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Mountain fires on the Beaverhead-Deerlodge NF in Montana are all being managed by the same IMT, yet they're not combined as a complex and have individual InciWeb pages. Why? *shrug*.
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understand now, how in the world are you supposed to make it known to other editors that you have created a page about a specific topic, so that they can come help you out in editing it? Also I would really appreciate it now if you and other people on the wildfire team could come and help to improve this page, b/c I don't think I can do all of it myself.
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Complex fire. Appears to be the largest fire currently burning in California. I'll be happy to collaborate if the article is created, but I do not have the time currently to start it myself. The subject certainly meets notability. Thanks
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is objectionable and undiscussed, and I have requested that it be reverted. It was explicitly not called the "SQF Lightning
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Should there be a section about causes in a basic structure of wildfires? There is now only mention of what sparked them (investigation), but the basic structure doesn't allow to discuss underlying causes such as poor fire management and climate change. Much of their scientific study about wildfires
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I think the article looks pretty good, and you have nothing to apologize for. My activity on the SCU and CZU articles (I don't think I hit the LNU complex that much) is because of their personal importance to me, and the fact that I see more of them in the news than other fires (since those are the
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Central California, both last year. The multiple fires being managed under a complex are not singular, and indeed may not be physically connected at all. This is one of the quirks of wildfire management which is inconsistent and not intuitive to the average person. It may make more sense to use
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on 21 August. And I'm pretty mad now because it's been almost 2 weeks and for such a major wildfire event (probably one of the biggest in California history), only around 55 edits have been made to this page. Additionally, it's only been me stressing out and doing most of the changes. So I don't
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funny story.... I was just at that fire!! That being said, we are still working on the notability guidelines for fires but this one doesn't really meet the notability standards yet. It is just a run of the mill fire. 600 or so acres. Some campgrounds evacuated as a precaution. No loss of life or
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I see you guys have made many edits to the SCU and LNU fire pages, so I would greatly appreciate it if you all could also come and edit this page ^. It would be really nice if you can turn it into a good-quality page similar to other fire pages. Also you all should try to invite other editors
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just because I had a photo of its smoke plume, before I was aware that the project has notability guidelines. The article survived an AfD, but probably still doesn't meet the project's criteria for notability – though as a fuel-tank fire it's a big oddball with small acreage. The
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near the same location burned 10X more acres, but was arguably less significant, and still not meeting notability guidelines. So what do we do with these? Ignore them? Or is there some place to list and detail "other fires" that don't deserve their own articles?
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I tried posting at the /Article subpage that I got to somehow, but it looks like that's just a dead end so I'll repeat here. On a recent trip I got aerial shots of smoke plumes from the Moose Fire and Elmo Fire in Idaho (at least, that's what I think I got; see
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