies to things like

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I haven't really engaged with this site since I asked about it four years ago--Richard probably said it best when he noted that farming out freelancing is how things are going (along with memoir/autobiographical-heavy criticism and constant listicle/retrospective stuff like "The 15 best shoegaze

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Well maybe Mburrell does think it's absurd to assume unreliability. That seems like a potentially overly strict practice to me. And who says anything was assumed in the first place? In this case, we've even discussed the reliability of the source before, so there's no assumptions being made. And

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as a source. No, that does not qualify it for the Reliable Source list without analysis and a vote. We can turn this around too. If we can't use it as a source, does it automatically go on the unreliable list? I would say that items on the unreliable list also need a discussion and a vote. My

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That makes sense to me, but now I'm wondering if in your second example, it should be 1-2, 9-10, since some of those numbers are consecutive? As opposed to a group of tracks in which none of the numbers are consecutive (1,3,5,7 for example). Not suggesting an answer, just adding more questions,

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Sorry, did not read your post thoroughly, I agreed that citations were not inherently reliable, but that is not what you said. Let's just leave it that I cannot agree with your position, I have clearly stated my argument two times and I don't understand how it is not clear with you. So, I am

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onto the reliable list, or won't let anyone use it for a citation. I never implied or stated that you asked for it to be on the unreliable list. I was just turning your argument around. You state that any citation used must be then reliable, thus, it must be included in the reliable list by

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Thanks. It is not absurd to say "Sources should be assumed to be unreliable until we know otherwise" but it is absurd to say "sources should be assumed to be reliable until we know otherwise". Additionally, the comment he left here was "if a source is not inherently unreliable, leave it in a

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and sometimes I see disputes on talk pages about whether an artist is truly a "producer" or not, so I thought it might be helpful to verify credits for that purpose, as well as when credits are mentioned in prose, rather than in a personnel or track listing section, as in the case of

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clearly stating that if a source is not known to be unreliable, go ahead and use it, and if someone can then show it is unreliable, state the reasons why it is unreliable when you remove it. As others have said, the Reliable List is not a whitelist of the only acceptable sources.

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sites (The Boot, Taste of Country, etc.) -- seems to have editorial oversight and a stable team of writers, therefore should be considered reputable (was also questioned on the failed GA of Jeannie Seely, but passed muster in several other GA-class country music articles).

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Being unlisted doesn't imply anything - I make no assumption either way. We as editors, when using such sources, should be able to make those judgements. In particular, a source that has been discussed here, but for which no consensus was reached, is not automatically

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Samesies. The comment you struck (thank you for doing that) seemed like pure provocation for the purpose of being... something? But since you evidently misread me and maybe somehow I'm being unclear, then that's a perfectly plausible explanation. Anyway.

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I agree, still way too early, and another site that's going to rewrite press releases or report what other sites have reported ... got enough of those. We'll have to see if a reliably edited staff is actually going to "break news". Beyond his status at

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You have the direction of causality backwards and are making up things about my perspective. Either way, I'm just trying to clarify what your perspective is and the assumption that sources are reliable until you know otherwise is the opposite of what

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That's definitely relevant to my question-- when you say you use liner notes, you mean physical ones, right? and if so, do you limit yourself to records you own? or do you find them at record stores or at libraries or? (Just asking out of curiosity)

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source contradicts the previous one.I don't know what sources in general say regarding this, but if there is a disagreement among them, some of options are: list several dates, say "...was written in mid-late 1970s", or remove this phrase entirely.

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should use an en dash between them, at which point I changed. Now it appears I'll have to go back to the style I was using before, and I'll probably spend hours fixing the ones I did elide, because I'm OCD that way. I have a headache.—

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To be clear, I am not strictly opposed to the new categories, I was just responding to PSW regarding the justification for the discussion. And my typing "by year" was a mistake; I meant to refer to "by language" and "album types".

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No objections either. They are all reputable sources. Oermann is a writer and a music historian. The Boot and Taste of Country all have editors. Their not blogs either which some Knowledge editors seem to assume but they are not.

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I'd say the majority of the time I use liner notes from physical media in my own collection. Sometimes I will work from a scanned image of the liner notes, if I can find it online, but you must cite the notes directly using the

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of clearly unimpeachable sources using or referencing their coverage? That means a lot more than "they've got a masthead and an editorial policy", which is really the bare minimum we should be looking for in any non-SP source.

