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88:), but because of the idiosyncratic image sizes, the result is a rather broken layout. The size specified (300px, 400px, or whatever) seems to be ignored by the renderer. The render size seems to depend on the size and internal resolution metadata of the original image, rather than the size specified on the wiki page. The result is that a screen-sized image (bottom of page 3 in the pdf) is rendered tiny, while some images intended to be essentially thumbnails are rendered somewhat large (top of page 4). Particularly noticeable, sets of images placed side-by-side and intended for same-size rendering (pages 8, 14, 15) end up different sizes, some of them too small to see. Also, floated image pairs using the ā€œdouble imageā€ template donā€™t seem properly supported: they donā€™t float. 107:
larger in print. Iā€™m not sure thereā€™s any good automatic way to decide at what size an image would look good in a pdf ā€“ the images in the HSL & HSV article are big in the original because they are diagrams which form an essential part of the explanation in the text, while images in other articles are incidental and thumbnailed. Iā€™d be glad to add sizing notes for print in the articleā€™s wikitext if such hints could be used by the pdf rendering. Until such finer control is possible, though, the quality of a pdf created by just printing the web page with a browser is somewhat higher than that of the pdf rendered with this ā€œbooksā€ software.
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page has a link which says "Create chapter" and when the user clicks on it what he gets is just a "Title of chapter" in bold, not a link pointing to the chapter (the page called "Title of chapter"), and still he has no way to indicate that the chapter is that wikipage "Title of chapter", so that page
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Yes, but this is semantics rather than an actual problem. When you pick a book "without chapters", you'll have a level 1 (title), level 2 (subtitle, optional), and level (subchapters) 4 headers. However, since there is no level 3 headers, the level 4 header effectively acts as a level 3 header, and
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It seems that paragraphs sometimes donā€™t properly ā€œwrapā€ around images which float past a paragraph. Approximately the right thing happens on page 1, but I canā€™t explain the behavior of page 2. This especially seems to prevent mathematics (or perhaps paragraphs indented by ā€œ:ā€, common on wikipedia)
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Basically, the layout works reasonably well on the web, given the constraints of wiki layout (those different display methods are motivated by differences in the size, use, form of the images in question), but it provides a pretty decent ā€œstress testā€ of this pdf renderer, and essentially knocks it
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of chapters, this is not always true: this is the case at Wikibooks and Wikisources, where by definition we already have books, organized as groups of chapters whose title is of the form "Book/Chapter". So we should be able to make the correspondence of wikipages that are "full chapters" with the
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I suppose the main problem here is that layout considerations in writing wiki pages are designed around the expected size of type in a browser window, rather than of a printed page, and many wiki articles use images at small sizes which can easily be clicked/expanded in online use but should be
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HTML tables with explicit CSS width on the cells donā€™t seem to be properly handled (pages 19-23), and those tables seem to have some other odd rendering issues (e.g. the "1" headings at near the top right of each table are rendered lower and not bold, and many of the cells are oddly taller than
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The cquote template is broken (see page 14): given that it renders text on the web with the same size and spacing as normal body text, thereā€™s no reason for it to render text smaller in the pdf; it needs more margin on both right and left; the large decorative quotation marks are
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isn't correct, because the formating of each page should be that of chapters. So, the problem is that there is no way to say to the extension that a wikipage is a whole chapter (not a subchapter). It seems that we don't have a syntax to give the right semantic for such books.
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For instance, if some article uses favour, honour, flavour, humour, but others use favor, honor, flavor, humor, you can uniformize the style to your preferred version. However if you change the style of an article for this reason, you must return the article to its original
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readers to modify articles to a preferred version, even if it is only temporary. While the example of changing between American and British spelling is relatively innocuous, more significant changes to include desired but inappropriate content might not be so harmless. --
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Maybe a solution is to make the extension to check if there are any headers marked with ";" (level 3?) and if there is no one, just format the headers which has ":" (level 4?) as if they were marked with ";" (starting in a new page, centralized...), so that they
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If two images are floated in a row, but with a paragraph of text shorter than the height of the first image in between, the render implicitly clears before starting the paragraph after that, putting it in line with the second image (e.g. page
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usually chapters, so the titles should be centralized and with lines at top/bottom) and "Sample second chapter" usually starts in the middle of a page (instead of at the top, because the previous page isn't filled with blank
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When we try to use the book functionality for creating PDF versions of wikibooks, it's likely that each chapter will be made of exactly one wikipage of the wikibook. For example, suppose we have this book:
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suggest alternating them between left and right. Also, several methods are used to place images, some are bare files, others are thumbnailed, and others are in double/triple images templates, often with
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I don't see what's wrong with any of these. I think you misinterpret the structure. Essentially, articles are subchapters, thus articles titles are treated as sub-chapters titles. So the structure is
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over.Ā :-) The only solutions I can see are (a) writing articles without many diagrams and just accepting degraded explanatory quality, or (b) allowing some kind of customization of pdf layout. ā€“
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version of the article, regardless of the revision), so this should be discouraged. I don't think any book uses them for the moment, so we might as well remove this section.
