Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject Ships/Archive 37

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names was indeed most notable and use that name except in the relatively few cases where two linked articles might best serve cases in which two "lives" were of particular note. For example, books could (and have been) be written about the great liners such as the Queens in both commercial and WW II service. There has also been a persistent problem with tagging ships "USS" that have never served a day as a commissioned U.S. Naval Ship—the fundamental requirement for proper usage—and USAT for U.S. Army Transport, though that is much more understandable. There was no bright line of a commissioning involved as with the USN and even experts differ in some cases.

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will sometimes name a class after the first one that they have (though occasionally they will choose a different designator) - though this can lead to sisterships with different owners having different class names. Third parties probably do indeed tend to do as Bushranger suggests (using the first name of the first ship), in the absence of a ship/designer class name and, though these have no particular official standing, they are certainly a convenience. Perhaps, for WP, the question is whether these class names are used by multiple RS.

3564:. It may simply be that though the ship spent a longer amount of time as a passenger liner, that a briefer period under a military name/designation, is of greater historical note. I'd personally leave things as they are, and discuss issues with individual articles as and when they arise, rather than trying to mandate a particular approach. It can be very hard in some instances to determine just what the 'universally known' name is, or how short a time can be considered as 'very brief', etc. 5807: 4276:(2009) does the same - MELPOMENE (LA), IPHIGENIE (L'), for example - but only in relation to this class, not for previous vessels of those names; and he refers to them as "Torpilleur type La Melpomène" . This is not because the article is optional, but for ease of reference in a dictionary. The Mercantile Navy List did the same with British merchant ships - THE QUEEN is found under QUEEN (THE). In case of doubt, this is supported by the photos at, for example, 6223:

be precise at least to the nearest unit and not compound any already present uncertainty. Think of it in these terms. With a currency conversion rate of 1.3236 I wonder how many of us would accept a "cost me about 150" plugged in to our handy dandy conversion ap as being equal to 110 instead of the 113 (actual 113.33) straight conversion? I'd be getting a new calculator! I thus contend that a unit conversion system with an intended feature of

31: 5964: 5895: 6244:, but that decimal point shows in text (at least to those with good eyes). I think I will just go back to my old method of obtaining or cross-checking conversions elsewhere and foregoing use of the template (which I often do in text which I first write). Accuracy should not be reduced simply because a value ends in 0 or 00; a three-meter difference in the reported surface elevation of a body of water is very significant. 5908: 5869: 5839: 5826: 5816: 5951: 5938: 695:, largely concerning the ship of that name - and the major incident that certainly establishes her notability. Clearly a separate ship article would not be justified for this otherwise standard cargo ship. But perhaps a ship infobox should be added, and some paragraphs on the rest of her history? If so, should the article be just "Khian Sea" with a redirect from the current title - or vv? 5792: 3627:, A great many "articles" here are nothing more than reformatted DANFS text. Digging and finding substantial public domain information about such a ship is far more work. Commerce, aside from advertising and maintenance, did not tend to keep large files on ship "histories" in archives now readily available or even existing. We also have a few cases in the opposite direction, for example 5925: 5882: 5852: 652: 4956:. It would be good to have a free image of high quality from before the ship was modernized. According to our article, "The icebreaker was built by Armstrong Whitworth in Newcastle upon Tyne .... The vessel was launched as the Svyatogor on 3 August 1916 and completed in February 1917." There are drawings on the web without adequate sourcing 5377: 823:). Not sure what's best to be done with it - over to you. Perhaps there's nothing encyclopedic to be said about gangways in the 21st century sense (development from original plank, safety, high-tech, etc ... perhaps it's all at some different title and just needs a disambiguation hatnote or addition to the dab page at 6032:

checked the conversion for 1 nautical mile by replacing the value to one. That gave "1 nmi (1.2 mi; 1.9 km)" for the straight conversion of 1.1507794; 1.852. Those are not unreasonable roundings in the template for the small value while a reasonable rounding of the 150 value would be 173 miles and 278 km respectively—

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ships covered. These include KOSHIMA and MINAS GERAES. Some other names, you can expect a colour illustration, WHO launched the ship and core details. HAMPSHIRE, AFRIDI, SUPERB, ROSARIO, IWATE, LANCASTER. I am sure this material would help a lot of people. I will be trying to see what we can get scanned.

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Unfortunately, a fair number of the creations were more or less boilerplate copies of each other, meaning that infobox, formatting or idiomatic construction problems (there are a few) in one are replicated across the lot. I've tackled a few but now they all look like correct duplicates of each other.

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behaviour, not a bug. No template can guess as to what the author wants, but Convert is well designed to give a level of accuracy based on the input (if you specify, for example, 173 miles, it'll round to the nearest whole kilometer; 170 miles would round to the nearest 10 km; 1700 would round to the

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Awesome! However, there is not indication of the copyright status of these images. Can you confirm that they are in the public domain, or that the T&W Archives has the authority to do so? Also, while I don't want to complain when there is an image available (better that than nothing!), the images

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Here are the catalogue references to the images that would be of interest to you. I am not exactly sure of the status of the images reproduced in the site. If they are linked back to Flickr Commons you could use them easily. If they are not you would need to use the archive catalogue to make requests

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It is clear to me that, for whatever reason, the French navy decided to include a definitive article in the names of a few ships (as well as those where it formed part of the name of a person or place being commemorated, in which cases these doubts do not arise). This class of torpedo boat was one.

