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that the disputed image was promotional, we also know that it is inaccurate, i.e. not one that was actually used. There is absolutely no justification for putting it into the article, and DrBat has a long history of pointless revert warring and policy violations. He uploaded his image at least three times after it was deleted through IFD process (and repeatedly speedy deleted after that point), which is just obnoxious.
2190:. And remember that if you rewrite information taken from another site, it's a derivative work, and so still a copyvio. You need to chuck out everything copied directly from elsewhere and, if able, substitute your own from-scratch version of the thing in question. If the whole article history is copyvio, get it deleted and start again, if not, revert to the last non-copyvio version and move on from there. -
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identity a separate page? I confronted this problem third times ina week now, and as I saw others have the dilemma (some reverts, some tags it, some initiates discuss on talk page). If you ask me I really think they should remain enlisted in one article with different entries for each of them until the page gets too long (in kilobytes). Please answer, if someone knows the exact
2443:. I believe that the informatin should be added as the Heroclix is closely related to the comic book characters. There's an option to show the characters in other media, and is not Heroclix just another form of media? Yes, the Heroclix are merchandise, but because they are so closely ingrained with the comic book characters, they add another dimisnion to them.
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than a fictional comic book. And for those who would try to argue that fan perspective is dispositive, consider that more people are exposed to the average movie or cartoon episode than the average comic book issue. Are
Superman's parents dead or alive? Neither. The answer entirely depends on what you're reading or viewing.
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is a "List of significant stories" that appears way not
Wikistyle, what with temporal terms as as "recent"; uncited and contradictory statements ("Some fans consider this one of the best recent Dr. Strange stories. Others consider the plot rather standard"), non-encyclopedi language ("save his mother
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In my opinion, it should be done according to amount of text in the article. There should only be separate pages if each character has been featured enough to deserve his own page. For example, in the Magma article, the Amara Aquila character should be the headliner, with the other two (specially the
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That was due to fixing a cut and paste move which separated the page history. The edit summary made a note that the page would be back soon. It takes a while for the cache to refresh and allow the correct version to be reinstated. That's one reason why people shouldn't perform cut and paste moves.
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Okay, I've rewritten to remove POV and also remove all the reguritated press releases. Note we can't just post entire press releases, that violates copyright and is also against policy. I tweaked the image, to my mind the poster advertising the series has more of a fair use claim than the cover of a
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I responded, you just kept spamming my page with the same message over and over again while I was writing back to you. Anyone can check your discussion page to see that. Don't try to paiint me out as the bad guy here. You are the person who spammed my page over and over with the same messages while
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I too prefer using the actual cover, for the reasons
Postdlf outlines above. Also; there's the possibility that the art can change between solicitation and printing. I don't think we have a good fair use claim on images which the publisher has rejected for purposes of illustrating the character. If
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character, after all, that does not exist outside of those stapled folds of paper), 2) the cover image itself then functions as a cited source for the article, with the comic title, issue number, and date visible, and 3) I believe we have a much stronger fair use argument when it comes to using comic
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states that it should be kept brief, 'cause elaboration should be done in the main article body, but nearly every box I see "violates" the standard. Can we get an impromptu vote on whether (a) the policy needs to be reevaluated, or (b) stick with existing policy and remove excess info? I don't think
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This section says, for example, "Some consider Ditko, Englehart, and Stern the three writers to have mastered Dr. Strange." Aside from there being no citation, it shard to imagine that scripter and co-creator Stan Lee would be left out, for example. What is the criteria for inclusion here? Are these
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I believe this needs verfication on a character by character bais. In particular, G'nort might have been one-note during the Bwa-ha-ha
Justice League, but his numerous appearances throughout the years warrent his own article. On the topic of Abin Sur, he is a character that is part of the genesis of
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Many of these characters have their own detailed histories and have appeared in more than five issues (often times spanning multiple GL books and volumes). Compressing them all here will eventually create a super-article that will be almost unmanagable and at the same time divert almost every single
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Is anyone going to object to characters like G'nort, the various unpronouncable
Lanterns, and such being merged into such a list? I don't want to step on any toes, but right now I see several articles saying little more than "Such-and-such Green Lantern appeared in issue #X, where he participated in
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Thanks for responding. Yes, there are "other media" sections, but there is a difference between media such as movies and television, and merchandise like heroclix, trading cards, etc.. There isn't enough room in character entries to list every piece of merchandise that the character has appeared on,
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I think it should depend on how the characters relate to each other. For those last three (Red Skull, Green Goblin, and
Hobgoblin) I would keep them in the same article, as it is more or less the same character. For the first three (Sentry, Magma, Tarantula) I'd split them because the characters are
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I don't think I disagree with you, and perhaps I overstated if I suggested that canon should not at all be documented...but while canon is important to fans and comic book writers, it's simply an element that
Knowledge (XXG) contributors need to consider rather than a content-determining framework.
