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taken into account, and that the conflict-of-interest policy is inherently biased against females and minorities). Perhaps you concede those points as well. You have not explained why being the first female Hispanic elected to office in 1930s Arizona is not notable. You also trivialize the nationwide attention she got when she first took office as reporting on “something slightly unusual” that happened in Arizona, but your argument is conclusory and internally illogical, since, if it was only slightly unusual, it would not have been reported so widely. You also summarily dismiss “County Recorder” as an unimportant office, without explaining how you reached that conclusion, and you state that that “Political almanacs don't help the case”; I am not sure you carefully considered that the almanacs are cited to show that the office of County Recorder was important enough to be included each year. The opinion letters from the state Attorney General are also intended as evidence of the importance of her office. You summarily dismiss the citation to Find-a-Grave, but I am not sure that you saw that the citation is to primary evidence (a copy of her baptismal certificate), showing that she was born in Mexico, to substantiate that she was Hispanic, since she did not have a Hispanic sounding name when she was elected. You adamantly insist in no uncertain terms that she is not notable, but I received earlier comments from editors who suggested that she might be notable. Is it possible to request that your colleagues be polled for consensus on this point?
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man, it still would have been declined as not enough. Yes, Knowledge (XXG) is aware of the systemic bias problem, but it's not an intentional bias that Knowledge (XXG) is actively perpetrating of its own accord by maintaining double standards — it's an accidental by-product of the fact that until very recently, women and people of colour were at a systemic disadvantage in
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Thank you for your reply. I made three points in my response to you. You conceded one of them (that gender bias is a recognized systemic problem at Knowledge (XXG)), and did not respond to the other two (that the historical context of women and minorities, especially female minorities, is not being
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And finally, I'm not the only editor who declined the draft — and I'm really not that interested in being held personally responsible for, or asked to answer for, everybody else's decisions too. I can speak only for myself, and am not responsible for any of the other three editors — so I'm not
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of that correspondence. And as far as any prior commenter on your draft said anything at all about her potential notability, what they said is that the sources
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