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I am noticing tons of article names that suggest that there is no rule on how to name an article for a ship that sailed under more than one name. The lack of consistency is striking and in some cases a bit difficult to justify. Such as when you have a ship that spent 20+ years as an ocean liner and a

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I agree with your stance on over-classification of ships. Even if sources generally talk about ships individually, there is sometimes a tendency on enwiki to group them together and build a neat-looking structure of categories and navboxes &c. (This can even happen when a ship is very much one of

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I noticed a comment in the talk page of CV-7 about ship's gun inch to mm conversion being off and decided to check nautical mile conversion. That seems off as well. Under "Loss" the 150 nautical mile conversion gives "150 nmi (170 mi; 280 km)" while a straight conversion would be 172.61692; 277.8. I

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450/1/1 in front of me. It is a leatherbound book headed Admiral Duarte Huet De Bacellar. Inside are what appear to Armstrong's COLOUR launch brochures. It starts with March 22nd 1898 HIJMS ASAMA and ends with HATSUSE June 27th 1899. So the items are not bound in order but there seems to be about 40

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were written in the 1980s or earlier, so they didn't have access to Soviet records on the fate of the ship, which necessarily makes them inaccurate. We don't treat those accounts as factual, however, despite the fact that they represent a "consensus" of sorts. Those older sources are acknowledged in

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These categories puzzle me, too, but it's worth noting that paddlesteamers includes ocean-going vessels as well as steamboats, and steamboats includes screw-propelled as well as paddlewheel vessels. I don't know where we are supposed to put vessels with paddlewheels and internal combustion engines.

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and tick the box at the end of the page, where it says "Enable VisualEditor (only in the main namespace and the User namespace)". Save the preferences, and then try fixing a few typos or copyediting a few articles by using the new "Edit" tab instead of the section buttons or the old editing window

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For those interested in monitoring changes to cruise ship articles, we have the useful tool in the toolbar. However, the list seems to be quite out of date, so perhaps someone could use one of those fancy bots or programs to compile an up-to-date list of articles and their talk pages and perhaps put

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Please note that I'm not against navboxes in general. I just don't like the way some people "classify" every possible ship, either by grouping it with (near) sister ships or introducing a large number of single-ship classes. If it's done outside Knowledge (XXG), as is the case with many large cruise

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Yes Kablammo, and as I noted above there is a difference in an original error and further error compounding in a conversion from one measurement system to another. My problem here is that I think most people are like me. They expect a calculated conversion from one measurement system to another to

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In practical terms any position well out to sea before regular use of LORAN-C and then GPS is pretty likely to have a circular error of two or three miles. Even survey ships using LORAN-C had absolute errors on the order of hundreds or thousands of meters at extreme range or in areas of poor system

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Goody. A lot of people mistook me for a Finland-Swede, back when I lived in Sweden, years ago. An accent issue, I believe. Yes, the articles are mostly in a sad state, we are very much lacking in dedicated Swedish/Sweden-interested editors. A shame, really. Same thing goes for Denmark, not a lot of

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and some others...and am wondering if there's a wiki-distinction between "steamship" and "steamship" that's at play....don't want to spend more time on this until I know if I've even created the right category, and likewise don't want to create Arrow Lakes, Upper Fraser or Skeena categories until I

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The instances where 'the' is generally not used is only when the full usage would create a grammatical inconsistency. For example, 'the HMS Victory' would read as 'the Her Majesty's Ship Victory'. But 'the United States Ship' and hence 'the USS' and other examples are fine. As, in this instance, is

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be turned on for new users until common reference styles and citation templates are supported). These more complex features are being worked on, and the code will be updated as things are worked out. Also, right now you can only use it for articles and user pages. When it's deployed in July, the

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About 2,000 editors have tried out this early test version so far, and feedback overall has been positive. Right now, the VisualEditor is available only to registered users who opt-in, and it's a bit slow and limited in features. You can do all the basic things like writing or changing sentences,

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with the note: "U.S.S. Mohican from the hill behind Neiafu, Vavau, Tonga Islands From the George Handy Bates Samoan Papers Collection (with special thanks to the Special Collections Department, University of Delaware Library for their kind written permission to use this photo.)" and thus it must be

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I was handling a bound volume of shipyard ephemera with piece after piece signed de Lacey. I very much hope to be able to share some of this through Commons, scans have been made. Is anyone reading this interested in participating if I could organise it in a Skype based editathon about de Lacy and

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Level Series RefNo DF.CLR/8 Title Photographs of the Brazilian battleship 'Minas Geraes' Date 1908 - 1909 Description Includes photographs of the launch and of the vessel passing through the Swing Bridge, leaving the Tyne, firing its guns and at sea. The vessel was built by Sir W.G. Armstrong

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To bring this up to date: I've revised the pages where there are sources supporting use of the article in ship names (and, echoing Bob's and Sturmvogel's points, I would not want to see a naming convention grow out of this going beyond that) and (in view of the controvesry) I've put the destroyer

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If in fact there is no firm rule may I propose that the Wiki guidelines for article names be amended to specify that articles about ships with more than one name shall carry the name under which the ship was originally launched unless the original name was held only very briefly and or the ship is