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Note also that this image can only be used as fair use in articles which discuss the rejected nature of the image, and that it should also be captioned to the effect that it is rejected artwork. I don't believe there is a fair use justification for using this image as the charcter description image
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I would disagree with Kelly Martin's claims that promotional images are somehow more acceptable than cover images, as cover images are verifiable and undisputable and hold far more obvious fair use purposes. "Promotional" is an extremely nebulous declaration, and in this case not only do we not know
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Blurrier than I thought - I thought it was a solicitation image (which are released every month, three months before the comics in question are due to be released, as part of the ordering process to entice people to pre-order the comics). It's still promotional, but in a far more informal fashion. -
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If you are intent on having HC info included on wikipedia, I think that a better location for it would be under the HC entry itself, with the specific sets listing which characters are in it. At the very *most*, perhaps you could create a category such as "Heroclix character", and add that category
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profile in the 1989 Update OHOTMU which was wiped out in totality by later stories), strength level/etc statistics, obscure relatives, etc. On the same principle we arrived at on not allowing images created for
Handbooks in articles, I can't see how we can use this stuff in WP profiles, except when
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The deletion of the second image is regrettable. I also cannot agree that it is essentially the same image; there is an essential difference. That difference being that Marvel have endorsed one but not the other. As I stated above, but will repeat, that makes a fair use defence of the unendorsed
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Is there any consensus on how to edit articles about fictional characters having the same name in the same timeline in the same universe (publisher)? We should merge all those, who run under the same name while separating them into section titled after their "real name"? Or we have to create every
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leads to a forum which is by no means official and to bring it up for discussion here, but he went and reverted the image anyway. Now putting aside his actions, let's assume for the sake of argument that this image is indeed promotional. If that's the case, isn't this then a better image to use to
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Such as whom? This may just be a misunderstanding; anyone who can sustain their own article without bloat isn't going to be merged (or at least isn't going to be reverted if you unmerge them). Personally, I was planning on merging the filler GL characters; not Tomar Re or
Kilowog or Sinestro, but
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also recognizes that multiple story frameworks involving the character exist, often but not always defined by separate media, while "canon" disfavors some stories or media (or simply earlier stories) to boost one particular continuity as the "truth." A fictional cartoon is no more or less "true"
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The problem is that my own bias seems to have gotten in the way. Its too slanted toward the argumant that it wasn't. I've been hoping that somebody from the other side of the argument would edit it and make things more balanced. So far the only person that has is an anonylous user who seems to be
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and make it about Conan comics in general? Otherwise people will want to create a page for every Conan series ever made. And there were a few, especially during the speculator boom, when Marvel published three monthly Conan titles (Conan, Conan the
Adventurer and Conan the Savage). And then there
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To explain my motivation for focusing on G'nort: the character is heavily indicative of the Bwa-ha-ha style that Giffen and DeMatteis wrote during the late 80s/early 90s. It helped revive JLA titles and didn't let the writing take itself too seriously. What is unique and interesting is that this
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Just wanted to let my colleagues know there is now an ACBA entry. Some of the awards are listed as "n.a." (information not available), so any help in confirmably and verifiably filling in the gaps would be cool. Also needed: Any info on who was president when, and when/where awards banquets took
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Actually, even if this image isn't usable, as it appears it isn't, the current image isn't acceptable - have you SEEN it? Huge rainbow patterning, mistoned whites and blacks... as I say, if DrBat's image isn't usable, I don't think the current image is "acceptable" for quality (as opposed to FU)
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illustrate the character? We have a better legal argument as well as a better quality image. The only thing left to discuss is whether the displaying of the character within the context of the comic cover outweighs these other aspects, so I leave it to the WikiProject members to figure this out.
