Knowledge talk:WikiProject LGBT studies/Archive 57

4614:, there is a fair informal consensus here for the proposed text, with yourself as the lone objector but raising a lot of words on the subject in a very short time, some criticising some of the contributions here. This noticeboard is seen by many users as a safe space for LGBT+ related discussion, and a way to attract opinions from those with a lot of knowledge on LGBT issues; it's a good thing. Keep in mind that many of the contributors here have a lot of experience as Wikipedians, so can be expected to be highly aware of policies such as bias and reliable sources, some of us even helping to originally create those policies. I suggest you consider raising a !vote for the proposed text on the article talk page. This will avoid the process becoming unnecessarily adversarial, and provide a collegiate way to reach a formal consensus. Thanks -- 2182:.) Receiving a major award for multiple consecutive years is also not trivial. Therefore, it is my opinion that having been awarded "the J.D. Power and Associates 'Highest in Guest Satisfaction Among Upper Midscale Hotel Chains' award for 11 consecutive years" is fitting for the article in the appropriate section, as is a brief description of the Meagan Taylor incident, given that both would be properly cited. I would admonish the editors not to go into so much detail regarding Meagan Taylor as to give that incident undue weight." Unfortunately, the removal of the content from Knowledge (and, by extension, the erasure of Meagan Taylor from history as a trans woman of color) continues, despite plenty of 4692:

logic. Given that and the unambiguous personal attack made via your reference to Hanlon's razor, I think it should be apparent that there's little to be gained from trying to convince you of anything. Thus far, I have found your objections to be adequately refuted by a reading of WP policy, the sources and the proposed text. Everything I and anyone else has said in response is only additional confirmation that you aren't trying to improve the article, but trying to whitewash the criticism. Therefore, I think you will understand if I (and apparently, the other editors here) look to others for their thoughts, and set yours aside. If you don't, well, I'm sorry. That's not something I can help you with.

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term is deemed offensive have spoken out against it. The only contestatory voice is by someone who only objects to this term in a very remote way. The more vociferous critiques are absent. This entry on cisgender is entirely unbalanced and needs to reflect some of the criticism of misogyny and and gender normativity that is presumed by such a turn of phrase (ie. nobody identifies with one gender, much less nobody "has a gender"). The entry speaks for itself. That said, I would like to know that Knowledge monitors/censors are divided evenly between the two sexes. I am finding the censorphip of women's voices on Knowledge alarming and reject some of the entries already allowed on this subject.

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acronym because LGBTQ is now more commonly accepted in the USA as the default replacement for LGBT. Note that if the change is supported, it would have to be made clear that this only applies to American English in the context of American current culture; it certainly does not apply to other international contexts. By the way, I'm fairly certain there is no common agreement on what the "Q" really means in terms of sexuality, orientation, or indeed the rejection of these things, but I'd be happy to be shown reliable sources that prove me wrong. Thanks --

1835:" across the board runs the risk of assigning categories to people (e.g., those who object to the 'Q' in "LGBTQ" or "LGBTQI") in ways they find objectionable. It also makes it way too easy to impose anachronisms on historical articles (e.g., calling the Stonewall Inn an LGBT or LGBTQ bar). It probably would be a very good idea to use the narrowest term possible at all times. Such an approach might lead to a greater degree of precision and also would make less work over the long haul when the next letter is tacked on (as it inevitably will be). 5056: 31: 3164:. Also, sometime soon perhaps we should organize broader conversation about how we should address this issue when it arises. There is no clear guideline and this situation is happening regularly. We should decide what is appropriate to do and draft instructions. I did one thing, but there are other ways this could have been handled and it would be useful to get feedback from others about whether anything should have happened differently. 3720:

disruptive on the issue of transphobia, but we cannot say that Milo is transphobic unless Milo makes that self-identification in an interview. I would put both Pink News and The Advocate down as perfectly good reliable sources, though even better if the story has been picked up in "non-LGBT" related press. Saying something about it on the article talk page makes sense, no doubt you were planning on doing that.

4317:". However, 'transphobic' is both a well-understood and well-defined term. It is a term which includes the making of verifiably false claims denigrating trangendered people by definition, in the most literal sense. "Genocide is evil" is a moral judgement, and thus an opinion. It is subjective. Whether or not Milo's words were transphobic is not. Even if it were a judgement, it's attribution is clearly 3255:. Currently, we are undertaking a study about turnover (editors leaving and joining) in WikiProjects within Knowledge. We are trying to understand the effects of member turnovers in the WikiProject group, in terms of the group performance and member interaction, with a purpose of learning how to build successful online communities in future. More details about our project can be found on this 3761: 3724: 2569: 2405:

timeline of LGBT milestones for Iowa, there would probably be far less concern about recent events outweighing the rest of the historical context. Should other articles give more detailed content, leaving the entry on this article as a one-liner would then be less of a problem for the casual reader who may wish to read more. --

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there are some unique challenges to writing about trans people, but I don't feel like the current activity level here justifies a split in discussion. When it comes to organizations, magazines, and activists, there is also a good overlap between the two topics. Really what I'm asking is, what really would change if we split? ~

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you read the comment where I said I put a notice on the article talk page? Or did you read the notification on the talk page? I'm a little confused how any intelligent person could come up with the complaints you just made. They're bizarre and bear little relationship to what has actually been said or taken place.