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and Bushranger has raised an important point. For commercial vessels there are rarely "official" designator of a class name (outside former Soviet bloc). The nearest will be the shipyard or designer (eg SD14, UT745, StanTug 2608), who tend not to use the ship name. Owners, with multiple orders,

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be copyright now is highly questionable. In any case, the copyright notice on the Knowledge (XXG) page is pretty much nonsense as there is no evidence this is a government photo—and by the way, just because a photo is taken by a "sailor" or "employee" on official duty does not make it "government"

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ship index also existed. These both were subsequently remerged to the disambiguation page. The disambiguation page was subsequently purged of redlinks again. So, we now do not have a shiplist article, and the disambiguation page does not link the redlinked ships. Should we go about and rebuild the

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involving miles where such is actually needed. Even if we are talking inches or milimeters rounding to the nearest tens unit is a bit odd for measurements. For approximating, for example "airline distance New York to Cape Town, then I'd say the burden is then upon the writer to introduce a larger

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I do not think it right for WP to change the names actually given to these ships (and by extension their Class), provided they can be cited (which they can, from Roche, Nicolas etc). This is nothing to do with conventions, just the facts - the French navy did not usually include an article in the

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Also, if any of you are involved in template maintenance or documentation about how to edit pages, the VisualEditor will require some extra attention. The devs want to incorporate things like citation templates directly into the editor, which means that they need to know what information goes in

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had pretty obscure naval service but digging up her notable yacht days (there is a fair amount) involves digging in private archives and widely scattered news clippings, then weaving those into readable, cited text. My best take of the article name is similar to that of Benea. Judge which of the

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By all means, do it! There is no reason not to do it. Wifey says, everybody understands there is more than one king around and Sweden is not the navel of the world. Mind she is Finland-Swedish, but it's good enough for me. Judging from the state the articles are in, nobody really cares about it

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From memory, the Tyne & Wear was an important centre for warship building and repairs before and during World War I. Photos of warships under construction or repair would be invaluable if these are in the museums' collections - they're often more interesting than the PR-type photos which we

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edition chose to omit the definite article. I think the question is broader than these classes of destroyers specifically and should consider the usage across French warships generally. To follow one set of rules for certain ships and another for others is inconsistent, and while we do have a

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2 DS.VA/3/1994.164 Item Yard no. 791E, Minas Geraes. Showing the launch of Brazilian battleship Minas Geraes, Elswick shipyard 10.9.1908 4_164.jpg 3 DS.VA/3/1994.165 Item Yard no. 791E, Minas Geraes. Showing the Brazilian battleship Minas Geraes firing broadside of ten 12 in. guns

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nearest hundred or so, etc.) As always, it is up to the editor to read the instructions and use the template in a way that makes sense; of course, there will always be those who will blindly slap something into an article, but there's literally nothing to be done about folks like that.

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I added a weblink to a higher resolution version, which itself looks like a halftone. The image is in numerous locations on the web. I also added a bit to the fair use rarionale. If we do not have a consensus fair use rationale for lead images of ship articles, maybe we should.

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to "HMS" a few weeks ago, without much of an explanation. Wasn't there a discussion about this prefix confusion recently? What was the conclusion? Did it translate into a firm convention on what to do in these cases? I didn't want to move it/propose an RM without checking first.

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configuration. So, 150 nmi (170 mi; 280 km) or 150 nmi (173 mi; 278 km) just changes the already large circular error. Maybe it is the old navigator in me, but I don't know any systems of Earth measurement, certainly not in conversions from one measurement unit to another, that

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isn't in the infobox but is hanging around at the top of the lead paragraph. I tried to fix this but couldn't figure out what the problem is. Could somebody who's knowledgeable about such things please sort it out and, ideally, explain here what was needed? Thanks very much.

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One result of this is that a conversion from what is intended to be exactly 600 feet (to use a recent example I encountered) yields a metric approximation which is much less accurate, as the template assumes that the first figure (600) is rounded, when in fact it is not.

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I did not question the fact that they are sister ships. However, neither "class", "type" or "family" fulfill RS, so how to name the navbox? Also, often it's just two ships. Can't we just have the links to the sister ships within the article, in addition to navboxes like

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templates might function for all of the currently valid format parameters. Would these be workable? Is there sufficient need or desire for someone, me perhaps (though if it is me, it won't be soon because my life is about to get busier), to take the time to make the

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Or just move the articles to a proper parenthetically disambiguated name and be done with it. I do however, have some little trace of a memory that says that there are reasons why this can't be or shouldn't be done. Surely someone out there know the answer to

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Parsec:I agree that whatever these ships had on their name plates would be the true name: I don’t know how we can we establish that in each case (though the pictures David provided go some way towards it) but I do know that in the absence of absolute truth,

3178:. I added it in external links. I uploaded a bunch of nice images of her. I can crop the lake one down to just the ship for better use in the article. The stage curtain may be copyvio but I will check at commons. If not it may be the best for the infobox?-- 756:

Well, that doesn't get us very far. I'm not attracted to stand-alone ship articles that contain nothing more that the contents of an infobox, and then a separate article for the only thing of any interest that happened to the ship. I'll leave this one for

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I thought we weren't allowed to combine disambiguation pages with set indexes. People keep deleting set indices from disambiguation pages, citing dab guidelines. (or converts set index to dab page, with template change, and then deletes the entries) --

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and a bit too rough in my opinion for such conversions. While I will admit that navigation of the WW II period, particularly under battle conditions, often had raw numbers miles off I have a problem with introducing that sort of rounding in all cases.