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Unless a comic specifically cites events from a particular novel, we can assume they are not canon. The X-Men/Star Trek novel is definitely not canon (to either franchise); on the other hand, the events of SUPERMAN: MIRACLE MONDAY were indeed confirmed as being part of the (Pre-Crisis) Superman
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That sounds kinda a logical solution, but think of the practical aspect first. Some of the namesakes above can't stand their own article, beacuse of the lack of information that can (or can't) be found in comics. But being so they're still superheros/villains not just supporting characters and
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There is no fair use claim in using this image to illustrate the character, nor can it be tagged as promotional, comic book cover, comic scene or comic panel. The best tag would be fair use in, providing an article in which it would be fair use in could be found. Promotional images are those
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does not stop people breaking out characters from the list to their own articles in the future when the information on them warrants it. If the articles are all stubs now, merge them. If they are of sufficient size to remain as articles, leave them be. But rememver, all articles should be
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It makes sense to me that the article can document the characters in non-canonical instances as long as they are specified as non-canonical. I mean, wouldn't we be remiss if we didn't mention the X-men or Batman cartoons? And if it is granted that the cartoons should be mentioned, though as
375:, which one of the users got deleted by saying it wasnt the cover that was shown in stores, and that someone had modified it (the user refused to believe the links I showed stating how it was the orignal cover art Maleev drew that Marvel modified before releasing). I later uploaded
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That constitutes original research. I would also propose excising the copyright section to the talk page, if no references are available. Homages, pastiches and swiping are long established in art, I'm not sure the issue is any more prevalent in this comic series than any other.
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non-apolagetic style of big heros and big villians not being deadly serious at all times sold extremely well, but was very rarely reproduced at the time. Today, writers like Dan Slott and Robert Kirkman seem influenced by Bwa-ha-ha and it seems to be making somewhat of a comeback.
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one from the Sentry miniseries, who might not even actually exist in the Marvel Universe, given recent revelations about the Sentry) should be included secundarily. On the other hand, the various Captain Marvels do deserve their own entries, as each has had a lengthy career.
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The source of the scan is required per upload policy. I'm not over bothered by the quality of the image, that's an issue fixable by a better scan or a different image. I don't think the quality of an image should over-ride the imperative to use the fairest possible image.
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I've noticed some sporadic additions of Heroclix info to certain character pages. I don't believe this info should remain, because it opens the floodgates on all kinds of specific merchandise info, which also doesn't belong. HC info should probably stay in a HC-specific
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Now you're flat out lying. My exact words were, "Not sure if the first image was altered by someone other than the artist or the artist himsefl at some point" and that since there source infomation was not reliable, I thought the comic cover was the better one to use.
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I haven't tried to register, but glancing at their terms and conditions page it appears they are claiming copyright, they claim copyright on message board postings and that sort of stuff, so I would apply that to this. I think it reads all content is copyright Marvel.
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be structured around "canon," but only around what is depicted where about the fictional subject. Articles should clearly state that a given story was published in a comic book, a novel, or a cartoon, or that a novel was later referenced in a comic book story.
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No need to apologize. I didn't find your message to be harsh at all as its something I've been thinking of doing myself anyway. I know it was one of the critisims because I read it all over the place (and heard it all over as well) when Star Brand first came
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Photoshop it if you want to, but it's certainly functional, and if it were too high res, the fair use argument would suffer. Why would we need a "scan source"? A scanner doesn't secure any independent rights over a scan that would necessitate credit.
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stories award-winners? Did they cause a spike in sales, as per the annual published circulatoin statement of industry-press reportage? Is there citable or linkable concensus? Right now it appears to be a list of one or two editors' personal favorites.