3970:"For decades, America has been run by the grievance brigade, by social justice warriors, handwringers, feminists, Black Lives Matter. All these groups are preoccupied with feelings first and facts later. They spread conspiracy theories and propaganda about the wage gap, campus rape culture. This stuff isn't real." 4011:

Yiannopoulos is targeting marginalized groups specifically with his speech. Whether he "believes" everything he's saying or not isn't relevant unless he has explicitly disavowed his statements, which he clearly has not (unless someone provides a source saying otherwise). What's relevant for Knowledge

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article was an unreferenced BLP. I have re-written, expanded, and referenced it. I've also added it to this WikiProject as Jason is gay. I have nominated it for DYK, which requires it not be a stub (which it isn't, though it is currently classed as a stub). Would someone please have a look and do

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People attracted to the same sex could be gay, lesbian, bisexual, pansexual, or queer (or possibly some other orientation labels). Trans people (the "T" in LGBT) could be any of those things, in addition to straight. "Same sex attracted" is a perfectly reasonable term to use. (And what does referring

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You have asserted that a description of something given by two reliable sources, which is easily verifiable through those sources (or any other source of excerpts from these speeches) is wrong because... Well, you haven't given any reason why it's wrong. You simply assert that it is, or perhaps that

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The Eagle: American University; April 23, 2016 Saturday; Milo Yiannopoulos greets polarized campus at Young Americans for Liberty event; quote: "Titled "Say NO to Milo," the Facebook event called for students to protest Yiannopoulos' "deliberate expressions of transphobia, racism, and rape-apology."

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to LGBT+ related press, it would be good to have some alternatives. Sometimes the only place a news item can be found is the LGBT+ press, it depends on context and the potential for bias whether that can still be considered encyclopaedic. To draw a comparison, if parts of a biography article about a

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I have a hard time believing that a gay man like Milo could be transphobic, so I tend to think he must be playing a character and he doesn't mean it. However, he could be clueless, too. What worries me is that I don't want his page to become an attack page--this could set a precedent for other pages

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Well, my reasoning is what Tim said above; as such a small article, it seemed out of proportion. Plus, for a chain that's been around since 1973, it's seemed like a case of RECENTISM to have so much of the article be about one incident that appears to be isolated to the one hotel, but the chain as a

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Yes, I added a substantial block of information that is consistantly removed for no reason. There are many articles published on this topic and I have put provided only a handful here. Also, I might add, one cannot claim a term is inoffensive when many of the 50% of the populaiton against whom this

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Great care needs to be taken if attempting to tackle both transgender and intersex issues. Expertise on transgender issues does not translate into any special expertise on intersex issues, yet that is implied by tacking it on. I'm not sure that it is at all helpful to combine them, and I'd prefer to

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may certainly need discussion, but I don't see anything inherently wrong with the existence of a list or anything specifically homophobic or racist about its actual content — for all the progress that has been made over my lifetime, we do still live in a culture where many groups (people of colour,

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Um... No, it doesn't. You should probably read the proposed text at the beginning of this subsection again. It clearly uses source voice. As for whether the content was actually transphobic, it'd take a pretty bizarre interpretation of it to argue that it wasn't. Did you read the sources? Also, did

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No problem with it. I have gone through the sources in LexisNexis and my impression is that the reports are confirming his shock jock tactics to get social media attention by offending as many people as possible, of which targeting transexuals is one part, but nothing to confirm whether he actually

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As long as there aren't any sources that describe Yiannopoulos' speeches as a parody of the alt-right movement, I see no reason to suggest such a thing in his article here. The proposed text below is good, but I don't think there would be any issue in simply calling his speeches anti-transgender in

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The Times (London): October 9, 2015 Friday; Provocateurs banned from university debate on free speech; quote: A later statement from the executive committee of the union said it would be extending the ban to Mr Yiannopoulos, a commentator on the American website Breitbart, after being made aware of

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already appear. The reason: "crossdressing is an action, sometimes even a profession, or habit, but not a statement about a person's gender. People might identify as crossdressers the same way they identify as a political activist, but being a crossdresser or a political activist says nothing about

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I'd like to note that I know nothing of the New York article in particular. I honestly have a hard time imagining that the majority of sources discussing LGBT(Q) culture in the city use "LGBTQ" rather than LGBT, especially historically. I was thinking more of specific groups or establishments. What

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For this project, I particularly agree. Importance is mostly naturally understood in this project: common identities and umbrella terms are high-traffic and important; activists are BLPs and important to keep of a certain quality; LGBT in other cultures are all evenly important. The only way I see

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should also try harder to focus on content and to direct your comments towards it, rather than commenting on other editors. Your article talk page comment brought me here (although I have posted to this project page previously) and I thanked you for it; but the existence of that talk page post, at

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I actually don't plan to add anything to the article talkpage or the article itself until we've reached consensus here, because I don't want to be dragged into endless Wikidrama. I think it is more productive if we decide what to do here first. You are welcome to discuss it directly on the article

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This whole situation is pretty bad, but thank you for the work you put into it. I agree that guidelines for this situation would be optimal. I am imagining a page that describes the actions a public figure can go through when they transition and an explanation of how Knowledge handles these things

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outside Knowledge, for what term to use to describe the LGBT community. Adding to the LGBT-acronym just creates a difficulty as to where to set the line. If we add another letter to it across the board, why not add the I as well? And why not add the A as well? It just doesn't work. Either we start