5656:. Questions remain: his death date is in dispute, so is the spelling of his name. I know that much more of his work in public collections could be dug out. And much is war and marine art and so of clear interest. For instance I added the picture to 2063:

There doesn't seem to be a way to link to disambiguated ship classes using sclass, or am I missing something? "XYZ-class shiptype (1901)" or "Ufonian XYZ-class shiptype" or "Ufonian XYZ-class shiptype (1832)" won't link. This needs something like

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Yes, thanks, but the basic problem remains. Most editors will use the simple convert template and we are going to get most articles with values rounded too much. I would urge the template be fixed to at least round to the nearest whole number as

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was dismantled recently. Conceptually there are HUGE amounts to work on and the residency is quite limited. If you wish to edit any Tyneside and Wearside related pieces, always interested. I was scanning last week in the archives a beautful 1924

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several navies use HMS as a prefix; to avoid confusion with the British HMS this project follows NATO practice and adds a national disambiguator to prefixes for non-British ships eg. HNoMS (Norwegian), HSwMS (Swedish), HNethMS (Netherlands),

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Helpful though it indeed is, it has a good number of errors. Most obviously, British Shipbuilders began in mid-1977, not mid-1976 (it may be that the whole time-scale is displaced by one year, but I have not checked). Even a quick glance,

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I am reluctant to use WikiSwire as a source for any further articles until I have evidence of its verifiability. In the meantime, several other Second World War merchant shipping articles that I intended to create may have to wait until

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This is only a cursory look as I am on holiday (with a far-from consistent internet connection), but can return to this later in the month. I do think that British shipbuilding articles as a whole need considerable collaborative work.

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I try to avoid using the definite article when writing about ships, but sometimes it feels suitable when I have some words between the article and the name of the ship. However, I never use it with prefixes — talking about "...the MS

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articles, the matter of using articles before ship names comes up and I figured I'd check with you guys on a point of style; namely whether "the" is necessary before the name. The rule of thumb I learned during my time interning at

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rounding factor. Perhaps the answer is to change the template format that will be copied and pasted into articles to the full form ending in "|0}}" instead of one that defaults to effectively "|-1}}" for those cutting and pasting.

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I only photographed a few pages of Roche when I had temporary access to it a few years ago as I had no idea I'd be writing much more extensively on French ships. Only one of the pages I have shows an article after the ship's name,

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About the only ship types that need disambiguation are minesweeper and monitor and there are a lot more minesweeper classes than monitors. Look through the British minesweepers of WWI and WWII and you might find one that fits your

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The cruiseferry classes I have nominated for deletion are only used in Knowledge (XXG). We should not go around and "invent" ship classes just because ship classes are generally named after the first ship of a series. For example,

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When we say "convention", does that mean a rule that's explicitly documented in a reliable source, or a pattern that has been discerned by en.wikipedia editors? Evidence of real-world usage should always overrule the latter.

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proper names ;) The reason there's confusion is in part because "the" makes sense with American ships (since it would be "the United States' Ship XXXX"), but it doesn't with others (such as "the His/Her Majesty's Ship XXXX).

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redirects are created for all other names (with and without shipprefixes) so people can find the article in question. This may mean the need to create dab and shipindex pages to cater for different ship with the same name.

3899:. One or more editors have proposed a change to the Manual of Style which would require the use of the gender-neutral pronoun "it" when referring to vessels. Please take the time to express your opinion on this matter. 5686:

Time is coming to an end for me with this residency. More uploads from pieces described above in Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums 450/1 have been made. This means a total of 9 scans from this volume to be found in

5133:. Obviously we couldn't use a fair-use image of a current vessel unless it shows that vessel before modification which materially alter its appearance; but a good case can generally be made for vessels lost or scrapped. 5349:

What all this boils down to in the end is, what does the prefix HMS stand for on English-language Knowledge (XXG)? Does it stand for "Her/His Majesty's Ship" (English language prefix - used for Royal Navy vessels) or

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This said, for practical reasons, since the {{HSwMS}}-template doesn't work if there are no articles using the prefix, it would be most welcome to move said article - and those similar - to a more suitable title.

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1. What's that got to do with anything? 2. 19th century terminology (of any country) matters not. It's important to avoid confusion between the numerous British and Swedish warship that share the same name.

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templates can accommodate the name change. Just as we overcame some amount of stiction and have finally got most class article names hyphenated, so too we can transition to a uniform disambiguation format.

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I agree with you. In the particular example I had in mind I was able to get an acceptable level of accuracy in the conversion simply by adding a decimal point after the 600 in the conversion template

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Has anyone considered how Swedish women feel about those expensive toys purchased by their tax money so the king's son can skim the waves of the Baltic Sea in pursuit of a lady of noble birth to wed?

