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passes images will be more and more edited, so that the file versions here and on
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Knowledge is something like an image marketplace, if you want to see if there are images you first look at the english article. This is done by dozens of Knowledge communities. So it can be estimated that en WP has a hell lot more of file moves than ohter Wikipedias, even the German one. There it takes only some days to fill a 200 image category page (while around 20% were copyed earlyer from en images). As a follow it can be estimated that there will be huge problems in future if no steps will be made to get this category cleared.
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For some of you that I've noticed removing images by hand, I've left a note on your talk page. I have a bot that was approved to remove images that are linked, specifically a) images that have a different name on commons and are linked on multiple pages on
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I recommend to delete some dozens images manuelly to get some experience what can be done via bots and what not. This bot would need some extra functions, not only "delete all images in this category". Major task: proof if there's really an image on
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Ok, I marked about 700 or more images as NowCommons in en and within 6 monthes I've seen 2 deleted images commented "deleted NowCommons". In other
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I have been adding pictures to this page after I moved them to commons for some time. Is there a plan to have a bot go through and delete images listed here? Or should admins go through and delete them? I have seen some moved images go through speedy deletion so maybe this category should be put
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If an image on the
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Someone else, not the uploader, added this strange license, I tagged it as source missing at the commons. If you encounter similar images with questionable or missing source please leave them here at en and tag the Commons version as missing source or missing copyright.
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What do you think about creating this cat and mdifying the NowCommonsThis template to add files to both the NC and the NCT cat. It should now be easier for Admins to see easy moving in NCT and standard moving procedures in NC cats.
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