MediaWiki talk:Revision-info

2235:'mw-revision-name' ).firstChild.nodeValue; var revDate = document.getElementById( 'mw-revision-date' ).firstChild.nodeValue; var box = document.getElementById( 'viewingold-warning' ); while ( box.hasChildNodes() ) { box.removeChild( box.firstChild ); } box.appendChild( document.createTextNode( 'This is the current version of the page. The most recent edit was made by ' ) ) box.appendChild( userLink( revName, 'User:' + revName ) ) box.appendChild( document.createTextNode( '( ' ) ) box.appendChild( userLink( 'Talk', 'User talk:' + revName ) ) box.appendChild( document.createTextNode( ' | ' ) ) box.appendChild( userLink( 'contribs', 'Special:Contributions/' + revName ) ) box.appendChild( document.createTextNode( ' ) on ' + revDate ) ) } } 773:

cite it, but usually by the time a reader follows that link, there have been subsequent edits. Very few people will generate the current version of an article and then start reading it...) Can we do something whereby it checks if there is a later revision and if not suppresses the note, or replaces it with "This is the most recent version of the page Revision-info, revised at " with cunning hackery, or would it require a MediaWiki patch to enable this? There must be something elegant going on in the background we could adapt, as it's able to determine the next and previous links and grey them out in inappropriate - modify this to alter the displayed text? Might be a bit beyond the immediate scope here...

1120:, the message that appears when one edits an old revision, in order to be consistent. The warning doesn't reference problems or errors, it just says that the revision may "differ significantly", an approach that seems to be preferred currently. Additionally, the info about the date of the revision and the editor is shown on a separate line since some people have found it difficult to locate this information. -- 3298: 1321:

as clear as possible and my experience shows that a significant number of people won't read the second sentence. I prefer the current 'archived version' wording for this reason (I don't see the problem with regard to talk page archives.) Of course, the ideal solution would be to have a different message come up on the current revision so our language could be both simple and accurate. --

113:. I personally like it, although it could be changed to sound less diclaimer-y. The term "archived version" is entirely appropriate for people unfamiliar with Knowledge culture and unfamiliar with the MediaWiki interface -- i.e. basically the large audience who just reads and uses, but does not contribute to, Knowledge. And that is why, arguably, the message is entirely appropriate. -- 3797: 2924: 341:

old revision of the page. It's not really an attempt at a "Knowledge content" disclaimer - having it worded so not as to sound like one would be nice - since it isn't imposed with regard to any worries about the specific content; think of it as more of an interface message from MediaWiki, to remind readers that this is not the live version.

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if (document.getElementById('mw-revision-nav') != undefined) { var ifCur = document.getElementById('mw-revision-nav').getElementsByTagName('a'); if (!(ifCur && ifCur.firstChild.nodeValue == 'Current revision')) { var revName = document.getElementById('mw-revision-name').innerHTML;

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Hmmm... I don't think we can just shunt it aside and claim "people don't do it very often", given that we have a link in the sidebar on every page dedicated to doing just that. Also, if you have to invent non-existent versions of an article in order to make your argument stick, I think there's a flaw

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Yeah, showing up on current-revision is conceptually a bit flaky, but it's hard to get around this problem - I guess if we referred to "subsequent versions" you could claim it means "any versions as yet unwritten"! (It also appears to be an edge case - people sometimes generate the current version to

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The current text says that an "archived" version of an article might contain errors -which is true, of course - and that these errors might not be present in the current version. That's also true, but it also leaves the impression that the current versions of our articles aren't as vandalism-prone as

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My point was that having to resort to copying the trailing text of a URL (and think of mobile, which also uses this message I believe) for a piece of information that is sometimes relevant to the front-end use of the site is not ideal design. I think this would gain support in a broader forum where

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Is anyone here? working on this? Maybe the developers can come up with something that makes the implementation of the notice look more clean and professional, and not show up when you are looking at the current version of the page or in edit mode. For now, we need to go back to how we had this a