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Here's a topic box that may only amuse me. Only four articles to improve and a short list has to be written to finish it off. Perhaps this might influence somebody's choice of articles to improve:

138:, contains a new section on construction of a replica of that famous ship. From the photographs uploaded already, construction seems to be well along. I have started a discussion on the talk page, 3623:

note being subsumed by relatively obscure or brief naval service, whether commissioned or not, probably lies with the fact the Navy does public domain historical sketches in now readily available

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creating or changing section headings, and editing simple bulleted lists. It currently can't either add or remove templates (like fact tags), ref tags, images, categories, or tables (and it will

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I am feeling my way into this residency. A curator blogged about HMS P23 and using that and some other sources I was able to input a good number of inline references and other changes into

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A source has been added by an ip but no evidence it is public domain; probably can't be justified under non-free images policy since it is not the subject of the article where it is used.

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but had difficulty finding a photo of the ship with a clear copyright waiver. Please will you help? I have copied a photo of the ship from a body of 5,141 Merchant Navy photographs called

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family of templates wouldn't be able to accommodate that kind of disambiguation but that otherwise I liked the idea. No other objections were raised. I still like the idea and now, the

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Many of the Commonwealth states have contemplated replacing the Queen with an elected head of state. Until they do so, should we not remain a NPOV and change the prefix to ES (i.e.

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To me, "steamboats" are smaller and only inland (not seagoing). Conversely for "steamships". To cover both, suggest "steamers"? But perhaps general Canadian usage should prevail.

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Have replaced some of the WikiSwire refs with other sources. Just noticed that Plimsoll seems to be back (though still with some blank pages), but have not taken that into account.

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know.....Lower Fraser and other particular articles are in teh works, I've been "busy" on some CfDs that have wasted a lot of my valuable time........and should it be a subcat of

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I note this enquiry about Krasin. I have done a quick search of the Tyne Wear Archives catalogue on both names and nothing shows which translates into nothing catalogued as yet.

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Is there any chance of mistaking a British warship with a Swedish naval vessel? The last major maritime incident involving a Swedish Man-of-War I recall was the sinking of the

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Then change the navboxes so that instead of being headed 'Foo-class cruiseferries', they start '"Foo type" cruiseferries'. The fact that the ships in question are sister ships

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yard, but also the Tees yard of Laing and Thompson. What's more - the continuation of the grey tint to the present implies they are still in shipbuilding, which they are not.

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pages, pre-December 2012. Thanks go to Nigel Ish for being so patient with him against strong provocation, and to Benea for offering some good and entirely unheeded advice.

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the Swedish ships we've got articles on, used the HSwMS prefix. If more ships have been moved back to HMS, then that has happened without any form of discussion. I'm moving

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I fixed the syntax so it now rounds as it does in the source given for the original figure. I am right to assume the 12 cm (4.72 in) difference in elevation is acceptable?

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already state that 'An article about a ship that changed name or nationality should be placed at the best-known name, with a redirect from the other name'. This fits with

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Well. "steamboat" should function as the general container category, I think, since for the general population, ships are a type of boat. (or perhaps, steam vessel?) --

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has discussed at some length with myself issues that were present in the vessel's Knowledge (XXG) article when the residency started. These hang around the location of

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which basically says that the ship happened to be in the Suez Canal at the start of World War I, was seized by the British, and was renamed Huntsend. Hope that helps.

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Ok, thanks a lot. Never really thought about the RMS/USS difference factoring into it either, but I guess they stop meaning anything other than abbreviations to me :)

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is designed to let people edit without needing to learn wikitext syntax. The articles will look (nearly) the same in the new edit "window" as when you read them (aka

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The footnote seems sensible enough, although removing the HMS prefix from the text of those articles is probably a better idea. It's a bit of work, but necessary.

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I'm a bit confused because I can find what looks like a German-language article on this ship, but it doesn't mention anything about it being captured, etc. Here:

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is missing an entry. Help from American naval history experts needed. Please direct all comments to Pulaski's article for a centralized discussion. Thank you, --

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The setting ought to be considered and picked with care in each case but in my experience is generally fairly good out of the box. For your example with USS

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There is a new Manual of Style talk page discussion that questions the practice of referring to commercial and naval vessels as "she" and "her" taking place

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On the subject of conventions, I don't think there are more than one in play here. Ship names with the definite article are not unheard of; I can think of

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and the definite article is not used. In the second, the subject is the idyll that the ship is experiencing, and the definite article is used. Similarly in

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Am I correct in my supposition? I looked a a random sampling of ship articles in this project's naming guidelines and saw it used somewhat inconsistently.

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lists both Gangplank and Gangway, the latter as "An opening in the bulwark of the ship to allow passengers to board or leave the ship." which is not what

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the article says "some 150 nm" which implies anything from 145 to 155 nm. Rounding to the nearest 10 statute miles seems very reasonable in that case.

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is now up and running. A chance to get some ship articles improved. If a ship article is C class or lower, it may be nominated for appearing on TAFI.

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are little more than thumbnail size. Is there any chance of getting the Archives to release higher-quality images? If it helps, they will be used in

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Are there any ship classes that use both ship-type disambiguation and class-name disambiguation? Does anyone know of a group of classes, like the

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The major article expansion is likely done. More referencing and some structural edits are likely required. Come visit and see what you think.

