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107: 810:(meaning "sea") corresponding closely to the English name is today largely rejected – but it could be speculated that the English came up with their own separate name prior to the start of Danish research on the name's origin, and may have caused people thinking Sjælland means Zealand." Though it goes on to list a few of the strongest theories, I had to wonder why the author dismissed the connection to "New Zealand" out of hand and instead focused on the English subverting the name. To me, it seems quite likely that the similarity to the province "Zeeland," the island "New Zealand," and the former name of the Netherlands "Zelande" all point to a Dutch influence on the naming of Zealand, which would resolve the note of controversy surrounding it! 1680: 31: 114: 1769: 993: 121: 93: 1797:! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 1094:
church. Furthermore, the 2 % you save in taxes, by not being a member, you just have to pay to the state instead. And many people choose to stay member of the church, as it keeps the maintenance of the many beautiful churches in Denmark. So the chart under "Religion (6.2) called "Members, Church of Denmark", is irrelevant, to describe the number of religious people in Denmark.
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the Palace of Copenhagen with vegetables. The Dutch immigrants were exempt from Danish taxation and were given privileges such as being allowed to hunt most wild animals and having their own judicial system until 1823. Several names in the area and some surnames in Denmark give away the Dutch influences."
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Secondly, looking into the history of adjacent Amager, I found that Amager was settled by the Dutch in the 1500s through a deal with the king. Specifically, the article stated: "In 1521, king Christian II of Denmark invited 184 Dutch farmers to settle on the island of Amager in exchange for supplying
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However, I have uncovered a few other pieces to the puzzle. Firstly, from reading a Middle English text I discovered that "Zelande" was a prior name of The Netherlands, before Holland. So, when the Dutch settlers named New Zealand, they were naming it directly after their own country! The article in
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I am new to Knowledge but I wanted to discuss a potential clue that I found about the etymology of Zealand and the similarity to New Zealand. When I initially found the island of Zealand on a map, I assumed (as many do) that it had some relation to New Zealand. But the Wiki article here specifically
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Hey everyone! As someone that is an outsider of this community, would it be possible to add context to these words, such as sentences that utilize them. For someone that doesn't use words like this in normal conversation, it would be interesting and helpful to see this. Are there direct quotes that
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A user has recently moved a lot of pages and categories from Denmark to Kingdom of Denmark, which seems unwarranted as its simply the long form of the name, and its constitutionally defined as a unitary state, so they aren't two different entities (in principle at least). These moves can seemingly
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Finally, the Zealand article cites some controversy over the meaning and origin of the name. "The exact origin of the Danish name "Sjælland" is controversial. Sjæl in Danish today means "soul", but based on older records one can exclude this interpretation. Even a derivation derived from siô / sæ
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Denmark has freedom of worship, however the Church of Denmark does hold certain privileges. According to the Constitution of Denmark, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Denmark is the state church of Denmark and receives some subsidies from the government. The constitution also mandates that the
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The chart under religion (6.3) shows the number of the members of the Danish church. But that has little to do with who is religious. It's hard to drop the membership of the church, and you loose some benefits, like having trouble being burried by the church. That's why many people stay in the
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Danish monarch must be a member of the state church.Anti-Muslim organizations such as Pegida have organized demonstrations in Denmark in the 21st century, at times met by counter-protests. The right-wing populist Danish People's Party has at times self-described as an anti-Muslim party.
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which runs for three separate months from April to June 2021. To qualify for the contest, articles have to contain at least 160 words or 1,000 characters of running text and participants need to be members of Women in Red. We look forward to lots of new biographies of women from
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I was looking at some of the profiles under active members, and I think the list needs to be cleaned out a bit. I'm thinking about moving members that has not been active on Knowledge in 3 years, or maybe 1 year down to the "former member" list. Any problems in that?
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It claims the following: "In 2001, the percentage of non believers, was 31 per cent. In 2017, the number is 48 per cent." But since the survey only mentions non-religious people, it's a bit hard to know the percentage of other religions in the country.
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And what is the point of this? Do you really need to compulsively post on every single WikiProject whenever there's an AfD? Excessive notifications are pretty much spam, and targeted notifications like the WP:FOOTY one are a more serious matter.
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stated that it was not related, so that was still a mystery for now: "Despite their identical names in English, the island is not connected historically to the Pacific nation of New Zealand, which is named after the Dutch province of Zeeland."
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have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.
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AS born in Denmark, everyone automatically is a member of the Danish church. But that doesn't mean that a person is religious. Under the quick facts, it is stated that 75,8 of the population is christians, and under "Demographics" -:
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Well, I thought it would be obvious, but I'll explain for you: The subjects are Danish. This is the Danish project. Maybe someone who speaks Danish and/or has access to sources in Danish could help with the AfD on a Danish person.
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not be reverted manually. I am not good with the technical sides of Wiki, how do you correct this mess? I saw your message on his talkpage, is it something you are going to act on? (if so, I will stay out of it).--
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What we need, is a fresh poll, about religion in Denmark. The latest Danish survey I can find, is from 2017, and was made for DK's next largest news & TV network, TV2, and Politiken, a large Danish news site.
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in Denmark which we currently do not have photos for. It would be greatly appreciated if any project members living locally to these grounds were to dust off their cameras and take some photos! Thanks in advance.
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question states that New Zealand was named after the Dutch province of Zeeland; however, I suspect that it was named after the whole country at the time and that Zeeland is just the last area to retain that name.
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That said, this is where my research ended, because I don't know how to look further into Danish/Dutch etymology. Please let me know what you think and if anyone has further sources to confirm or deny this lead.
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which says it is "used as an ethnic anthem by the self-governing Kalaallit of Greenland" and was "adopted as a national anthem, alongside "Nunarput, utoqqarsuanngoravit"." So is it exclusive to
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for easier navigation to the project's other pages and to clean up the links on the main page. The design might be a bit clunky, so I would welcome help reworking it.
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pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of
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Hey everyone, I was curious about the status of images on the page, if there was a lack of images or copyrighted material and where you're looking. Thanks
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Should we also notify every single pertinent WikiProject every time an article is proposed for deletion? That seems blatantly excessive and unwarranted.
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have biographies on either the English or Danish versions of Knowledge. For some it might be too soon but some of the others seem to deserve coverage.--
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This article specifically mentions the Dutch influence on names in the region, and the two islands are close enough to be connected by bridge.
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Moved inactive members to former members. I moved profiles with newest contribution in 2016 or older, deleted profiles and blocked profiles.
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Hi, having looked at it, I don't think it does, but I speak no Danish so wanted to double check with people who are able to read Danish -
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But it only lists number of very religious people - "% of adults who are “highly religious”. It lists this number for Denmark, to be 2%.
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Article on Denmark's borders does not take into account the EEZ borders territorial dispute with Poland resolution in 2018.
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This draft needs quite a bit of work, some help will be appreciated, particularly if you can access Danish language sources.
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S.M. var manio-depressiv og levede fra 1901 på sindssygehopitalet i Århus.
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