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Thanks for the comments. I think the controversy section now looks balanced and informative as things stand so thanks for the input. On the question of interest, it surely must be possible to edit neutrally while being interested in the subject; I have tried to do so. On the question of relevance,
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I specifically disputed the phrasing which I modified, namely the difference between "will" and "may", under the strong suspicion that "will" (implying it always happens) represents a distorting strengthening of her opinion. The second deadlink tag was my sloppy mistake. Sorry about that slight
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I stand by my attempts to even out this section of the article. Currently, it is still biased against Mrs
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Documentary link. Quick Question: is this relevant on the LCF wiki page? Strikes me that if the Evangelical Alliance response is not relevant, then neither is this. Thoughts?
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Oh dear, I am sorry for stirring up what it turns out were controversial edits. I saw what I perceived as POV writing, and tweaked some phrasing to try and clear that up. I may as well carry on discussing this though and reach a
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