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listing the current call or frequency or format but think that the first airdate means just that. So, WMMS's first airdate should be August 1946. The format change date should be included in the article & if so determined here to be infobox worthy, it should go underneath the 1946 date. Again, to me anyway, first airdate means first time they took to the air.
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The established consensus on Knowledge (XXG) is that any radio station which is properly licensed by the appropriate licensing authority (FCC in the US, CRTC in Canada, OFCOM in the UK, etc.), and which originates at least some of its own programming, is notable enough for an article. There are radio
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I have understood this to be for the date the radio station first took to the air, not for callsign nor frequency nor format changes. I have seen cases in which other dates (like the latest call or format) was posted but understood this was for the former callsigns/frequencies lines. Another member
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There is no value, furthermore, in arguing about the definition of "inherently notable", and whether or not that's the same thing as "always or usually kept" — that's simply splitting hairs for no productive reason. The consensus is what it is and the argument that's being raised just isn't going to
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You keep using the word "spin" but not once have you used it correctly. Since this seems to be a difficult concept for you I'll spell it out very clearly: If you're going to claim that radio stations are inherently notable, you need to provide a link to this consensus, it is not my job to do that
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which is substantially similar to the KIK article, since the format hasn't really changed. Is it appropriate to have two articles, or should the articles be combined and the older title be made into a redirect? If the articles should be combined, maybe someone from this project could contact the
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More references would certainly be a good idea if possible — local community newspapers in the immediate area might be a good place to look — but as long as a radio station's broadcast and licensing data shows up in the FCC database that in and of itself is entirely sufficient referencing to get a
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KTTR AM and FM pages have been nominated for deletion. KTTR has been on the air since the 1940s and I think it should be in Knowledge (XXG). It was cited for copy-write violation but I have heavily edited to ensure it is not in violation. Please help me by reviewing this entry and make changes to
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as a rebroadcaster of another station, for example, should be redirected to its parent station or service rather than having a separate article, and low-power or unlicensed (Part 15, carrier current, pirate radio stations, etc.) broadcasters may or may not be notable depending on the strength of
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Whereas I'd say that current callsigns/frequencies/etc. should be covered on those appropriate lines of the infobox. Maybe there should be a "current callsign" line or one for format or whichever like there is for owner & then licensee in parentheses below it. I am actually not opposed to
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I haven't done this before but would like to upload the logo for WTKK's HD2 channel "96.9 Irish" which is found at . There are no copyright notices anywhere on that page. Has anyone uploaded images before & know what to do in this case? Can it be uploaded because there are no copyright
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You have to upload it as a non-free image with a fair use template. It's actually pretty simple, if you follow the old guided form. (Rest assured, almost every logo you'll find is under copyright protection in the United States. Copyright notices are no longer required.) -
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offer any clear guidance on what exactly "first air date" is, and I suspect there is good reason for this. Readers and reliable sources alike identify radio stations with current callsigns, particularly older stations. For example, the "first air date" for radio station
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of them. Since you seem unable to do this very simple thing, perhaps others might be able to. That's why I'm asking a very simple question, one that you'd think you'd be more willing to provide an answer to since it would solve this rather quickly. -
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is often identified as September 28, 1968, when in reality this is when the WMMS callsign was first assigned (prior to 1968, WMMS broadcast as WHK-FM). Incidentally, many FM stations only simulcast programming from AM sister stations before the 1960s
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is quite clear: Though low power stations with limited range and no original home-made content are normally not considered notable, other radio stations are usually kept as notable. That's been the repeated outcome when they're taken to AFD. --
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the first air date for the current callsign. The purpose of the infobox is to summarize key points of the article subject. Is the current callsign not a key fact most readers would like easy and direct access to without having to sift through
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it does nothing but reflect poorly upon you, since it highlights the behavior you are guilty of. This is not "spin" by any definition. Why don't you try that again, but with some sort of proof of this consensus this time? -
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radio market, which I was wondering if anybody could help with. Specifically, about a week ago somebody partially overwrote the article to be about K236AY, which is listed in the article as an FM translator of the AM station,
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Actually, I have provided numerous answers, you refuse to accept any of them. You have now been told by an admin that radio stations are inherently notable, you refuse to accept that. We are now moving (quite quickly) into
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is my work in progress). However I'm not finding much information about the station, possibly because it's so new. Can anyone make any recommendations for sources of info, and/or how this article can be expanded? Thanks!