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I think the overall consensus of what I'm seeing here (if I'm understanding correctly) is that a broad, "one-size-fits-all" term across the board can have undesirable consequences and is neither always indicated nor always necessary – that a more narrow, population-specific title can reasonably be

1624:, which I was fine with but with the intention of keeping the "Q" in the title. Clearly, this is where the title is moving universally, but other articles and locales may not have kept up with NYC, as you see in the cited source. It should remain LGBTQ, and other articles need to be updated. Best, 1590:

For context - no one is completely happy with LGBT, LGBTQ, or any other ordering or mix of the letters. Lots of people have their own favorite version but we ought to have consensus here in wiki and order to the discussion. What has already been said and done? I presume that most people agree that

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I don't think WikiProject pages are usually used in that way, though I'd rather leave that call to someone with more experience than me. I'm sorry you're starting to feel discouraged. In my experience, it's incredibly difficult to get people on board with a project you're working on. Regardless, I

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I'm not clear on the question here: are you planning to write a separate Knowledge article on the sting, and are unsure how it should be labeled in the Knowledge categorization system? Or do you want to add information on the sting to some other Knowledge articles, and are unsure of which articles

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I have read your response, and your claims have simply become more convoluted as you attempts to explain away the original convolutions. This is not the hallmark of a well-considered but misunderstood argument. Rather, it is indicative of an argument that will be maintained against all reason and

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I don't believe that's what he's saying at all – rather, if you read his statement carefully, he's just basically saying, proceed with caution. In this case, the City has defined the supported group of individuals as LGBTQ, the resource guide the City has published is entitled LGBTQ, and both the

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I am much more interested in gender-related topics than sexuality-related topics, so this would sound like a good idea. However, I'm not entirely sure what the purpose would be. Keeping statistics would be cool, but we really don't need a separate talk page for gender-topics as we are now. I know

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This seems to be something we could really use a primary source (Catherine herself, as I'm presuming the "transitioning" theory is correct) on. We don't need to put it in wiki voice, but an archived tweet or FB status supporting something like "According to a tweet by Catherine, she is currently

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If it makes anyone feel better, various non-LGBT RSes have described the subject as "anti-transgender". Not that there's anything whatsoever wrong with LGBT RSes, of course, but if part of the dispute here involves the term "transphobic", using "anti-transgender" instead (or simply "anti-trans")

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as editors that removed the text above from the article, I would be interested to read any suggestions you have on how to proceed. I agree with the IP editor that the incident is notable and a legal case worth covering on Knowledge. The best place for this to be covered and how to write about it

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No, you have not established a consensus. If you want to spend more time on this please create a project wide RFC and seek out a lot more authoritative sources that can convince editors that to describe American LGBT culture, history, groups or individuals we have to define and add a "Q" to the

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Knowledge articles typically try to use the same term. A change from LGBT to LGBTQ would mean changes in thousands of articles and many langauges, and is not a light decision. I notice that the filename of the document you provided calls it the "LGBT Directory of services", so I am not sure how

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thanking me for notifying editors at the article about this discussion. Then you brush off the fact that you knew you had been invited by implying that the discussion was over and the proposal set in stone. This is, of course, despite participating in the ongoing discussion whose existence you

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your gender. On the other hand, being a trans woman, a cis woman, a non-binary person, etc., is a clear statement of gender identity." A crossdresser can be (and usually is) a cis man, but can also be a cis woman, a non-binary person, or even a trans person crossdressing as their assigned sex.

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Thanks for your views. It occurs to me that the notability of the case may be given better context in a different article, one on trans rights/law in the USA, or LGBT history of Iowa; I don't believe these exist right now. In a different context it may not appear to have undue weight, and in a

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stated (in part) "That the Meagan Taylor incident was covered internationally shows it is not trivial, especially since Iowa specifically protects the rights of transgender people under its laws. (I will note that on June 29 of this year, the ACLU reported that the case had been settled – see

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Emory Wheel: Emory University; April 13, 2016 Wednesday; Yiannopoulos Will Bring Hate, Not Insight, to Emory; quote: In the same article, he consistently refers to trans-women using slurs, cites a study of trans-women being forced into prostitution as evidence that they're more likely to be

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It's an emotive issue for many editors, so whatever is done should be done with care. In line with policy, it would be reasonable to add the fact of what reliable sources say, i.e., these multiple sources make the allegation of transphobia, or perhaps they effectively allege that he's being

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blurb doesn't add any particular evidence of anything stronger, mentioning only that he also worked as a local organizer of a local project and as a constituency assistant to a state legislator. But those aren't roles that are likely to attract enough media coverage to get a person over

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are our own interpretations of those speeches, or our agreement with those opinions, relevant. The change I have proposed is a simple one (which does not dilute the message or proclude inclusion of the opinions), but it also a necessary one, as it does the align the inclusion with

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Can you provide more supporting documentation to establish that "Clearly, this is where the title is moving universally"? A mix of high-profile sources from different countries would be useful. Direct commentary from a manual of style addressing the acronym issue would help a

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Your whole argument is predicated upon the insistence that a speech denigrating transgendered people by making verifiably false claims about them cannot be described as transphobic because... reasons? Because you say so? You have yet to give any explanation of why that might

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in politics, so there is some research value in grouping the ones who have broken through the barriers. "Diversity", of course, is a buzzword which means "anybody other than straight white men", and is perceived by some people as ideologically loaded with assumptions about

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Thank you, I'm going to interpret your comment to echo what I've been saying all along. I believe there is reasonable consensus now to return the Q to this particular article, that there is no consensus to be achieved for the whole LGBT world, inside or outside Knowledge.

