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attached to referenceable statements then I consider litter to be an accurate description and such litter has to make a casual reader question the accuracy of the article; there is no such litter in Britanica. This is particularly so when a tag bomber places 30+ tags in one article to which they have never made a contribution. We obviously disagree and I look forward to continued discussion when I raise the policy question regarding improving the criteria for adding and removing fact tags

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tags particularly since there is a presumption of "good faith" of the editors who created and allowed the material to stand until the tag bombing. Removing such tags is tedious so they tend to remain in place littering Knowledge (XXG) and making it seem less reliable than it actually is. I think we need a change to the policy to make removal of such tags easier.

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did not need a cite (I found "he became a free agent after the season" multiple times despite the next sentence being signed to a new contract which proves the prior sentence). I did find a few articles that do have ref-bombing and it made me question the point of doing so (one had 30+ cn tags and it was a rather short article).

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editing another 10% or so were referenceable leaving about 10% for deletion of the tagged statement as not referenceable. I suspect most {{cn}} are attached to valid statements and too many have been applied by tag bombers who have no idea whether the tagged statement is valid or not, see for example

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and found most of them were applied to verifiable statements; although my sample size is small I believe the study is statistically valid and it seems to be supported by qualitative experience of these participants above. There are 500,000+ fact tags throughout Knowledge (XXG), if most of them are

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Of the ones I found (also sports), I'd say about 50% did need a citation and it took some effort to find (either with newspapers.com or book sources), 25% needed a citation and were easy to find, and the remaining 25% were either uncncyclopedic things that I removed as trivial or things that really

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I likewise didn't keep notes, and it's hard to offer anything but vague impressions after the fact. Since this was framed as a drive with a time limit, I was cherry-picking tags that were relatively easy to fix. The majority could be referenced with articles via Newspapers.com – a resource that not

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Fyi, my laptop broke down the other day so I am currently on a Wikibreak. I'm hoping to get it fixed by the end of the week but I'm having trouble with the warranty so it might take longer. I've tried editing Knowledge (XXG) on my phone and tablet but I absolutely hate it so will be waiting for the

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Hello, we are reaching out to members of this project, because you are experts when it comes to referencing. For many years, community members have requested an easy way to re-use references with different details. Now, a MediaWiki solution is coming: The new sub-referencing feature will work for

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While it is true that everything needs to be verifiable only those "likely to be challenged" require inline citations! When an editor who has never made a contribution to an article adds 30 {{fact}} tages in one edit I have to question whether that editor has a "good faith" basis for adding such

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I'm interested in any statistics regarding the dispositions of the {{cn}} tag during the project. A while back I did a personal project where I resolved about forty or so randomly selected such tags. It turns out with little effort I found valid references for about 80% of them and with minor

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It'll probably be the beginning of next week before I'm back online normally. Today was my birthday. Aging isn't as fun as it used to be - excessive quantities of alcohol had to be consumed to make the day tolerable. I doubt I'll be fit to negotiate laptop warranties in the morning. I've got a

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I was mainly doing sports articles, so a majority of them were needed and easily accessible, but some not so accessible. Only in 5 instances, that I can recall, did a source already exist in the article and be used again for a cn tag. The remaining ones were "source=" tags for sports tables.

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I will be back to distributing barnstars in the coming days. I've had a string of technical issues the past few weeks and unfortunately haven't been able to contribute as much as I'd like. My laptop (which is only 2 months old and had an in-warranty repair last month during the drive) is now

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and found that most fact tags were applied to readily verifiable statements; is this your experience? It would be great if you had some qualitative or quantitative information about your June experience that you would be willing to share. If inclined to do so you can post it below. Thanks

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It is, but I noticed that when this particular template is subst'd, the {{#switch:}} paraphenalia is visible in the source. I guess that isn't that big a deal, since people aren't analyzing the aesthetic value of the source code of their talk pages. But I've also heard of this thing called

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for referencing a source multiple times with different details. The new sub-referencing feature doesn’t change anything about existing approaches to referencing, so you can still use sfn. We have created sub-referencing, because existing workarounds don’t work well with Visual Editor and

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everyone has access to – or Google Books. A significant fraction of them, maybe 10%, could be resolved by adding a footnote to one of the citations already present in the article. A small handful of statements weren't verifiable and were sufficiently dubious that I ended up removing them.

