1246:, and thanks for commenting. Neither one of those pages speaks directly to the situation being discussed here. RSBREAKING is written for fast-breaking current events like a natural disaster or terror attacks (hence "all details ... in real time), although it often isn't followed for those articles anyway, and NOTDIARY is about tabloid material (hence why the list item is titled "celebrity gossip and diary"). I imagine you and I can agree that a reported sports transaction is not celebrity gossip. This RfC is about how we can best note the details of a reported transaction, with explicit in-text attribution, before an official announcement.
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