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I said "effectively chapters", and not chapters. Also, Knowledge is not Wikibooks or Wikisources. If you think this is something that needs to be fixed, feel free to
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The indentation of a colon-indented bit of math or text is too much. Seems to be a full half inch, or about twice as much space relative to text size as on the web.
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The second case shows each title two times, alghout it solves the formating of title and each chapter now starts in a new page. But this repetition is uggly... =/
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content of the PDF's chapters, in order to get the same formatting as here. The current behaviour is confusing to the users, because when they use
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Paragraphs are justified, but no hyphenation is used, leading to unsightly rivers of whitespace (ā€œautomatic typographyā€ at its worst).
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Yeah, it's nothing easy to fix. That being said, the layout of that page is not that great either, most images are on the right, and
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Actually there are bigger problems with the use of old revisions (namely that the rendered only check for the templates used on the
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So, when we try to create the PDF using this extension, there is no way to make a nice PDF because the current options are:
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Subscripts are too far below the baseline, and superscripts too far above it; both are probably a bit too large.
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pointed out recently that this substitution, assuming it overrides protection placed on the template itself,
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from wrapping. The image on page 7 isnā€™t floated at all ā€“ perhaps because it is followed by a bulleted list?
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I'm trying to get ODF files from math articles (and books at pt.wikibooks) but the formulas are not shown:
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templates around them. It would probably look much better if images were inserted a bit more consistently.
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The nowrap template is ignored; it should prevent equations, etc. from wrapping from one line to the next.
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A couple more issues, that Iā€™ll stick here because they can be seen in that same rendered pdf.
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they are being requested to add "chapters" (pages of title "Book/Chapter") into "chapters"...
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Text paragraphs near images have some weird sizing and spacing. See for instance page 12.
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I'm pretty sure that the PDFs come in color. Why, did they come out in black and white?
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4 header effectively acts as a level 3 header, and subchapters are effectively chapters
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for a book that follows this structure. If you don't include chapters, then you have
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The extension could be more useful if it allows a way to handle this cases. Maybe
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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of the extension says that chapters are those lines which will have an ";"
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In the first situation the chapter's names are formated as if they were
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Bug: It is not possible to define a chapter to have only one wikipage
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I suggest removing the following example from the help page:
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My understanding is that (semantically) in order to have a
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That is, if a template (or infobox) was renamed, e.g. from
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Substitute templates don't appear to work with redirects.
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In both cases the resulting PDF isn't properly formated:
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Can I make a PDF file with color pictures and fonts? --
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as if they were chapters (and at Wikibooks the pages
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Image sizes are inconsistent ā†’ sometimes awful layout
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See 521:Book:Invincible class battlecruisers 481:Book:Invincible class battlecruisers 28: 376:Sample book/Sample second chapter 247:, in the PDF, the replacement of 373:Sample book/Sample first chapter 253:Template:PDF test template/Print 178:Actually some more suggestions: 33: 1: 886:I don't think that we should 846:22:14, 28 February 2010 (UTC) 767:acts like level 3 headers. 249:Template:PDF test template3 241:Template:PDF test template3 987: 822:22:26, 21 March 2010 (UTC) 777:20:49, 21 March 2010 (UTC) 744:Although the wikipages at 727:Isn't this contradictory? 699:16:52, 21 March 2010 (UTC) 647:14:33, 21 March 2010 (UTC) 601:14:07, 21 March 2010 (UTC) 560:12:35, 21 March 2010 (UTC) 534:12:04, 21 March 2010 (UTC) 507:16:04, 20 March 2010 (UTC) 454:15:16, 20 March 2010 (UTC) 359:15:49, 20 March 2010 (UTC) 335:See the above bug report. 331:13:17, 20 March 2010 (UTC) 289:15:47, 20 March 2010 (UTC) 245:Template:PDF test template 972:21:36, 6 March 2010 (UTC) 938:01:12, 3 March 2010 (UTC) 923:00:52, 3 March 2010 (UTC) 898:00:35, 3 March 2010 (UTC) 867:01:51, 1 March 2010 (UTC) 212:20:16, 2 March 2010 (UTC) 168:20:03, 2 March 2010 (UTC) 155:19:57, 2 March 2010 (UTC) 119:19:40, 2 March 2010 (UTC) 629:By the way, did you see 220:Substitute templates (2) 80:I tried making a pdf of 884: 796:create a ticket for it 879: 46:of past discussions. 746:Book:Hadronic Matter 673:Book:Hadronic Matter 469:Book:Hadronic Matter 626:is not a chapter... 395:To use this syntax: 384:To use this syntax: 955:is a security hole 403::] ;Sample first 58: 57: 52:current main page 978: 970: 968: 820: 697: 599: 505: 357: 287: 255:doesn't happen. 138: 132: 37: 36: 30: 986: 985: 981: 980: 979: 977: 976: 975: 964: 958: 948: 931:OK, thanks! 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