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Training College in SE Wales in September and the associated Hanover Chapel and Llanover Manse, just North of Newport and NE of Cardiff. The Chapel is a congregation of the type of UK Christian described in this fine article. All people in the UK, evidently, who separated from the Established (Anglican) Churchs, the COE and the CIW, were called "non-conformists" or even "dissenters," but they now are members of the independent churches and denominations, the small buildings of which, in Wales, are called "Chapels," as opposed the the local Anglican (COE and/or CIW in Wales) "Churches."
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I've created it with some basic information. New editors welcome! One thing I'm not sure about is if the term "conservative evangelical" is only used in the UK. I'm afraid I don't know much about it in other countries and all the content is currently UK-centric. Makes a change from the normal US bias
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so that it identifies subgroups with just enough description to tell them apart from each other. It already has some of this in it but it still needs some work, and this is not currently its emphasis. Then each subgroup (including conservative evangelicalism) could focus on its own distinctive
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to distinguish themselves from "open" and "charismatic" evangelicals... thus it's a largely theological term. A good source for this would be "Evangelicalism in
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