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I'm new and trying to figure out how to edit inside this template. It seems very complicated, so there must be an easier way. I'm looking for helps for this template. Is there a link to such a page that I am missing?
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Furthermore, I think it would be more appropriate that this section be re-titled "History," as that seems to be the focus of the content. If desired, a separate section could be created to discuss the format.
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An editor has opened a discussion as to whether radio stations are inherently notable. This has been rehashed numerous times, each time the answer is "yes". If you wish to participate in the discussion, you
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Situation reported on ANI about an edit conflict involving an editor with the radio station and a general user conflicting about what information should be included, along with what's been interpreted as a
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So, please do NOT use any Arbitron radio "DMA" information and remove any Arbitron radio "DMA" information listed on any page, else we are going to be getting another DMCA Takedown Notice. Thanks. -
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reflex, however), and while it does cite secondary sources all but one are dead links whose content cannot be verified and the one source that can be accessed is not enough to get the topic past
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Is there anybody familiar with the Austin radio market, or does anyone know another way to verify what's actually airing on K236AY so that we can make the necessary corrections. Gracias!
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alter it at all, because even if you can prove that radio stations aren't "inherently notable" that still won't actually result in the actual deletion of any radio station that meets
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If you could provide a single example of "each time the answer is yes" that would help you tremendously, because right now it's your claim of inherent notability at odds with
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Actually, I'm not. An admin supports me, I doubt you actually looked and policy backs me up that you need to find these dicussions, not me, yeah, we have ventured into
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of KTXZ — however, I've done the necessary queries on the FM site and confirmed that at least according to them, KTXZ and K236AY are owned by two different companies.
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I'm not arguing that they are not usually kept, nor am I arguing that they do not have a very strong presumption of notability. What I am saying is that they are not
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So I'd like to solicit some additional input, are these salvageable articles for which improved sources are available, or should they be prodded or sent to AFD?
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Please note that I am not proposing first air date w/ current callsign instead of first air date overall. I propose using both with a qualifier for each (
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Are you kidding me? You provided a bunch of AfDs, which shows that those individual articles were kept, nothing more. Given that what I have found (
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First one's been deleted, second one probably should be too. Looks like a kid's 1) pirate radio station or 2) internet radio station. -MrRadioGuy
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also appears to be an unlicensed low-power station with no AMQ or RecNet records, its article is dancing on the edge of promotional (not quite
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I didn't actually say that they are inherently notable. I said that the usual outcome when these articles are taken to AFD is Keep. --
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As a followup to the above discussion, yesterday I came across two articles about radio stations whose notability is questionable:
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It is not uncommon for Company A to lease out their translator to Company B while the translator is still owned by Company A. -
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None of it was sourced and what was was unencyclopedic, so I removed it all. It's now a stub. I would work on a history with
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page. The writer spends much of the first paragraph expressing an opinion about the station's original program director.
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has recently had a change of ownership and has changed its name to Darwin FM. There is a new article in the works at
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and a few updates made. Any interested editor can continue to improve this article to bring it fully up to date. -
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This station's city of license was changed from a city in Nevada to a city in Utah. I don't know how to do that. -
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the lack of a license — but a radio station which has a broadcast license and originates its own programming
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anything you think is violation of copy-write. Any help improving these pages would also be very helpful.
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What's wrong with the translator box? I can't get it to display correctly & all that shows up is html!
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appears, as far as I can tell, to be an unlicensed low-power community broadcaster; the article cites
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Knowledge (XXG) talk:Notability (organizations and companies)#Are radio stations inherently notable?
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in the case of WMMS). I see nothing wrong with including the first air date overall for a station
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If you're going to make a claim on multiple talk pages, try to show this claim on at least
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Just move the old article to the new name, so that the history is properly maintained.
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by virtue of being duly licensed and originating at least some of its own programming.
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inherently notable, and have provided proof of that consensus, which is documented at
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from the former, so a couple experienced eyes from Arizona would be appreciated.
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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I've located a source which suggests that K236AY's programming source once was
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stations which are excluded by this — a transmitter which serves
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be reflected. So, we both need clarification on this. Thanks.
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Please note that there are already related discussions at
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I've started working on a new article for WGSS 89.3 FM (
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for you. I have made a claim that radio stations are
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Knowledge (XXG) talk:Articles for creation/Darwin FM
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Need Help Saving KTTR AM and FM Pages From Deletion.
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