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seems to be coming out as transgender (or rather, agender, it seems?). The whole situation is a big mess, and I hope someone here might have a better idea for how the author can confirm their identity. They seem rather shaken up about the current situation, if anything.

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Oh and why did I mention using the term "black", because while you and I consider it to be acceptable, there are some people who are offended by it. Some people are offended by the term "accident black spot", so I'm sure that some people will take offense to anything.

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I am no longer sure of anything, and rather discouraged. I have moved several articles to mainspace in the mean time. What I am suggesting is that we create a draft together as a team in this WP, and we eventually move it to mainspace. Is that possible? For example,

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That wouldn't surprise me. A US regional chain like Drury usually wouldn't even be on the radar for UK newspapers like the Independent or the Guardian. I've tried cutting this back from three lines of printable text to two to fit this stub of an article (per the

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To reply to the issue, your text is simply inaccurate. The term is not "used by certain trans theorists"; it's a common term used by gender scholars. Your edit is rife of what appears to be your own opinion (or at least unsourced opinions of others), for example

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Personally, I feel that simple sentences, absent quotes with good citations are the perfect way to go from a moral standpoint. It also happens to be a very viable method of providing verifiable information to WP readers. I think the proposed text above is good.

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Hungerford's critique is crucial to understanding how 'cis' a term intended to level the playing field of trans and non-trans individuals actually erases the difference of what feminist theory views as male privilege and the social oppression resultant of male

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If you are interested in our study and willing to share your experience with us, please reach me at bowen@cs.umn.edu. The interview will be about 30 - 45 minutes via phone, Skype or Google Hangout. You will receive a $ 10 gift card as compensation afterwards.

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No need to remove any footnotes, of course. In practice, only the characters in the article proper matter. I don't think it needs to be cut back too much anyway. The best solution would of course be to expand the rest of the article, if that is happening.

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In my view, the time where a "one size fits all" approach works has passed. Regional and population-specific approaches will differ. The U.S. State Department recently welcomed the establishment of a global Equal Rights Coalition, working on the rights of

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Even if there isn't support for trans-specific task force, could we at least create a watchlist and new articles list specifically for trans and non-binary articles? I'd offer to do it myself, but I don't have any experience with bots and could use help.

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and I was wondering if it could get added to this project's list of pages, be classified as important, etc. etc. I would also love any feedback and suggestions for improving the article, as well as any sources you may have on the topic. Thank you!

3444:. I cannot tell if he is being camp and making fun of transphobes, however. I see him as a (camp) performance artist more than a journalist, and I think it may be wise to discuss this together here first. What should we add to the article please? 1355:

Hi people, I'm never sure how much intersex and LGBT issues should overlap, or even if they do at all, but I would welcome some assistance in working through some biographies, and improving other pages. Based on proposed (and cited) additions to

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Would anyone be interested in creating a task force for articles on trans and non-binary (and possibly intersex) people and related issues? Trans and non-binary people, as well as many intersex people, have needs and experiences that differ from

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I note, encouragingly, that several of them are people of colour. There's also one other one that I'll be tackling myself, because there was a premature campaign brochure about him AFDed earlier this year which I'm going to restore and update.

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it's unverifiable, despite the easily and previously established fact that it is not. You've accused the proposed text of using wikivoice when the subjects of that text are clearly the two sources, and used your own insistence to justify this.

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might be a workable compromise. Not that there's anything whatsoever wrong with the term "transphobic" either, of course—in fact, it's arguably more descriptive—but Knowledge wording disputes being what they are . . . well, it's a thought.

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I know everybody's a little spooked by The Main Headline right now, but if anybody's looking to help out with something productive and distracting, here's the list of new LGBT state legislators elected on Tuesday night, according to the

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Just a simply Google News search on "Stephen Maglott" gives basically nothing, so I doubt that there are any reliable secondary sources talking about the person. Unless you can find some good sources, I would strongly advice against it.

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that subject as a topic; policy requires me to be critical, and this would be true of any subject so discussed. I do not believe that I have made any more general criticisms. I also acknowledge, respect and am profoundly aligned to the

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Misunderstanding of comment is at times inevitable, but editors who find it a common occurrence are advised to read carefully, and to not read more than is written; and are reminded that misrepresentation of other editor's comments and

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Oh, I agree. But the relevant instances are so varied in terms of time, place, and specific target, and the life experiences of the several elements of the LGBTQ population so diverse, that I'd be cautious about making generalizations.

5025:, mostly centered on issues concerning trans women. I think the edits are unbalancing, probably NPOV-violating, and borderline (if not overtly) trans-antagonistic, but as I created the article I'd like other editors to weigh in on it. 1997:

Relax, I think you've missed the point here. This doesn't redefine anything, for anybody, or any continent. It's just the appropriate title for a single article describing the content of that article. No need to categorize everything.

747:(the subject of the article), it's clear that they use the term "same sex attracted", and your continual attempts to change that wording are bordering on disruptive. I suggest any interested editors continue this discussion on the 454:

A split might make it easier to monitor vandalism and disruptive editing on a subset of pages, for one thing. I'm overwhelmed looking at the watchlists for all LGBT topics, but could more easily review one for just trans articles.