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I don't use "the" with ship names, as it just seems like an extra word that doesn't have to be there, but I do occasionally use it in front of

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Just to inform you, I have converted all mainspace transclusions of the following shipping-related database or registry citation templates to

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site has gone down. If any fellow-contributor can tell me an alternative online source of 1930–45 Lloyd's Registers I would be most grateful!

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is the subject and doesn't use the definite article. In the case of this article title, the grammatical subject is the 'sinking'. The RMS

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I was looking to create an article for this captured German steamer which was renamed to Huntsend. The ship is mentioned in this article

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David: Thanks for chipping in: The pictures you turned up are fairly persuasive; how did you find them? I hadn’t thought it was possible.

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There often is a problem with the naval or military name being given undue preeminence. The root of the problem with commercial ships of

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Would I be right to think that hitherto Knowledge (XXG) had little to say about Charles John de Lacy? I have tried to change that with

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seems to be down at the moment. I have tried from two computers in different places to check that the problem is not with my computer.

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That is pretty much the issue; sources like Conway's 1922-46, Jane’s (AFAICT) Whitley (for destroyers) Bagnasco (for submarines) list

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From the experience with a number of similarly 'loaded' discussions here and elswhere, I can't help asking myself several questions:

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In this case there are 3 independent images on Commons, 2 of the ship on fire (one as 2 versions) and one of the wreck on the beach.

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of the page). See what works and what doesn't. We really need people who will try this out on 10 or 15 pages and then leave a note

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In this case, there is no discussion as the nomination is a no source speedy. The link to the image page is the best available link.

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article was moved, to "Melpoméne-class..." (ie. without the definite article), and names of a dozen or so ships listed on that page

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Do we have an established fair-use rationale or template for historical ships? I am surprised I can't find such on a quick search.

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Isn't it done that way because the ship articles use adjetival nation forms? ("French ship XYZ", instead of "XYZ (France)" ) --

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with a bit of tweaking up. If no SS, or other prefix, California Star exists, then perhaps it could move to MV California Star.

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responsibility to follow conventions, that doesn't mean we should knowingly repeat false information (i.e., that the ship had

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is verifiability. As far as that goes, all the sources on these pages say these ships names had the definite article in them.

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and then there are the A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, J, and I don't know how many other -class submarines most of which are styled

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has another one that's been commented out (probably because it's not a shipindex, and therefore doesn't support redlinks) --

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old editor will still be available and, in fact, the old edit window will be the only option for talk pages (I believe that

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to be about the ship, separate from the incident article. A summary of the incident can appear at the new ship article. --

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I seem to have neglected to mention it here. The parenthetical class-name disambiguation feature is live and available in

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about their experiences, especially if something mission-critical isn't working and doesn't seem to be on anyone's radar.

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Also, I propose expanding the scope of the tool from cruise ships to passenger ships in general and not just articles in

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Otherwise, the ship's name was treated like, well, any proper noun and didn't need it--you wouldn't say "the David", so

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should display the parenthetical disambiguator, though it might not be worth the effort. It's probably easier to type

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There's vary rarely any need to have the disambiguator visible; the template just needs to link to the proper class.--

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with dates falling within copyrightable periods and under copyright. Looks as if copyright issues could be a problem.

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to read what I have managed to find out about its copyright. I would be grateful for any help in interpreting whether

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then search for Minas Gereas 1 DF.CLR/8 Series Photographs of the Brazilian battleship 'Minas Geraes' 1908 - 1909

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So while I don't think there is anything hard and fast, you wouldn't be wrong to use 'the' before a ship's name. "

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which fields. Obviously, the screenshots and instructions for basic editing will need to be completely updated.

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So, what does anyone else think? Does anybody know the truth of it? And what should we be doing in these cases?

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are fully protected, I can't synchronize them with their sandboxes. An edit request for those two is pending at

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can be interpreted as complying with one of the various categories of copyright waivers that Wikimedia accepts.

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Bob: What internal norms? The Swedish military uses HSwMS in non-local circumstances, that's pretty clear-cut.

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http://www.marineinsight.com/sports-luxury/equipment/gangway-and-types-of-gangways-used-in-the-shipping-world/

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I'm sure Andrew forwarded our emails to you, but I would do ten cartwheels and a handstand for the images of

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If you have questions and can't find a better place to ask them, then please feel free to leave a message on

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you will read about the Forsythe Wherry Yard. That was my upbringing, many years later I was curator to the

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should be working as they were and do not support class-name disambiguation – that will require an admin.

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coverage at all. We do however have a couple of active Finns, so it's not all bleak in the Nordic region.

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currently expect to deploy the VisualEditor as the new site-wide default editing system in early July 2013

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by Dimitri Debadov, used in several articles. I added author and his dates but may not be public domain.

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Given that it's not used and there's a better photo in Commons, probably best to let this one be nuked. -

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F E W Coller, OBE, shipyard manager, Sir W.G. Armstrong Whitworth & Co. Ltd Collection 1911 - 1924

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from the German. Please check I have the terminology correct, add an infobox, and rate on the talk page.

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The developers are asking editors like you to join the alpha testing for the VisualEditor. Please go to

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RFC on bot run to identify "start date" as NRHP-listed "built date" in all articles having NRHP infoboxes

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s, it would be better to use the noun form of the country (so Great Britain rather than British, etc.).