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I've seen it floated before, but I feel it should be made official. Several sources have come up with concerns as to their reliability, especially within country music. I feel all of these sources are reputable enough:

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track listings and personnel sections, and only when it's a straightforward case. If you're editing an album/song page and including information beyond what the liner notes contain, you need to cite a source.—

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so that may no longer be an issue. They had also been consistent about disclosing their connection to their parent company over the years so I don't think it was a huge problem, or at least not compared to

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For those interested--not many, I assume--please weigh in on this ongoing edit war, in the article and on the talk page. I imagine that editors, including myself, are close to receiving blocks. Thank you.

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Yeah, GA/FA is part of why I often put a citation for the liner notes in the personnel section. I also frequently find that an album's liner notes are incomplete or don't contain credits at all, and

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Consensus isn't required for change. If you don't disagree, why are you requesting others to comment? The categories were overly large and so its understandable that Jevansen would split them. —

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often found that editors will come into a personnel section and make changes that do not accurately reflect the liner notes, and leaving a ref seems to (usually) thwart that. In the case of

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edit and to me it neither supports 1980 (it says he was working on the song in 1979) nor refutes 1976 (he could have started working on it in 1976 and was still working on it by 1979). Then

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suggestion is to not revert sourced citations that are not specifically listed as unreliable, and if a source causes you heartburn, propose it here as a title to add to the unreliable list.

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Never posted about an actual content/sourcing dispute here before, but this is getting close to edit warring. Please weigh in on this disagreement: In which year did Bunny Wailer write "

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Are you holding an issue hostage? Answer to #2 is a yes. Only forbidden sources are on the unreliable list. Answer to #1 is not a yes or a no, it is a yes and a no. Yes, you can use

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is not listed on the LinkedIn page, but he also appears to have experience himself). I'm personally not sure whether or not this site is reliable, I'd like to hear what y'all think.

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Only if there are three or more consecutives numbers in a row, e.g. "1, 2" and "1–3". The point is that it elides track numbers, and there's nothing to be elided between 1 and 2.

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citation, don't just remove it" and then immediately went to an article and removed citations that were made up of reliable sources. I hope you can see how that is confounding. ―

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I know, that's what I meant by "to be created". Either way, I think it's unfair to consider it unreliable when it really isn't. I'd say even "reliable" is more fair, because it

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be broken up by decade..."). Jevansen, can you please comment on what your rationale is, what you're planning on doing, and if there's some consensus that I've missed? ―

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Someone once called him Melon (presumably because his bald head looks like one) and ever since his fans call him that. Eventually, he also started using this nickname.

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then it would be, but as far as I'm aware that just means they're freelancers and not staff writers. I am aware there were concerns regarding a conflict of interest as

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articles when they pop up on my newsfeed because it feels like they're always drawn-out clickbait articles. You know, stuff like "You won't believe this crazy reason

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You did not read what I wrote. I just wrote: we should assume that sources are unreliable until we know otherwise and you wrote the exact inverse. Is this a joke?

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that approach offensive and non-collaborative. Please back off and think about how your comments may be taken before posting something that seems like an attack.

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Chaz Kangas wrote for Bandcamp Daily, Complex UK, Los Angeles Times, LA Weekly, Newsbreak, Phoenix New Times, Riverfront Times, The Village Voice (source:

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list isn't exhaustive, turning it into a whitelist isn't right IMO. Certainly not while it takes several attempts to add a single site to the list. As for

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The removal of sources in that instance was because the listed releases have articles which display their own clear notability. We do that for all of the

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that are considered by Wikipedians to be of poor and/or questionable quality, which could raise some potential concerns. The editor in chief, however,

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Darryl G. Wright (author of the piece) has been "critiquing pop culture and music since the 80's." From what I can find, he's written for PopMatters

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has used original research, personal opinion, and sources that don't actually report what they're being used to report. Thanks for any help.

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is only an issue because it is known that there is little to no editorial oversight for those articles (see the same problem discussed at

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Agreed. So if a source is not inherently unreliable, leave it in a citation, don't just remove it. I am glad we are on the same page.

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Well I've finished anyway. For what it's worth, I'm not using any diffusing methods that weren't already in place. There were existing

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Editors still disagree about whether a Guardian review of MJ the Musical should be included in the "Critical response" section of the

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God, it looks like I have a lot of documentation I've yet to read. Thanks for all the support and guidance-- I really appreciate it!

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The Cure FAQ: All That’s Left to Know About the Most Heartbreakingly Excellent Rock Band the World Has Ever Known by Christian Gerard

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be used as a source (and therefore added to the list) and 2.) should we use sources that aren't on the list? What say you about #1? ―

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There is an RfC at the above page on how the article's lede should be written. Please contribute if you are interested. Thank you.