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I hadn't seen the discussion over 'old version' possibly being misleading and I take the point. My problem with 'stored version' is that it doesn't suggest to the uneducated reader that it is not necessarily the current version. I appreciate that the second sentence does this, but I'd like ti to be

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My main problem was people who do not come to the old revision via the history. There was some discussion a few days ago about people vandalising pages and sending out links to the vandalised version, which we couldn't change. I want it to be clear (whether people understand how page histories work

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I strongly feel that some kind of clear, visible, message is needed; as it was, the small grey text was virtually invisible unless you knew the MediaWiki UI enough to be expecting it, and nothing else would indicate - if you've just stumbled across this page from an external link - that this was an

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I've gone ahead and been bold, making one word big and red, and adding "vandalism" to the list. While I agree with some of the concerns and points raised above, this should, at least for now, be temporary - we're having some problems with people emailing previous versions of an inaccurate page, and

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That's would be nice, but it's impossible, since the $ 1 variable comes directly from the PHP and is thus embedded in the HTML. It correlates to the user's preferences with dates. As always, we could make the text into the latter with javascript, but that seems a bit too much for merely a language

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on the history page itself. If people don't understand it, and don't find the link, it's really too bad. Now, the notice is (in my subjective opinion) verbose already, and as we discussed earlier, "old revision" is not always true. "Archived" or "stored" is technically correct, and saying anything

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In the last few months, there has been a trend for people to vandalise articles, then email large numbers of people (including members of the press) the link to that (vandalised) revision of the article, as though it was a link to the current article. We get piles of emails to OTRS from concerned

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have identified the potential abuse case where someone vandalises a page, then links to that revision. But what if someone vandalises, then links to a specific section, so that the page automatically scrolls down below the notice? I think the solution is to make the notice persistent, so that it

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Second critical flaw with the pink "archived version" box is that it displays on "current version" too. The pink box displayed when you are viewing an older version of a page also appears when you are viewing the current version (if you pick the last version from the history page), such as this

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2 ) { return; } var userLink = function( text, page ) { var linky = document.createElement( 'a' ); linky.setAttribute( 'href', wgServer + wgArticlePath.replace( '$ 1', page ) ); linky.appendChild( document.createTextNode( text ) ); return linky; } var revName = document.getElementById(

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a disclaimer. The current message fails to indicate that both the old revision and the current revision of any page may contain "vandalism, inaccuracies or errors." I think that the message should be there for the benefit of readers and users unfamiliar with the MediaWiki interface. As such, it

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Lol. Or we could just put in a bug request. Now, I haven't programmed javascript in about five years, so suddenly using innerHTML is evil. Or at least that's what AzaToth told me :) So this may be better, based on what I wrote in a sandbox somewhere else that he improved (with his knowledge of

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What happened to the second variable? I actually use that to track revisions. Of course, if we want to paint the template red, that's one thing, but removing useful functionality is another. My compromise: create a help page explaining searching through revisions, and link to it using the same

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I found myself wanting to make a link to a revision in history, and was aware of Special:Diff. It would be logical—contextually relevant—to provide the revision ID number in the text of this message so that it can be copied or referred to. It is after all a user-facing aspect of MediaWiki, if

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Currently, when I go through articles history, I often have to see how an article has improved since a certain date; but there is no easy way to do so using the existing message. (I.e. I have to insert "&diff=curr" in the address bar) Is it possible to update the message to read as follow

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The rest of us, however, also have to put up with seeing the message every time we view an old revision. You could say "well, go customize your CSS then"; however, if the interface is designed in such a way that a significant number of experienced contributors find it so annoying they have to

3214:, to be in line with how we do for other such messages. Currently both use "id=viewingold-warning". I will change them to use "id=revision-info" and "id=revision-info-current" respectively. Thus making it possible to detect and handle these messages separately, when using CSS or JavaScript. 860:

should not be "as inconspicuous as possible," but should be just as conspicuous enough to be noticed and useful and no more conspicuous than that. Is there a way other than using red text (CSS, of course) to do that? I personally like Ckat's version. Let me copy it (slightly modified) here.

