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31: 302: 786: 1257: 1044:- "Tc-99" is international too (because it uses the symbol not the English name), and does not use superscript so is more internet-friendly. AFAIK, this notation is not ambiguous, it has no other meaning. But it cannot be used in chemical formulae, all right. (note: does this form need further research & justification?). 447:
One these columns fill up, I wonder what nomenclature we'll use in the future. I just refer to them as "cerium and thorium", "praseodymium and protactinium", etc. for now. I'd maybe say they're an "inner group 3" and number them something like 3-I, 3-II, 3-III... 3-XIV (or some other convention), but
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Because of the increase of nuclear charge across each of the transition series, the B metals are distinguished from the early A metals by their much weaker tendency to form ions or to form compounds with the non-metals…This feature is particularly marked in the final row of B metals, Au, Hg, Tl, Pb,
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Yes, it's accepted, though I find that the majority of recently published journal articles use isotope symbols (Tc) rather than shortened names (Tc-99). Even the fully written out name (technetium-99) is more common in many sources than the shortened version (which is often completely absent). I
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shows that the two listings are not similar. Some 18 elements differ re non-zero valences, some 32 differ wrt mentioning a 0 valence, and half a dozen differ wrt bolding i.e. main/nonmain valence. The remaining 118−66 = ~52 elements are OK (= have same valence listing, though sources present may
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The extent to which metallic elements mimic boron (in having fewer electrons than orbitals available for bonding) has been a fruitful cohering concept in the development of metalloborane chemistry…Indeed, metals have been referred to as "honorary boron atoms" or even as "flexiboron atoms. The
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that writing "Tc-99", as an id-pattern, is OK in the first sentence (because it defines the isotope, unambiguously, and it is used in RL). Whether (en)wiki should use it in article body text (instead of other id's) I doubt but that is not the issue here.
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Bi, and Po…where the nuclear charge has been built up across the lanthanide as well as the third transition series. In some respects these elements might almost be classed as super-B or C metals. (Phillips and Williams 1966, p. 459)
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would prefer to follow this seeming convention and use symbols – also for formality and ease of writing formulae. Not sure about internet-friendliness, we have several options to properly render superscripts.
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The metalloids, while they are chemically weak nonmetals, show the most metallic character among the nonmetals. For example, on the analogy between B and metals, Greenwood (2001, p. 2057) commented that:
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The noble metals begin to show some surprising nonmetallic behaviour e.g. Au sometimes behaves as if it were a halogen, and both Au and Pt are known to form anions e.g. in CsAu, and the Ba platinides (Ba
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From the 2.2 baseline, the noble metals and metalloids seem to be inversions relative to each other, and then the frontier metals versus the noble gases, if we just go by ranges over electronegativity.
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This category name also refers to the fact the related nonmetals tend to form covalent bonds with metals. Here the word "related" is associated to "covalent", as follows: covalent→shared→related.
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to be complete; but any "There is more" solution possible? refs, #section links? (to me, layman, the (0) is intriguing so any link is great). -
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that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.
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This chart has blue and red bars spanning the lowest and highest electronegativity values for each of the eight classes of elements.
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I know many would disagree. They don't really form groups for now, but it is a question we might have to think about one day.
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The noble gases become more metallic going down the group, so much so that Rn begins to some cationic behaviour (cf At).
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I asked for nicer reading forms. Do we agree that this format is preferable (use regular words to split bold blocks):
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The second is the x-axis symmetry for the transition metals and metalloids; and active metals and corrosive nonmetals.
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so as to not have to deal with the question of Al, or perhaps I should move it into the active metals category?
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edits added (0) valences to metals, all fine with me. May I suggest we change those values into linked ] in {{
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The first is the y-axis symmetry for the noble metals and noble gases; and the frontier metals and metalloids.
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can & should be done elsewhere in the sentence, good reading prevailing. (Though "... is an isotope of
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guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at
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My suggestion was/is: adding this wikilink is good info, at no cost (for the reader). IMO we do not
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That is: list these three id's, in this format (brackets, bolding, punctuation). Linking to basic
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But surely the well-known carbonyls are not the only oxidation-state-0 species of these metals?
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It is a category I created today to organise our isotope articles (for example, mainspace page
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It's a pleasing coincidence that the transition metals line up with the related nonmetals.
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Ar for the noble gases, unless astatine is somehow a noble gas in this element scheme.
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You have to remember that we don't write only for technical audiences. Forms like
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There's a dispute concerning the display of the name of elements/isotopes in
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We could use a refined or crispy definition wrt 'main' oxidation states. -
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Todo: comment & research & make sure "Tc-99" is an accepted form.
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That said, either form are fine, as long as the article is consistent.
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I will not restore incorrect grammar and syntax to the infobox, no.
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Thanks for this inviatation (at last, I may say). Please revert your
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Greenwood NN 2001, 'Main group element chemistry at the millennium',
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It would be good if we synchronise the lists. These are the pages:
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The balanced 6-6-5-6 distribution of the nonmetals is pleasing.
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At the moment, we maintain the oxidation states in two places:
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The related nonmetals are related by, among other things, the
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is analogous to older references to the transition metals as
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differ). I note that the List is meticulously maintained by
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Template:List of oxidation states of the elements/datacheck
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The heavier (period 6) frontier metals border on nobility:
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Do I have this right? It wasn't something I was expecting.
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I propose to make the opening starting with this pattern:
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for posting to Knowledge (XXG), but to go into a journal:
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vol. II, Clarendon Press, Oxford University Press, Oxford
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Ebel IL 1938, "Atomic structure and the periodic table",
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Praise be that all category names are relatively short.
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Sb and even Ge are sometimes referred to as metals.
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converse of this relationship is clearly also valid…
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Prentice-Hall, 3rd ed., Englewood Cliffs, NJ, p. 848
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The atomic structure chart of the elements,"
H-C-P-N-S-Se thread.
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Periodic table (group names)
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