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A brief check of LexisNexis, which is very good for tracking down sources not published online, finds the following (I only scanned the results, drop me an email if you would like a PDF dump of the full list for research):

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this late stage, does not alter that this discussion would have been better to have taken place wholly there, not here. Confusion as to how intelligent persons operate is, respectfully, your challenge to bear, not mine. -

5366:'s most recent books are listed as by "Catherine Butler", and other evidence supports the hypothesis that this is more than a pseudonym. I'm evidently not the first to suspect this: The last paragraph of the article says 4159:; and that it would have better taken place on the article Talk page than here. Editors are reminded of their responsibilities in respect of these policies, and that these extend to all topics & all living persons. - 2390:

whole, which is the actual subject of the article. A single case of local bigotry isn't exactly encyclopedia worthy. The trimmed version is better, but as Tim said, it'd be even better if the article was more filled out.

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I was under the impression that gay was the preferred term for "same sex attracted" - well either that or LGBT. If there is one commonly used/understood term, then we should be using it, rather than jargon or euphemisms.

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section a bit. The reason I ask for another editor to review and consider implementing it is because I am working on behalf of Ms. Rosen, as explained in more detail on the article's discussion page. Please see my

4732:. An assumption of misunderstanding over misrepresentation is not a personal attack. I do not, however, believe that anything positive will be gained by any further discussion between you and I in this location. 3959:

In response he said: "I delight in offending people. I think that the grievance brigade, victimhood - the idea that feelings are some kind of special currency - I think that needs to come to an end. And America

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I'm assuming from the lack of response on this talk page, the article in question's talk page and the other involved editor's talk page, that there are no objections with me replacing "same sex attracted" to

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could possibly be a redirect to it. If you want to create an article specifically for retirement homes for LGBT people, go for it! Be sure to find some good sources on the topic; I'm sure they're there :3

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politician were all from traditionally left-wing leaning press, this can be legitimately challenged for bias especially if the sources were being used for their editorial content rather than neutral facts.

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Cisgender gay people can absolutely be just as trans-antagonistic as cisgender straight people. I know this from personal experience (which I know is not relevant to the article, but this is a talk page).

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used if there is a reasonable basis for it – and that terms should be decided on a case-by-case basis. In the case of the NYC article, clearly both the City itself and the article itself describe the LGBT

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be a real statement of the artist's real views on things, and I just don't see a lot of evidence that his statements could be taken as more of an attack on transphobia than on trans people. Is there some

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argument is pretty convincing. One counter intuitive option here is to improve the article so that the criticism does not seem so outstanding as it does in an article with basically three paragraphs.

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talkpage if you have the energy for it, though. Why do you think non-LGBT sources would be better by the way? (This is slightly off topic, but I don't think our sourcing needs to be heteronormative.)

2992: 1051:, be they userspace drafts or the draft mainspace. Technically, an article shouldn't be deleted if reliable sources on the topic exist. Are you certain that the article you want to work on meets 2758: 5275:, whose talkpage has our WP tag, and it looks racist and potentially homophobic to me. It's not "diverse" to be African-American or Asian or gay; it's just normal. Should we not get it deleted? 4379:

You have asserted that a description of something given by two reliable sources, which is easily verifiable through those sources (or any other source of excerpts from these speeches) is wrong

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of this WikiProject; which I believe reinforce that this is a sub-optimal venue for individual article content discussions such as this. I would hope that we would both recognise within the

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In an interview on Channel 4 last week he was challenged over telling offended women to log off the internet and saying mass Muslim immigration must stop or it will result in "rape culture".

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though it does seem like a rather unconstructive debate and other editors should probably weigh in on the issues with the article content as opposed to this tangential debate on the talkpage

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I don't think I've ever seen these gender-neutral kinship terms used on Knowledge before with reference to a specific individual (as opposed to someone's "siblings" and "grandchild(ren)").

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a diversity of experience and a diversity of thought, and would respect that diversity. I am certain that we do not suggest that a failure to agree on all points is a failure to understand.

3412:, but no firm consensus had been established. If you have the time, it would be great if you could weigh in on the article's talk page (even if you don't feel the same as I do). Thank you, 1697:": Thankfully, Knowledge operates on a consensus basis, not a negotiation basis. There's nothing obvious about the change. The majority of RS use the status-quo title. If a title change is 3184:(such as how in this case, Graves' name at the time is still present in the article, as that was what she was known as). Perhaps even just an essay to refer to would be perfect for this. ~ 3079: 3976:

It's a shame to attract any more attention to this (as the sources show) remarkably shallow person, but that's a separate issue of good taste, which Knowledge has no guidelines for... --

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Hello, I am an investigative reporter wishing to add the Shell Park police sting to LGBT sections here and could use some advice about categorizing the matter. It was a police-sting (

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I prefer "trans-antagonism" to "transphobia" because not all oppression of trans people is rooted in fear (phobia). Also, some consider the terms "transphobic" and "homophobic" to be

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and on that article's talk page. I then edited the Knowledge article to reflect the name change. I would appreciate if anyone could review what I did and comment on it. Please see at

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You may close this topic if you want. Editing Knowledge about politics is tedious--not worth the aggravation. I will try to focus on historic buildings and formal gardens for a while.

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Respectfully, intelligent behavior does not confuse me. That was implied in my post, though you may not have caught it. Bizarre behavior confuses me, and your objections are bizarre.