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Good morning; I appreciate you are trying to improve this function, but I was just looking at a prior revision and there were three different "This is an old revision" notices at the top. Could you please settle on one design, or take this to the sandbox. It is disrupting the encyclopedia.

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By making the "this is an old, possibly vandalised, revision" notice stand out as much as possible, we hope to stop this sort of thing from happening in future. Aesthetics are a secondary concern. The primary concern is making people see it and read it before anything else on the page. -

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I've hesitated to bring this up, because it's an ugly .js hack the relies heavily on CSS and other MediaWiki elements, but am anyway, just because I don't think that it's fair to not throw the option into the open. Here may be a way to check if the revision is the current one:

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This seems to have been resolved by the devs. The MediaWiki software now shows "Current revision (diff)" below the box, and that "diff" is between the old version you are looking at, and the latest version. Since G.A.S didn't see that when he asked this, I guess it was added

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indirectly, through link mechanisms like Special:Diff, and thus to have to copy a piece of the URL is hardly ideal. (The current-revision message would be similarly altered.) As simple as adding "The revision ID is nnnnnnnn." to the end of the current text. Thoughts? ] (

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var revDate = document.getElementById('mw-revision-date').firstChild.nodeValue; document.getElementById('mw-revision-info').firstChild.innerHTML = 'This is the current version of this page. The most recent edit was made by ' + revName + ' on ' + revDate; } }

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now, and unless they know to come to a random-ass MediaWiki page, they won't know how to change it back. So, while I appreciate the backwards-compatibility, I still think it should be changed back, for everyone. And having two or three people agree with you on

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Yeah, that's a point... realistically, the current version of an article is just as likely to contain inaccuracies and errors as any other version. Yet we don't put a big disclaimer at the top of every page, because it would look stupid. Same applies here –

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I just realised that I made a mistake and used the CSS selector for CSS classes and not element IDs :( But I've fixed all the references on this page. Adding the CSS code immediately above to your custom CSS will work, I use it myself and it works fine.

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Yes, please do. At least reduce the font size back to that of normal text; (i.e. the same size as what I'm typing now) – that's quite big enough to be visible. Also, lose the lines top and bottom. The top one clashes with the line under the page title –

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appears in the linking text's context to be about URLs although it happens to cover this point, so it would not be followed by an editor, who instead would see a template and misunderstand which template revision is being viewed. I discussed this at

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The problem isn't that they might be forced to click the link, but that they might make incorrect assumptions about what it means and not click the link. Is "there's a link" really a compelling reason to use unnecessarily confusing language?

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addOnloadHook( replaceRInfo ); function replaceRInfo( ) { if ( document.getElementById( 'mw-revision-nav' ) != undefined ) { var rev_navs = document.getElementById( 'mw-revision-nav' ).getElementsByTagName( 'a' ); if( rev_navs.length :

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and replace (!(ifCur && ifCur.firstChild.nodeValue == 'Current revision')) with (!ifCur || ifCur.firstChild.nodeValue != 'Current revision'), since the latter is what I had originally. But it doesn't make a difference, really.

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It's unclear to editors viewing old revisions, at least of articles, that replacement content, such as templates and images, would not be of old contemporary revisions but are of the latest revisions. I propose adding a sentence like

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Reduce the top margin of the box to 1em. 2em is excessive and leaves a large gap above the box. Other messages that appear in the same place (protected page notice, long page notice, talk page notice) all have a 1em margin. Thanks –

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The custom CSS modification is a great idea. Let's definitely implement it (although, if possible, make the text smaller). And of course people might have no idea what "stored version" is, but that's why there's a link. Come now.