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as a compromise (this was the actual cover art Marvel released, with the nipple from the original cover removed, which was the only real difference between the orignal image and the one Marvel used). This isn't good enough either, apparently.
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Comic-Con has an alphabetical list. I've created an award list by year, and populated it through "B". Anyone willing to help to take a letter or two can use the commented-out, alphabetical list from the official site, which is viewable at
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especially is more common than you'd think, both in terms of tying up percieved loose ends in the minds of the Handbook writers (which are often later contradicted if a writer decides to address the subject in-story - witness the infamous
587:. There's no indication to me that this is a promotional image of any sort. As far as I can tell, it looks like it just got leaked out by Brian Bendis. That being the case, I highly doubt we can use it, unless someone can prove otherwise.
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to the entries where it applies. If you need help doing that, just ask, and I can try to dig up some info for you. As it stands now, though, consensus here is to have the info removed, so I will get started on removing it in a few days.
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It appears the user who added the HC material has begun adding the info to new, separate, HC articles, which I feel is harmonious with the consensus from this discussion. Thanks to all who participated for the peaceful easy resolution.
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Canon is not just 'fan obsession,' it is a legitimate concern for many readers as well as for professional writers, who must deal with the canonicity of a particular character or event they might have to write about. See the article on
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I recall Cat Yronwood wrote a column back in the '80s asserting in passing that SB was a GL knock-off. Just searched a (not complete) stack of Eclipse comics from the period and didn't find it tho'. Maybe it was in her TBG column.
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Please don't mistake my issues with those examples as opposing the combination of true two sentence character articles. I think an undertaking like this is too big for one person to take off into wholesale without any other input.
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Thinking of writing an article for it, but don't know where (or what) it links to. Chiaroscuro is a historical fiction about Leonardo da Vinci, published by Vertigo originally as a series and recently re-published as a collection.
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be expanded; generally, what happens is I end up challenging the person who thinks it to be expanded to do so, and it never happens. (I'd be happy to be proven wrong on this point, of course.) This is experience hard learned with
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And the image was deleted under false pretenses (ie; AriGold said that it was modifed, as opposed to it being Maleev's original artwork, and that cover scans are more fair use than promos, which is not true whether you like it or
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I was thinking earlier tonight about the use of Handbook-derived material in WP articles. Not stuff which occurs in-story (word-for-word copying notwithstanding), but stuff which ONLY exists in the profiles, which in the case of
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has a number articles all of which begin with a bunch of statistics. They'd look much better in an infobox. Also they have a common block of text on canonicity that would make a good template. The same seems to apply to
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And its an old cover; the solicts that originally had it aren't up anymore. Furthermore, I also tried uploading the actual, censored cover artwork Marvel released (sans nipple), but that wasn't any good either apparently.
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is live! (This is my first article). Can someone categorize it and add redirects from searches for "Chiaroscuro comic" "Vertigo Chiaroscuro" (and anythiong else they can think of)? I still can't understand how to do it.
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I'm thinking of starting an article about this series but I'm not sure what to title it. There already is a character named DMZ in comics making a need to disambigualte past DMZ (comics). He is listed as a member of the
167:, the current Comics Collab of the Month, we might actually be able to turn it into a 'featured article'. I'm pretty sure the Comics COTM has never resulted in an featured article - a losing streak we should break!
1294:. The history of the character is organized according to publication history. What is "currently true" about the character according to current "canon" does not dominate, but a retcon is instead contextualized by
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Can you give some examples? Though from what you say, I think you've got the right idea (keep 'em on the same page until the page gets too long, usually from the characters 'distinguishing' themselves as unique).
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If the information is notable, then present it, but present it in an encyclopedic way. We shouldn't be parroting this stuff. I pretty much agree with yourself and Postdlf. I'd love that stuff filtered out too.
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It's a problematic section that per Wikistandards needs to be deleted or heavily modified for style and objectivity. I give slightly expanded reasoning/examples of the Dr. Strange discussion pge. Thanks, all ā
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That was another reason why I brought this up. I was hoping someone might have a copy of something that published one of those articles and that they could cite a source. It doesn't look like that will happen
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I can't see any sort of notice claiming copyright on the text itself on any page or their Help:Posting page, but OTOH their server is running very slowly, so I can't register to look at any user agreement. -
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Too many comic book character articles try to function like handbook profiles, probably because they've merely paraphrased them without regard to any other source. I'd love to see that stuff filtered out.