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It would be nice if UK-RN ships were also called HBMS as 19th-century US terminology would have it. --

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it when people saturate articles with MS, MV etc. and start fighting about which one is the right one.

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_more editors_ would like to have a pick over one or more we might get a bit of variety in the prose.

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It would be a big help if a link to the specific discussion were provided for each of these notices.

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Palmers of Jarrow brochure. As I am allowed I will will be uploading to Wiki Commons also as TWAMWIR.

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year or two as a naval transport or hospital ship, but the article is named after her military name.

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Surprised to find how wrong de:SD18 is on basic data, eg engines, derricks. Have corrected en only.

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capable of class-name disambiguation as described above. That revealed a flaw in the code that the

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but was surprised that it didn't match my layman's interpretation of that title (which is nearer to

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and now for a while there is this chance to work on the Tyne Wear Archives and Museums material as

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Where should requests be posted? At the userpage for the Resident (as I just did), or elsewhere?

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digitisation of some material from the photo library (we have a tranche of material from flickr at

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I have posted some broad suggestions on notability criteria for transportation related articles at

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It would be so easy to accommodate the Porpoise classes if they used parenthetical disambiguation

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http://www.awiatsea.com/Privateers/W/Wasp%20South%20Carolina%20Brig%20%5BBulfinch%20Ferrer%5D.html

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has eight entries. Is this enough to merit a change to, say CXVIGS (i.e. Carl XVI Gustaf's Ship)?

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Your comments about dictionaries being arranged alphabetically as an explanation makes sense.

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was never part of British Shipbuilders (indeed, competition was sometimes bitter between them)

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THREE photographs from the collection referred to above DF. CLR/8 are now on Wiki Commons at

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Whitworth & Co. Ltd, yard no. 791. Format 24 postcards, 6 photographs, black and white

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We're thinking about approaches for suitable projects for him to work on. Some ideas so far:

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who hasn't been around for a while. The anonymous editor merely added to/tinkered with it. —

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and another I saw on the most recent addition, sorry can't remember it just now......and re

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as their prefix in international contexts, I think the answer is completely self-evident.

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item 62 in that collection. Now, whether a 100+ year photo even in the special collection

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Couldn't agree more, Tupsumato (though have appended MV to the fifth one for consistency).

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do not operate the former John Brown, Denny, Inglis, Simons-Lobnitz or Barclay Curle yards

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Should we use our own internal norms on prefixes, or should we reflect what sources say?

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I certainly agree that having class articles etc. on single-ship classes is getting into

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is anonymous. If one of you know hows to add Burntisland to this chart, please will you?

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has a good photo that doesn't get deleted! I've done what I can; please can anyone help?

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and added it to the article. However, I am unsure about its copyright status. Please see

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I shall also say hello to folks. The subject is very close to my heart. If you click to

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Knowledge (XXG) talk:GLAM/Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums Wikimedian in Residence

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Sorry if this has been addressed previously but as I am going through and editing the

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gives you all the information needed to adjust rounding if you feel it is necessary.

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In the archives site click on the numbers 1,2, 3 and you will see more information.

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Here's an example of a large class article that you can use as a model if you wish:

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Also just noting that only two images have been uploaded by them, but one of them (

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currently rely on. Similarly, photos of sailors of this period would be fantastic.

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ships, it's okay, but as I've said before, we shouldn't make up ship classes here.

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helping staff/volunteers there write on individual ships (a first example is, eg,

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Dictionnaire des bâtiments de la flotte de guerre française de Colbert à nos jours

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edition appear to use the definite article in ship names - on the other hand, the

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I remember seeing); Is it worth adding it to any other Swedish warship articles?

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Any suggestions for how he can help, or specific requests, do get in touch :-)

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was his first ship..." The first it is Fisher who is the subject, and the ship

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to the prefix "HSwMS" so as "To distinguish in title from Royal Navy"; it was

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The disambiguation by nationality bit is mentioned in the naming conventions

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There are a lot more ship FACs up than usual, and all of them need reviews:

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If no SS or other prefix exists, we could also omit the prefix completely. I

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I think the bit you're looking for in the article is the following passage:

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category tonight, and that the only three subcats were about BC, so created

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to its citation. I hope to obtain and cite as much content as possible from

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a kind - and even then we sometimes get a separate article on the "class").

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OK, I've added the proposal to the talk page at WP:NCSHIPS (finally!) It's

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I'm gonna speedy that to "British Columbia"..."BC" is more widely used for

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In that list, which I've since edited for hyphenation and consistency, was

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and if editors wish to reflect and use his conclusions that would be good.

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adds "(La)" etc after some names. I do not have Roche, but Bruno Nicolas

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ships with the definite article. It is only a selection of ships (8/12 of

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I’ve raised this with the editor concerned (there’s a lengthy discussion,

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has been nominated for deletion under two different deletion processes --

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This is all very interesting but it doesn't solve the problem of ensuring

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though precisely which is not clear from the descriptions. It appears on

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So, I think that's fixed and everything should be more-or-less normal.

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was split off to remove redlinks from the disambiguation page, to build

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I would oppose moving the article, and instead suggest a new article at

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Hi, everyone. The "General Characteristics" section of the infobox at

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classes, where the class name isn't italicized? The documentation for

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I went to move the page back, but I see it's been done already. I’ve

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notable and needs its own article. I'd suggest moving the article to

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I have a shipindex hibernating at AFC, to solve the redlink problem.