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What brought me to this conversation? It is ugly! Maybe it will work though, I've changed it again, removing duplicated information in the header, inlcuding all the extra line breaks, but left the horrific color in place :) —

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Hence my fondness for a "message box" style display - it's clearly metadata, clearly directed at the reader, and clearly prominent. Editors can, if they so wish, happily modify their CSS to not show it or to anull the effect.

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I could be wrong, but I think it was always that way. Point 1 was that you see two boxes when editing old versions (as you said), but the second point was that when using "Permanent link" you see the "archived version" box

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when you navigate to an old version the &oldid=nnnn should be right at the end of your URL already. It could be added here, and the variable for it is $ 3, but I'm not seeing how it will help over the URL text. —

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people demanding to know why we're allowing the obviously defamatory etc. material to remain in our article. Sure, we had a notice before that explained it, but people are stupid and don't read things like that.

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Not sure where the flaw is, but when I view this in Internet Explorer the box and coloring are absent. The wording is there though. It appears ok in Firefox. In Lynx both sets of messages are displayed. —

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Will get the regular version in place for us simple folk? And also possibly add a link to this MediaWiki talk page with instructions about how to achieve that effect, but... nah, it's probably not worth it.

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Also, avoid the wording "archived version". People might confuse it with talk archives, and furthermore it's completely unnecessary. If you see a page with the words "Revision as of... " followed by a date

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Qxz, please consider that using all capital letters and categorically qualifying the text as "junk" may not add significantly to the discussion but may instead serve to add unnecessary intensity to it.

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I've noticed a few people on here saying things to the effect of "ew, the red is ugly, let's make this more discreet and less noticeable". There's a reason we're trying to make it stand out.

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Exactly! And yet which is being used at the moment? Go view the source and see for yourself. I'd make an {{editprotected}} request, but... my original one is still there, so I can't really –

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here that class was not available.) This will cause a slight decrease in margins and padding in some browsers since some of them treat margins and paddings differently in tables and divs.

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as a visual cue, and to add a header saying "Old revision" in larger font so that people don't have to start reading all the details about "as edited by..." etc. to get the main message.

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Let's please revert back to how things were a few days ago. While I support improving Knowledge interface, please work out bugs and refine the implementation on a test wiki elsewhere.

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It's the IE6 shading bug, where in IE6 the background of shaded divs, etc., sometimes doesn't show up for no particularly good reason. It happens to me with the border of <pre: -->

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the top notice, because there's verbosity, then there's accuracy, then there's aesthetics, then there's simplicity, then there's... this is complicated for a stupid MediaWiki page :)

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In this version, the warning-style message can be hidden and a plain text version (just how it used to display) can be displayed instead by adding the following to one's custom CSS:

1561:. The version I've changed to will allow people who don't like the warning-style version of the message to hide it, and replace it with the "old" version, as you have mentioned. -- 1353:

The current version with the larger font/line spacing looks really terrible with Cologne Blue. Unless there is better solution, I'd revert it to the previous version. -- User:Docu

93:, it's obvious that you're viewing an old version. Finally, an argument for binning all changes to this message and going back to how it was – it's just plain wrong. Try viewing 1790:

One of the reasons I supported the CSS hack was because I was happy enough with the regular version :( Not that I'm complaining about it... but still, consensus is consensus.

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now is I'm pointing out that not only does the message look horrible, it's also using outdated markup; it should be using CSS like the rest of the interface, not <big: -->

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But is rather anoying when you spend a lot of time looking at old revsions and doesn't exactly encourage people to revert vandalism that is in the existing current version.

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We need something to differentiate the header from the rest of the mass of text on the page. Red text might be overkill, but making it larger than the rest would help. --

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I will also change the name of the ids for the "plain" versions from "id=viewingold-plain" to "id=revision-info-plain" and "id=revision-info-current-plain" respectively.

