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so, my apologies, and either revert or let me know so I can revert. If not, please add these parameters so we can know which ones to assume are in competent hands, and not tag for such cases, then revert the parameters you find inappropriate. Selectively transcluding leads works very well for some articles. What proportion we don't know, but it is very useful for automated updates. So far my impression is that lead section transclusion works adequately to very well for most portals, and generally provides a more informative introduction than the original in cases where the portal has been changed to use a transcluded lead from the root article, so as a default method it is a good first approach.
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be treated literally when it gets transcluded by the project banner anyway? The nested transclusion is where the problem is occurring; this template has no problems with the notes field. — AfroThundr
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