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2174:. I've not sure how many articles he's created, but its definatly more than one or two. I've already alerted him to his mistake. Hopefully we can alter the articles enough as to avoid their deletion.--
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I belive that the satellite GL articles should be kept and instead be cleaned up/brought up to standards. I'm not sure that making a too-large super-artcle would contribute to readablity or usability.
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If we must use scans as opposed to promotional art, I'll go replace the images of Spider-Man, Superman, and Batman (all which are promotional cover art) with grainy, poorly-scanned covers instead. --
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The reason for the prod is wrong, but the article isn't worth keeping. I can't see anyone coming here for information on them, and if they do I don't think that's the term they'd search under.
2213:. Does that really seem like it should be a category? That could open up "Category:People who worked with Rodney Dangerfield", or "Category:People who worked with Bob Clampett". Any thoughts? ā
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Furthermore, using the users' logic we should replace the SHB images of Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man (all promotional solictated images) with cover scans of the respective issues instead. --
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Apologies, this is quite a harsh opinion, but since I can't see any references provided in that section, no detailing of who made the criticisms or who refuted them, the whole thing reads like
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Hooo boy. I haven't looked at that page in ages, and I'm shocked at how badly the split was botched. I'm folding it all back in temporarily until a better scheme for splitting is presented. -
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There isn't one single reference in the article, so it's probably going to fail miserably. It's also a little long; the Character biography might need some tweaking. Either way, it should be
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The cover from which it is scanned would be required under the direction to include a description of the image. I would hope we can agree that both pieces of information are of use.
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Isn't this one ours? I found it in the Userboxes directory and have it on my userpage (haven't looked at other people's userpages though, so I don't know if it's in common usage). --
2679:. They're all characters who only appear in a few issues, either as one-shots or in group scenes. I've done this in other fandoms and seen in done in many more; this is suggested in
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Does the Starblazer article still warrant a stub? I'm adding quite a bit to it day to day, but it's considerably larger than it was. I don't really know if it warrants a stub now.
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book covers, with all of the indicia that makes them a cover, than the unadorned art from the cover (regardless of whether it's used to promote the sale of the book in that form).
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in the infobox. Fair use only applies if no better image can be used: Marvel can quite legitimately argue that a better image than this exists, namely the one they published.
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What consequence are you implying follows from such a decision? Are you suggesting that the article shouldn't document the use of the character in "non-canonical" novels?
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Looks pretty good! I made some minor changes, but otherwise, my only issue is the 'possible copyright violations' section. Without any references, that's a little iffy. --
1092:. As far as I can tell, they are both fair use and the first thing I always look at is which one is simply the better picture. Those are my simple thoughts on the matter.
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one unlikely, because fair use law is allowable on images where no better image is possible. Clearly, in this case Marvel would be able to argue a better image applied.
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It's essentially the same image; they just removed Mary's nipple. And I had uploaded the image that Marvel did release (w/out the nipple), but it got deleted as well. --
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It should also be noted I tried discussing the image change several times with AriGold, but all he did was delete my comments from the talk page and dodge my questions.
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After a night of rest, I think I see your point of view now. I was being a little unwaivering for too long last night, as well. I'd be happy help you out in the future.
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I would say omit them, all the information in an infobox can be conveyed in the text far easier in a list, I think a long list of user boxes would be far too unwieldy.
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A little more info added. For recurring characters I've started a list of the issues they appear in. There will still be some tidying up to do, but its coming along.
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If these are truly promotional images, then the fair use argument is quite good, actually better than for scanned images of the covers. Such images should be tagged as
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the GLC era. His involvement in Hal Jordan's backstory has been ret-conned and tweaked a good number of times and I believe that is notable enough for his own article.
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emphasizes that stories build off of previously published ones, while "canon" descends into a fan obsession with what is and is not "true" about a fictional subject.