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The meaning of "stored version" is probably not clear to people unfamiliar with how page histories work. Would "old version" or something else be more understandable? --

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function" approach? In other words, once the technical details have been worked out, could we work to pick a different hue? Perhaps one which is much less abrasive? --

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In fact - why is "from Knowledge.." displayed on any page but the article namespace? Seems odd that the site would be proud to show off a bit of code or a talk page —

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In addition, I would appreciate it if you gave an example of one way people could misunderstand the text "stored revision". And also keep in mind that some people

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Hm. Actually seeing the current version in action (even with the red box), it looks okay, although I think that we can remove the $ 1 from the first paragraph.

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to be included, as inconspicuous as possible? I would also appreciate if those that advocate the longer message actually explain their reasoning for doing so.

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to see – right off into the other corner of the screen. Also, there's already a "current version" link right below this message, and there's a message in the

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is not consensus. Your change may be well-intended, as I expect it is, but it needs to go-- or at least, have wider discussion before implementation. —

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The audience for this message is casual browsers: people who have been given a link to a page and haven't a clue that it isn't the current version. --

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This is an old version of this page from $ 1. It may contain problems not present in the <a href="/{{FULLPAGENAME}}" title="{{FULLPAGENAME}}": -->

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I, for one, preferred it the way it was before (without the red box). It was pretty obvious to me that you were viewing a past version of a page. —

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I'm pleased to see finally putting the idea into practice got a debate going! For what it's worth, what I originally planned was something akin to

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people reiterate the annoying substring-of-a-URL grabbing process by which they currently have to construct something like "Special:Diff/nnnnnn".

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This is an old version of this page from $ 1. It may differ significantly from the <a href="/{{FULLPAGENAME}}" title="{{FULLPAGENAME}}": -->

2150:) just added the span ids, and I can confirm that the js code works in Firefox. Although, I'm not sure how IE deals with nodes and the DOM... 1740:

As mentioned in a couple of places above, you can hide it and replace it with the old version by adding the following to your custom CSS (see

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I frankly have absolutely no idea what is going on in these past five/six-or-so posts. My ellipses were merely an expression of confusion. --

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Ouch, using the div version caused grey text. I have found the cause, but will have to think a while how to best fix it. So we have to use

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I strongly suggest reverting back to how we had things a few days ago, until time that something is developed that does not have these two

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formatting that was there before this MediaWiki page was created. Don't be verbose. For God's sake, use variables $ 1 and $ 2. That's all.

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That way, we're not suggesting that the older version is vandalized, or has problems - it may well be the case that the older version is

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I was hoping that this text was more friendly and less obtrusive. I'm sure that I could find consensus for this opinion somewhere...

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that suggestion seems like it should be done in the software, not as something only here at enwiki. You can file a feature request

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other than a synonym of those may be simpler, but incorrect. I don't think that we should sacrifice truth for clarify. Page history

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I saw that discussion, although it sort of changed focus, so I wanted to make a new edit request to actually implement it. Thanks!

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Now I see why admins want to wheel war. And of course, that they shouldn't :) Could we please make this notice, if it absolutely

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When I go into edit mode for a previous version of a page, I see two pink boxes that are largely redundant. The other one says

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I will update the /monobook.css files for the six users that currently use these ids, thus they should not see any difference.

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How about just how it is now, but with black-colored text instead of gray. Thanks for changing it; I disliked the larger text.

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Seems too wordy, try some mock up of what the entire version you are proposing may look at and list below for comparison.. —

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This will help educate editors about how to use fancy stuff like old revision URLs while also helping to match the text at

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Of course, editors have expressed that the colour red is too conspicuous. Are there any, however, any other suggestions? --

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Drop the red text. rember if I want to reduce the chances a click through viewer will see it that is fairly trivial to do:

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this should help make it obvious to those people that this isn't the current page version. Thanks for your understanding!

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Actually it relates to the large amount of email OTRS receives in which an old revision is mistaken for the current one.

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Between the size and the font color, the original version is completely invisible to people who aren't looking for it. --

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edit) the boxes don't show up. When editing past versions, both boxes show up. Not much, if anything, has changed. —

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Make sure to add the !important (shown earlier in this section.) This will limit cascading, which is what you want.