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It seems to me that such tag bombing litters Knowledge (XXG) with unjustified questioning of facts which to the casual reader makes Knowledge (XXG) seem to be much less reliable than it actually is. I'm going to propose a change to the policy regarding {{cn}} to make

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I found this to be oddly entertaining hunting for sources, some of which were easy, and some that required a deep dive. Thanks from me as well. The graph shows a serious dent put into the overall number, but it always moves towards an upward slope--almost

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I've finished awarding the barnstars. I'll leave to Cremastra the pleasure of awarding the special barnstar for the highest score (which goes to Iadmc with a whopping 3104 points). I think the drive was a big success. It should be repeated!

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wikitext and Visual Editor and will enhance the existing reference system. You can continue to use different ways of referencing, but you will probably encounter sub-references in articles written by other users. More information on

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tags that were unnecessary. In cases where they were obviously not needed, I removed them altogether, noting this in the edit summary for forensics if someone objected. I didn't find a lot of these, but there were a few dozen

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Bit of an aside here: I don't know what the final value was at 00:00 1 July 2024, but for posterity sake, right now, the total sits at 520,265. Since the number displayed on the main page is a moving target from the category.

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I'd argue that someone attaching a cn tag to a statement means it more than meets the threshold of being "material whose verifiability has been challenged", the second type of statement which requires a citation as per

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I wasn't sure if the drive was going ahead, so I didn't touch the drive draft until there was more activity here. I think what we should do is set a hard date for the drive (June?) so that everyone's on the same page.

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must be supported by reliable sources. Any editor who questions the validity or verifiability of any content should always feel free to tag it. If the tag is inappropriate or unnecessary, it can be easily removed.

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I have to say I dislike the characterisation of tag-bombing as intrinsically bad. Yes, there are a few problematic editors who inappropriately tag, but one of the most important policies of Knowledge (XXG) is that

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I see that only a handful of barnstars have been awarded. Should we wait for the return of Cremastra to hand them out? I can do a few if needed (though I suppose it would be weird to hand out one to myself!)

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I personally think that scoring criteria is too complicated. Unless its done on an honor system, without a script/tool to assist, that level of granularity would make verifying scoring absolutely laborious.

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tags could be removed, but really only if the credits were verifiable. Some of these classic TV shows did not always list everyone in the onscreen credits, so it's better to verify rather than assume.

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definitively dead and I'm being sent a brand new one. It should arrive in the next few days. I've made the occasional edit on my phone recently but I really hate editing without a mouse and keyboard.

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Update for June 21st: for the first time since the start of the drive, the number of articles in the backlog is lower than 520,000. We've net reduced the backlog by almost 1.5 thousand articles.

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Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, I might have a go at editing on tablet again over the next few days. Will try to keep contributing, at least. Get rid of some unsourced statements if nothing else.

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I believe there is independent evidence that Knowledge (XXG) articles are at least as accurate as Britanica which is quite a bit more reliable than the rhythm method. Personally, I undertook a

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To be fair, the cn tag is just the flag to add citations or remove the unverifiable content. They are very necessary. But so is the need to cite over them and other unsourced material... —

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team is planning to bring this feature to Wikimedia wikis later this year. We will reach out to creators/maintainers of tools and templates related to references beforehand.

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Also, since I work a lot on the Westerns project and its task forces, I focused on articles in that space. I found that when looking at actor biographies, there were often

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Also, ARandomName123 has bowed out of co-ordination, so we might need a second user besides myself to help answer questions, resolve technical problems, hand out barnstars,

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Also, I agree with Czar's point above - it seems like it's a bit complicated without having scripts or tools. We could have the scoring similar to CactiSteeringCrane's

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Yuk. That module should just disallow adding the information if you don't provide a citation... although I guess we'd likely end up with a boatload of bad citations.

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I don't know that I saw too many instances of clear-cut tag bombing. There were at least a few articles where someone had slapped CN tags on almost every paragraph.

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tags for credits (such as a TV show where the specific episode is noted). These are not necessary, since the credits of the show noted are the primary source (per

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Oh, damn, I forgot about that one. Ideally, I think it would be included, but since I've been saying from the start of the drive that you get points only through

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ReferencePreviews. We are looking forward to your feedback on how our solution compares to your existing methods of re-using references with different details.

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Thanks you all for your efforts in the June 2024 drive to reduce unsourced statements. A while back I ran into a tag bomber at a site I monitor, so I did some

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I just sent out thirty or so barnstars (up to and including That Tired Tarantula if anyone else wants to help out). I'll try to do a few more tomorrow.

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Who will win: This drive, or the secret drive to add to unsourced statements? I think that's the better way of interpreting this development! //

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Clearing an article of tags is awarded two extra points if the article had five tags or more, and four extra points if it had ten or more.