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might be alright; after all, it is seperate from the main article (much like how TV show summaries often get their own articles). Perhaps that could be tried with
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I was just thinking about how to sort creators' bibliographies: Chronologically? Alphabethically? Some are even sorted by publisher, I think. Any suggestions? --
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1217:. I was wondering if that if we considered the novels canonincal, that portions of articles might have to be rewritten, rather than just being mentioned in the
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NB: In the following post, "Handbook" should be taken to refer to all official Marvel, DC, Image, etc published fictional-character biographies, including the
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from the former to the latter. Would be more inline with our naming conventions. I'd have done a cut and paste move, but I'd rather preserve the edit history--
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I'm gonna HEARTILY second that. For starters, somebody needs to purge that entire 'press releases' section (at most, save PART of one of them, I'd think). --
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and frankly, the heroclix info that's been added to the articles doesn't offer any additional info aside from the fact that this partic char was in the set.
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I'd like to put in my two cents that these things be removed from the articles post-haste. While I don't mind a link to these character articles in, say,
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Unfortunately all of the publications I owned that had those comments are now long gone and I can't seem to find any cite that has what I need catelogued.
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I'm not sure it's a case of a losing street ā no-one's really bothered to nominate them. But if you feel that that article should be nominated, do it. --
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Rather than just erasing the section, you could park it on the talk page, with instructions to add it back once someone can support it with references.
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2. Articles about fictional characters should focus on publication history, and describe how different stories have depicted a character over time.
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The current consensus for Vertigo seems to put it under (DC Comics) in the title and state that it was published by Vertigo in the article itself.
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Only so it looks like the image actually used. If we have to, I'll just use the image from sequart, but the other one's quality is better imo. --
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Can we expand on this article? Also, should more of the information concerning him as the Spectre be placed in his article, or the Spectre's? --
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Shift the focus to the character, not the series- because the character predates the series (and has appeared in several other DC publications)
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What would you guys think if we nominated this for featured article? It's certainly one of the most expansive the comics project has to offer.
2796:, go ahead and do so and unmerge it in the process. I'm not really interested in not merging something because someone thinks that an article
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Well, it should be referenced even if it's not going to be a featured article. And it's getting quite long anyway, with currently 47 kB (see
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The only 2 were a lack of references and no picture of Moore. Both of which are in there now. A few minor tweaks will only make it better.--
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in that publication history the retcon was "enacted," rather than by what part of the character's fictional biography it changed. Or see
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Since every once in a while we get one of those novels based on a comic book, I was wondering if we should (or do) count those in canon.--
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released by the publisher as a solicitation for the issue in question. These can generally be sourced from the publisher's web site e.g.
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I just noticed that an anonymous user deleted all of the comic book requests from this page an I thought I should report this somewhere.
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or something to that effect, the current notes add nothing to the character articles, and I'd say even smack a bit of advertising. --
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I erased that section, but I'm going to continue to look. That section can easily be rewritten when I find what I'm looking for. (
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On a more procedural note, can you please use Merge notice templates in the future so others are aware of potential changes? --
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Also, I don't think I've ever posted in the Comics WProj; is there where you guys normally reach consensus of stuff like this?
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Personally, I'm not comfortable with that. That's not a promnotional image released by Marvel, it's an image you've modified.
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Eh, then I'd rather the article stay as it is, before modifying it to conform to FA status. Thanks though for the comment.
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The comic book cover is on the article right now and is acceptable. There's nothing left for you to do, so this is over.
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entry. It helps to have a full set of these comics to work from.Ā :) If anyone wants to give an opinion, feel free.
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Does anyone think most of the article reads like a massive advertisment? --
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might be intesresting regarding the question of how to deal with these. --
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non-canonical, why would the guideline for novels be any different?
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Can anyone seriously condense this article? The same goes for the
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discussing the OHOTMU, etc in the Handbook articles themselves.
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Done. Now, do we just speedy the dud proposal? And should
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the status quo is helping anybody, especially new people.
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link on the Spectre page. - 01:56, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
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into a decent title(and turn it into a decent page)!
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116:. Anyone up to the task? --
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