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Because they feel the need to be 'helpful' to inexperienced users, while ignoring the needs of the rest of us :) –

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Hint: If we've reached the stage where we're discussing applying De Morgan's laws to a snippet of JavaScript in an

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around the link, and moved "the" out of the link so as to be consistent with the earlier "old revision" link. {{

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This is just to explain and document why and how I am doing this change. No action needed from anyone else.

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Making is not display while in editing screens would do that, not sure where to make that change though. —

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with plain text inside, but I never got around to putting the box in place... what do people think of this?

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are present-day revisions, not necessarily those in use at the time of this page's revision." The link to

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This is an old version of this page from 20:33, 14 March 2007. It may contain problems not present in the

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http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=MediaWiki:Revision-info&oldid=115731697&useskin=cologneblue

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I'd say this is better too. The consistency helps, and the smaller font size is much more pleasant. --

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This is an older version of this page from 20:33, 14 March 2007. It may differ significantly from the

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As a side note, I think the message is probably also due for a design revamp. It'd be good to add a

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This is an old version of this page from 20:33, 14 March 2007. It may differ significantly from the

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A lot has changed since the first edit request, so I'm moving the template. Could we merely append

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A bit big and pink, but actually better than the current version; the extra-big font looks awful –

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How about putting the message back exactly as it was – same colour, same font size – except add "

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The latest version of this messages contains a self-link in "]". It should be replaced with "".

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I like your suggestion. It's less disclaimer-y, more noticeable, and is entirely appropriate. --

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That's very helpful. I don't think it would be all that difficult for them to implement it. --

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And while I am at it: Since this is just a simple box with no image, I will change from using

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Both have been discussed above, and both were true (minus the pink part) on the old version.

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On a totally different note, shouldn't the first {{FULLPAGENAME}} be {{FULLPAGENAMEE}}? --

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Why are people implementing god stupid notices? The previous was perfectly fine. --Matthew

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upon finding this text, and I agree with Qxz. And perhaps we might want to take a look at

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The problem is that you can't see what a sandbox would look like at the top of the page.

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the archived ones. Could we find a wording that doesn't create this false impression? --

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That's all well and good in theory, but let's actually see what happens to the OTRS.

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If there were some way to combine the two boxes when doing so, it'd look better... —

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The warning-style version, which is displayed by default, is styled the same way as

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I'm sure this'll turn some heads; why not remove this text? With the message as it

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A discussion to standardise the styles for boxes of this kind has been started at

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Which is why I changed it to something nicer. It needs to stand out more though.

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I found this through looking through an archive, and then doing a text search at

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To reflect changes to the software, please replace the page with the following:

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class. But it also doesn't cause any problems to use it an extra time like this.

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Err, what is gone? All looks the same to me, unless I am missing something.

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mode. Then all the junk you've added to this message is COMPLETELY WRONG –

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Proposal: make this sticky, so that it remains as you scroll down the page

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Admonishing me for using capital letters while trying to get <big: -->

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I think that it would be great to merge the "Revision as of $ 1 by $ 2"

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It's wrapping on a 19" monitor... bigger is not necessarily better. --

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Feel free to mock up a new message below and open an edit request. —

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I used gray because it is the same color used for other subheaders -

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which I think is sufficient. The two boxes are extremely obnoxious.

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Maybe you could feed it into the #time parser function like this:

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And another thing you're forgetting, this message shows up on the

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Eww, eww, ewwwww... get rid of that long-winded message. It looks

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I should probably note at this point that if you use <big: -->

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or not) that the version they are seeing is not the current one.

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Well you could append something to the end. BTW, I just found

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to this revision, which may differ significantly from the

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of this page, dated $ 1. It may differ significantly from

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When I use this, I still see the big red bar. When I use

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The red box looks pretty bad when editing old revisons(

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Somebody please revert these changes, they look silly.

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remains at the top of your screen even as you scroll.

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Aarrgh! Who added that big red text! GET RID OF IT! –

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