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Sorry, I just noticed your response (had a wall of notifications the other day). Isn't it standard practice to subst barnstars? E.g.

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to remember to check the page again in a couple of weeks and remove content that hasn't been cited. Half the time I forget though.

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No problem, I'll be available to help. A small suggestion, though, could we add "earning you this " or something like that. E.g.:

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I think this looks great! It would be awesome to see the backlog number come down (instead of go up) after such a drive.

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I don't know if that helps. I'm certainly willing to go back over my stuff and give some specific examples for review.

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FWIW I tried your random page test; only one of the ten pages had an article needs references tag; none were stubs.

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should only be very rarely applied: if you come across unsourced content, you should either add a citation, or, per

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I'll try, to add that; I think it can also be done with {{#switch:}}. Also, I realized that the template probably

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mentioned on Discord that the large amount of cn tags for May 2024 and June 2024 are due to no sources added with

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and so on, it feels dishonest on my part to let this one in through the back door two-thirds of the way through.

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Update: I've sent the barnstars up to Mgp28 (included) if anyone wants to take over. A little over 30 are left.

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I’m out for the first few days of July; but afterwards, I think I’m okay with doing so. Is that alright? :] ~

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If anything, I think we need to be much stricter on verifiability. You claim these tags make Knowledge (XXG)

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It would be wonderful if you could help out. I can do a few, but I'm travelling and on holiday until August.

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Each tag replaced with a citation is awarded 4 points. Removing the unsourced statement is worth 1 point.

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to hand put awards while I'm away on vacation. The drive wouldn't have been as successful without them.

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This reminds me — I'm going to unavailable at the start of July, starting June 28th or so. I've made

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on 11 January 2019. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see

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Yes. Most tags were attached to easily sourced material. Made it easy to get so many done, though! —

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laptop. Anything I can help with in the meantime, leave a message on my talk page or send an email.

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I'll be moderately busy around the end of June, and will have less time than usual. Any volunteers?

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Because was late adding the data to the spreadsheet, so it actually comes from early June 14th. :/

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This was the first drive of this type I've taken part in and I really enjoyed it - many thanks to

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After the category has more than about 50 articles would be the appropriate time to add the above.

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While I didn't keep any specific quantifiable notes, I can say that, yes, I did experience some

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Here's what I have for scoring, but I fear it is a bit too complicated. What do you think?

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Cremastra said earlier he would be unavailable in some unspecified early part of july //

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Laziness. I've got all the data in a spreadsheet; I'll upload a new version shortly.

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for organising it. Turns out I'm really motivated by the promise of virtual points!

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of Knowledge (XXG) articles. If you would like to participate, please visit the

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Will there be a barnstar for reaching 3,000 points? I'm getting there... LOL —

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A novel written by Charles Eric Maine is not included in his written works@

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Hi! I'm pretty sure this is the place to ask, so I'm asking if we could do

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We are aware that enwiki and other projects already use workarounds like

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to get updates and/or invites to participate in user research activities.

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because there's often quite a lag between my upload and the update here.

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That's great. Thanks. I'll probably be able to lend a hand now and then.

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Is the drive properly closed now? At least remove the "Sign up" button?

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backlog drive, earning you this Minor Barnstar. Thanks for helping out!

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Unfortunately, it's a bit last-minute to change the date: I've already

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Is there a reason this graph hasn't been updated for some time? //

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could hand out some barnstars, I'd really appreciate it. Cheers,

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I like this idea a lot; I've drafted a mock-up of the drive page

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You scored 157 points while adding citations to articles during

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wherein an editor admits to tag bombing for nearly two decades

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You scored 25 points while adding citations to articles during

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Knowledge (XXG) talk:Citation templates § References not notes

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Knowledge (XXG) talk:Citation templates § References not notes

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tags. So, in order to reduce those by replacing the tags with

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Yay, AMAZINg! I was afraid something had come in your way. //

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If at some point in July (I should be able to help as well)

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Plot summaries, and other aspects of a program's content,

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unreferenced articles backlog drive back in February 2024

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for lending a hand as well, and for offering along with

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Thanks for participating in the June 2024 backlog drive!

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Thanks for participating in the June 2024 backlog drive!

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to facilitate handing out barnstars. It works like this:

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Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject Anarchism#Cleanup drive

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tag removal drives. There's a large amount–according to

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Coming soon: A new sub-referencing feature – try it!

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There is a special barnstar awarded to first place.

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Updated for 11 Jul. The drive is not going well. :(

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Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Fact and Reference Check

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