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He went on: "America has been ruled for 30 years by people who are too worried about what other people feel, not what other people think. And too worried about feelings versus facts.

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I hear you. The thing is I don't know if he is making fun of transphobes by pretending to be one on the stage. That would be camp. Both articles seem to take him at his word though.

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I agree with you that on second thoughts, he's not. I was just asking. I do think we should try to create more article about the LGBTQ press and such journalists, if we can, though.

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If the above proposal gets in the Top 10 based on the votes, there is a high likelihood of this bot being restored so your project will again see monthly updates of popular pages.

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Your whole argument is predicated upon the insistence that a speech denigrating transgendered people by making verifiably false claims about them cannot be described as transphobic

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are accurate, this speech is clearly trans-antagonistic, not "camp" humor. I didn't read the other link because the first one was triggering enough. (I am trans, for the record.)

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covers; less relevant would be what other similar articles may cover. The Q is additive and inclusive and not at all restrictive. I think there is reasonable consensus for the Q.

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purposes is what has been reported in reliable sources, and if those sources report that people have described Yiannopoulos as transphobic then that's fair game to include here.

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in the stuff he puts out. The Bloomberg piece linked above is useful background, and his own words during an interview on Channel 4 give good insight, as transcribed by the

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That makes sense. I've never even thought about keeping track of the watchlist of something like this WikiProject, so I can imagine that being a big plus of doing this. ~

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transitioning from male to female." would be nice, and would allow us to clear up which pronouns to use. Does anyone with twitter feel presumptuous enough to ask her?

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please? Is anyone able to find the right sources? There must be research about this. I do believe witch-hunts are part and parcel of the LGBTQ experience, don't you?

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with respect to intersex. I wouldn't want to include intersex topics in this proposed subcategory without the approval of that community (which I am not a part of).

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Please see the above linked discussion and consider weighing in. It is about disputes regarding biomedical information at two different articles, and other issues.

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yet because even though he has a page on the Victory Fund website, I haven't found a reference saying he is gay. Is there a newspaper article we could cite please?

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article and believe that it has improved beyond a Start-class article. I would love to have people take a look at the article and let me know what they think!

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They can use any term they want. We aren't quoting them, we use encyclopedic language, not neologisms or euphemisms. That's not disruptive, it's constructive.

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This probably won't be a popular opinion, but since its a 6k article, just barely not a stub, and the proposed content is about 15% of that size, I think the

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City and the article detail the LGBTQ experience. These metrics are then what need to be followed, i.e., the article title needs to describe the content that

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Castncoot and Stickee, you both were partially right about what I meant, but I don't think clarifying my opinion is going to help us find consensus on this.

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confirms this, though I suppose we should probably have a source commenting upon this usage of language rather than sources using language in this manner. ~

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His article talkpage appears to be a mousetrap, so I am posting this here first. I guess it could be added to the section about his tour, and possibly in

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Who does? Sorry, slightly off topic, but I have never heard this. I've seen "homophobic" and "transphobic" in countless LGBTQ Studies journals and books.

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about an academic source for LGBTQueer characters in video games. Opinions are welcome regarding their reliability as a source for video game articles.

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I can understand that some terms become outdated, and other terms are considered offensive by minority sections of society...However we are still using

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I do see your point overall, however. It's just that when we merged articles, I agreed with the intention of including (at least, at the start) the Q.

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may be helpful. It doesn't answer the question, but it might provide a little insight. And Bearcat is correct; the word "journalist" does not apply.

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I was basing my comments (in particular to the word "gay" - which now, seems more suitable for that article that "homosexual") on the source in the

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Why don't we just add it now and if someone else objects, we can discuss it further? How much consensus do we need? I feel like this may never end.

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for being able to communicate this information so clearly ^_^ I'm afraid the user has left the discussion, however, so they might never see it. ~

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No need, we've found some written sources in which Butler identifies as transgender. There is a bit of an open question about whether Butler's

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There would be some truth to the idea that he's more of a performance artist than a journalist — if there's one thing what he does definitely

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http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2015/11/10/arrested-transgender-woman-files-complaint-against-wdm-hotel/75508728/

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either. It's remotely possible that improved coverage of him might exist somewhere not indexed by Google News, but not particularly likely.

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Knowledge talk:WikiProject LGBT studies/Noticeboard#Arbitration request: Deletion of sourced content motivated by personality disagreements

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If a userspace draft doesn't work, and a Knowledge space (WikiProject subpage) doesn't work, then perhaps Draft space is the best option -

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using MOGAI and confuse the crap out of all our readers, or we just wait for more information and consensus in the outside world, I say. ~

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experience. Therefore, I believe the title should be reverted back to that LGBTQ form unless there is a rational consensus against such.

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could add it, as it is controversial and they are an admin. Should we try to reach consensus on a couple of sentences here first though?

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probably has enough references, but I've been the target of relentless AFDs lately and I'd rather create new articles with a few people.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/transgender-woman-jailed-for-eight-days-files-lawsuit-against-iowa-hotel-a6730841.html

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says he referred to transgender people as "mentally ill". I don't think anybody could describe this speech act as not transphobic.

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I also strongly doubt that an article about him would be genuinely viable — the obituary claims only that he was the founder of a

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as she and a travel companion were "men dressed like women." Profiling based on race and gender identity is illegal in Iowa. The

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The lack of interest doesn't make me very confident about the intended meaning behind the shift in WikiProject scope to "LGBT+".