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as the object is given the definite article, in the second the ship

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Wikimedian in Residence at the Tyne & Wear Archives and Museums

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ex SS Bismark). Later names can be referred to the main article. -

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would correctly handle both types of disambiguation simultaneously.

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and then it wasn't. That was me. I have made the live versions of

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I've only glanced through the discussions in the first archive of

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illustrating both parenthetical and adjectival disambiguation. --

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handles parameters that may or may not be passed to the template (

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Dictionnaire de la Flotte de Guerre Française de 1671 à nos Jours

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Hey everyone, not a big history or naval guy but when working on

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Some other cruiseferry "class" templates are also on the go, see

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There is no bar to fair-use images being used for ship articles

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is back online. In my experience this is not the first time the

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Knowledge (XXG):Requests for comment/Start date in NRHP articles

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and who the featured gentleman is. Ian Whitehead now discusses

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and its subcategories. I think we got about 50% more articles.

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Template talk:Shipindex#Use of template on disambiguation pages

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Knowledge (XXG) talk:Articles for creation/Nova Scotia (ship) ‎

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name of a ship but in these, and a few other, cases they did.

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a note gives a transcription of the volume's entire content.

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And does the prefix not suggest that all Swedes are actually

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is far more noteworthy than the six decades of inactivity as

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I hope this isn't as horrid as the thing that Wikia uses. --

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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect

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MOS: Discussion regarding the use of "she" to refer to ships

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For the moment I have relied on less verifiable sources for

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It looks like we are likely to lose the lead image for the

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Well, it looks fixed so thanks for weaving your magic. :-)

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New proposal for transportation related notability criteria

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Thanks for clearing that up; I knew I’d seen it somewhere.

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starting to construct Tyne-focused ship lists (compare to

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when complete article title links are needed than to type

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except when photography is a specified part of that duty.

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didn't catch. It had to do with how the parser function

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Graeme, thanks - and I'm glad to know it's not just me!

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Photo is easily found with a "Google" and is one listed

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Any experienced editors want to have a go at assessment?

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is the object, and is correctly referred to with 'the'.

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article hopelessly misunderstand that company's origins

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among others who have been working on these articles.

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is the English language prefix used for Dutch ships).

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Click the RefNo to see other items in this collection

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By contrast, all we've been given against this is the

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and adding information on the ship and its history. -

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Conway’s All the World’s Fighting Ships 1906 to 1922

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It is up for deletion because it has no metadata --

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and nomitated the redundant templates for deletion:

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Good, thanks. Didn't use that one but it led me to

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Edit: just read point three above... thanks Andrew!

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Commons:Category:Tyne and Wear Archives and Museums

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PS: I've informed the other editor, Rama, of this (

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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/NoCGV Ålesund

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British Columbia category: steamships or steamboats

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They fail the requirement for RS. 387:Thanks to Andrew Gray, it's now gone live at 189:The Allen Collection's statement on copyright 8: 4202:painted on the side if it actually just had 3933:Category:Steamboats of the Pacific Northwest 3928:Category:Paddle steamers of British Columbia 3537:universally known by a later name (i.e. the 4185:Well, my point was that you frequently see 2526:just noticed that something was amiss with 1684:Unfortunately, the tag is still valid. See 666:redirect, you might want to participate in 5551:to the page (somewhat in the manner of an 5375: 4660:There is as good a place as any, I guess. 4032:Ship names containing the definite article 1938:Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing 662:. Since you had some involvement with the 5278:recently and I noticed it had been moved 4913:This is going to get actively worked on. 4591:List of ships built by A. & J. Inglis 4209:By way of extension, most sources on the 3204:National Museum of the United States Navy 395:, unless someone wants to redirect it to 5993:Missed a ship and rearranged it a bit.-- 4529:I don't know how what I did worked, but 3926:....but now after adding a few, I noted 3299:, which has on the same page "...in the 2799:{{Sclass2|Porpoise|submarine|||British}} 2727:{{Sclass2|Hunt|minesweeper|3|ship|1916}} 2689:Oh, and here's another set of oddballs: 670:(if you have not already done so). -- 225:should be created to redirect to it. -- 5745:, the curator charged with the care of 5660:. Why have I done all this? Because as 5558:Also, as there’s nothing about this at 3924:Category:Steamboats of British Columbia 3507:image:Discovery by Kenneth C Madsen.jpg 3193:Style question: articles and ship names 1868:Thanks. Wasn't aware of such template. 526:Template:British Shipbuilders evolution 521:Template:British Shipbuilders evolution 319:(1964). They will need disambiguation. 6296:Problems on British Destroyer articles 5796:Major warships of Operation Crossroads 5743:Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums 5584:Adding a bit to NC-SHIPS is sensible ( 4238:does not use "La" for ship names like 3937:Category:Union Steamship Company of BC 3303:he introduced the order 'still'" and " 3174:I just created a commons category for 3003:but format code 1 could also be used). 2695:United States Porpoise-class submarine 2591:do support class-name disambiguation. 2300:family do this type of disambiguation? 613:(still in operation), and maybe others 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 18:Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject Ships 4466:). 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