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assume that and need to and we certainly must not assume the inverse where sources are just assumed to be reliable ipso facto. ―

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A music publication that provides that information would also be reliable. Some reviews will note songwriters, producers, etc.

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Human Rights, Social Movements and Activism in Contemporary Latin American Cinema by Mariana Cunha and Antônio Márcio da Silva

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s editorial page and where some of its contributors have published; I sympathize with Justin, as Bill Cooper, the reviewer of

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split by decade and I have diffused some of the very large language categories (eg Spanish which had over 1000) in line with

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Except for the part where that citation isn't required at all because it is assumed that the liner notes are the source, as

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Over the next few days I plan to open a few threads about some really popular music magazines that are still not listed in

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We appear to be no closer to reaching consensus here, so if any other editors would like to contribute, please check in.

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I see multiple staff writers/editors with work at numerous reliable publications (including one of my favorite writers,

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was "created by a collective of female-led music journalists, creatives and photographers" and founded by the former

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related to music. This really doesn't mean much right now, but will this affect TND's reliability in the long run?

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be used, just depends on the context, and this could be added as a note in the "Discussions/Limitations" column.

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Based on this, I believe it can be assessed as reliable. Opening this thread for discussion before adding it to

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The Screen Music of Trevor Jones: Technology, Process, Production by David Cooper, Ian Sapiro and Laura Anderson

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The Afterlife in Popular Culture: Heaven, Hell, and the Underworld in the American Imagination by Kevin O'Neill

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Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Archive_67#Proposed_reliable_sources_for_Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Sources

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You make a plenty convincing case, and my experiences with the source have been good. I support its addition.

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Agreed 100%. And thank you for bringing my attention to the term "churnalism," which I was unfamiliar with.—

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The Battle over America's Origin Story: Legends, Amateurs, and Professional Historiographers by Brian Regal

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See also two times when it was discussed, including one where I was the person asking for it to be added:

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specifically), and I'm sure many other editors have been as well. But does this behavior need to change?

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I don't have an answer for this question. However, I do agree with you. Knowledge operates under the "

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Not sure if this is what you're asking, but I always use liner notes and cite them directly, as per

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tl;dr: if my old Roughstock reviews from 2009 are reliable, then so are all of these. What say you?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=XOXO_(Jeon_Somi_album)&diff=prev&oldid=1236202837

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Post-9/11 Heartland Horror: Rural horror films in an era of urban terrorism by Victoria McCollum

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should be used as a sufficient criterion for reliability, but not as a necessary one. That is:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=List_of_2024_albums&diff=prev&oldid=1233895068

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albums of 1992" or "The most awesome albums from the first 7.23 weeks of 2023"). ATA noted

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Oh, I totally missed that part of the style advice guide. Thanks for pointing that out.

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pages because of concerns regarding the size of and number of templates in the list.

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should be in the list, as I also said in one of the discussions Justin linked above.

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The description is pretty clear, and there hasn't been any confusion on the matter.

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implies reliability (which is a spectrum, and each source has its own notes there).

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I'd still say that "reliable" would be slightly more accurate, but you're right.

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journalist Jonathan Keefe. Was accepted as an RS in GA-class articles such as

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This is a source that I've come across many times while source searching for

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be moved from "unreliable" to a (to be created?) "situational", according to

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Kenneth Goldsmith's Recent Works on Paper: Exactly Wrong by Daniel Morris

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for media sources. Sometimes even the reliable ones let loose a doozy.

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If you want to bring an article to GA or FA, it will need a citation.

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Popular Music, Critique and Manic Street Preachers by Mathijs Peters

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Thank you for the analysis and to him for giving his perspective. ―

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I'm mostly asking because I'm working on cleaning up articles in

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being made at all and 2.) there should be some language added to

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Colin Fitzgerald wrote for PopMatters, Tiny Mix Tapes (source:

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Talk:Busted (2002 Busted album)#Requested move 20 August 2024

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article. Any interested editors, please contribute to the

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aren't so obviously shouldn't be rejected so immediately.

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makes clear about track listings and personnel sections.

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should be included in "Critical response" section of the

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that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.

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Thanks for being patient with us out-of-step xennials. ―

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Seconded. No objections based on what's presented here.

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that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.

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be broken up by decade..." or "Once a category reaches

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Arthur (Or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire)

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as I believe it is fairly uncontroversially reliable.

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I'm indifferent to its use, and anyone is free to be

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some have sources written by staff editors of Uproxx

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