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I do still think they may be taking him too seriously though. But perhaps we shouldn't worry about that, especially if we say, "

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as well. But so far I can't find obituaries in the mainstream press. Not even on the website of The Advocate (at least not yet).

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There's no need to repeat your proposal. If you like, however, you can join the discussion by explaining why you proposed it.

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should read the proposed text at the beginning of this subsection again. It clearly does imply that the content is factually

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Yes, a couple of redirects wouldn't hurt. Also, are there similar housing facilities outside the US? Any notable legal cases?

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a reassessment? I've made a similar request at the Biography WikiProject but things there seem fairly quiet. Many Thanks,

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be a better term to use? I'm just trying to avoid a neologism, when there are perfectly acceptable alternatives available.

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Talk:Human sexuality#Wording that implies that all heterosexual, and gay and lesbian people are bisexual or sexually fluid

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Hello, a minor edit war is flaring up regarding whether or not to include the birth name of transgendered TV personality

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It would be canvassing if Zigzig20s said, "Feel free to chip in only if you agree with me", but that's not what OP said,

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The use as sourced is additive and inclusive, not restrictive, i.e., "A and/or B", not "the intersection of A and B".

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That's largely the opposite of the consensus. RET argues the Q runs the risk of categorising people who shouldn't be.

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that having a dedicated working group for them would aid efforts to monitor vandalism and improve coverage. Thoughts?

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As per the polite request from Ryk72 on my talk page, I have gone ahead and created a !vote for the proposed text at

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I assume Zigzag simply means that 'witch hunt' is used often in a figurative sense with relation to LGBT topics ^_^;

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I did. But this is neither pejorative nor criticism; it is simply acknowledgement that both journals are engaged in

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There's a new incident with Yiannopoulos, a gay professor, the LGBT center and the Mormon university chancellor at

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subsection dedicated to her LGBT advocacy work, which does not currently exist, as well as expanding the top-level

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or similar. I also note that a significant proportion of the discussion above is firmly on the wrong side of both

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Interesting. NBC News apparently was being too specific, but the reverse can be problem, too. Applying any broad "

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on the Talk page, I've added a section "Personal" to the article containing the best refs, and moved the page to

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thing, then that should return in the article. If it isn't, then it shouldn't. There exists no consensus, inside

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article, but this case (with a local, out-of-court settlement) probably isn't notable enough to include there.

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Thank you for your consideration. Please note that voting for proposals continues through December 12, 2016.

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Talk:The 100 (TV series)#RfC: Should the article mention the national and/or iconic aspect of Lexa's impact?

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Is there a way to start a draft on this WP and work on it together before we move it to mainspace? I think

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evidence that he's actually more trans-positive than his public statements would suggest, or are you just

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I don't like getting assigned the Q... But yeah, if a specific subject is marketed or described as an LGBT

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article from GLAAD - "Please use gay or lesbian to describe people attracted to members of the same sex."

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reverted, and then Castncoot moved it again. I propose that we revert to status quo and talk it through.

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this being used is ny people arguing some identities aren't as highly important as other identities... ~

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under this project, or is there something more fitting, such as LGBT rights? Please just change then. --

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Wording that implies that all heterosexual, and gay and lesbian people are bisexual or sexually fluid

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Last time I checked in with Jim Ambrose, he wasn't big into having an article of his own. Just FYI -

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preferences are female or gender-neutral ones, but the basic identity issue issue of whether Butler

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feedback), but it seems most of the byte count in the paragraph is footnotes, not actual body text.

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Further, there are over 260 proposals in all to review and vote for, across many aspects of wikis.

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It seemed like you wanted to take it slow and cautiously, but I don't have any objection to that;

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One could also wonder if the controversy is one of the subject's major claims to notability.. ~

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was made, I asserted that the discussion would have been better held at the article talk page.

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his "derogatory and debasing ableist language when describing members of the trans community".

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Department Of State. The Office of Website Management, Bureau of Public Affairs (2016-07-19).

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I'm sorry, I wonder if we're looking at the same source or link - what I'm seeing says, "LGBT

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could shed some light on this? I'm not aware of anything else on MOS that might be relevant.

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Thanks. On second thoughts, it looks like it's a direct quote from the student union at the

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message to inform you about a technical proposal to revive your Popular Pages list in the

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Less generous minds would question whether such misunderstanding is wilful. I do not; but

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/29/transgender-woman-meagan-taylor-iowa-hotel

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intervened before the Iowa Civil Rights Commission, obtaining an out-of-court settlement.

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has suggested I ask WP:LGBT to weigh in, so hopefully I am doing so in the right place.

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be moved out of the section on gender identities and into the section on Culture, where

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for more information, and please let me know if you have any questions at all. Cheers,

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I find this disturbing. Why should LGBT newspapers be treated as second-class sources?

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to people as black, which is also perfectly acceptable, have to do with any of this?)

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I don't believe that any editor has suggested or implied that LGBT newspapers should

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Hello. I see at least two third-party sources about Milo's alleged transphobia, both

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this should not be argued for each of the many thousands of articles using the term.

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Not that I know of, but I could Google around a bit. I'm curious about it as well. ~

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persons, a larger, different acronym that includes a larger, different population.

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Hi folks, a user on this page is changing "same sex attracted" (a term used by the

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Hi. Should we add some referenced content to the "figurative usage" subsection of

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Can anyone here list the main discussions for settling the LGBT acronym dispute?

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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I collected evidence that this person did a name change and documented that in

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Just for general background on what Yiannopoulos might or might not be up to,

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RfC on how to include information on the impact of a character's death at the

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so it seems like an appropriate use of the talkpage of a related project to me

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that I think you may be interested in reviewing and perhaps even voting for:

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and all. Want me to add it? I don't mind getting reverted if anyone objects.

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Note: I am happy to expand on this further on my Talk page should you wish.

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Interview invitation from a Knowledge researcher in University of Minnesota

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I'm against it, but I think we should try to create more relevant articles.

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Thanks. While we're at it, we may want to add more in-line references to

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LGBT cultures in very small countries can be less important in sometimes.

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over the inclusion of content relating to LGBT+ victims. Input welcome.

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Hello! I've posted here a couple of times looking for assistance on the

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Knowledge talk:WikiProject Video games/Sources#LGBTQ Video Game Archive

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article. Reading through the history of the editor's contributions (

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Would any project members care to discuss the best wording for the

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Would anyone be interested in working on this draft with me please?

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group, which isn't in and of itself adequate notability to pass

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2016 Community Wishlist Survey Proposal to Revive Popular Pages

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article. I'm back this time asking specifically about adding a

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The last thing I'd want to do is encourage heteronormativity.

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Isn't it homophobic to say gays will be punished by God? (sic)

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which significantly overlaps with a section of this article.

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There appears to be consensus to include the proposed text.

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have to be "campy" or "ironic", after all — performance art

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for Featured Article consideration. This article is about a

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I posted to try to assist! Thanks for sharing the notice.

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is covering the topic of LGBT seniors in such as way that

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interpretation based on the speeches themselves would be

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refers to opinions, and explicitly includes the advice "

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if anyone wants to contribute to the conversation go to

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of what I have said, and as such is rejected outright.

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Greetings WikiProject LGBT studies/Archive 57 Members!

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suppose you could create a draft on your own subpage (

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discussion on the page for the Oakland warehouse fire

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as being wholly without merit; based as as it is on

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And it really does not matter whether we, 1733:returns numerous hits, for what it's worth. 1463:is short compared to lists available online 5307:for such lists, but I'm not sure I see the 4244:describe this speech act as not transphobic 3591:cisgender lesbians being trans-antagonistic 2694:characters of color on daytime television. 2650:Domestic violence in same-sex relationships 2644:Domestic violence in same-sex relationships 1327:characters of color on daytime television. 278:is still WP:OR regardless of the number of 5333:Quality Update for Transgender health care 4883:I would like to add an importance scale.-- 4667:Talk:Milo_Yiannopoulos#Off-page_discussion 4385:; I have not asserted that the writers in 3033:The WikiProjects seem to be in order. The 2626:which may be of interest to this project. 1484:Talk:Intersex surgery#Proposed name change 1095:User:Zigzag20s/John C. Anderson Apartments 5255:Category:LGBT state legislators in Nevada 5148:, who don't have Knowledge articles yet: 5405:, for anyone who wants to take this up. 5385:But putting this in the article without 5337:Hi everyone! I have been working on the 4571:, The Advocate by history & content) 3560:about gay men who say outrageous things. 2490:I would like to ask the question should 2153:, falsely claiming her to be engaged in 1665:Guide of Services and Resources"? Best, 1620:with the smaller and less comprehensive 857:the information might be best suited? -- 4549:You called them, "biased sources". Why? 3589:I could also show plenty of sources of 3498:, I would indeed take him at his word. 2443:Transgender rights in the United States 2227: 2130:Drury Hotels and a transwoman of colour 1782: 18:Knowledge talk:WikiProject LGBT studies 5294:LGBTs, women) are still significantly 4725: 4721: 4650: 4537: 4423: 4414: 4378: 4369: 4360: 4347: 4243: 4133: 2938:Thanks for the note. I left a comment. 2419:That would definitely be a solution. ~ 1920:Wow, they're arguing over what I said? 1731:search of their site on the term LGBTQ 1694: 1259: 909:. We don't even have an article about 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 4343:personally directed misrepresentation 4270:; they are not verifying it as fact. 3812:Thanks. I think we could/should cite 3253:University of Minnesota - Twin Cities 7: 5397:, and especially inadmissible under 3758: 3721: 3545:not really be as vile as he sounds? 3247:I am Bowen Yu, a Ph.D. student from 2923:– please comment there, not here. -- 1461:Intersex civil society organizations 239:The following discussion is closed. 5273:Diversity in the Nevada Legislature 4476:(veteran of the lengthy battles at 3816:, not the campus newspapers though. 3428: 3305: 2622:There is currently a discussion at 1643:confident the authors are. Thanks. 5476:transgender has been covered off. 4538:be treated as second-class sources 2697:Comments would be appreciated, at 1330:Comments would be appreciated, at 605:, and we still refer to people as 24: 5271:By the way, I have stumbled upon 4976:We should add an importance scale 4822:West Virginia University incident 4651:a lot of knowledge on LGBT issues 4315:Avoid stating facts as opinions. 3607:Regardless, I tend to agree with 3593:; this isn't just about gay men. 2995:. Your comments are appreciated. 1152:Draft:John C. 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