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Yes, but this is semantics rather than an actual problem. When you pick a book "without chapters", you'll have a level 1 (title), level 2 (subtitle, optional), and level (subchapters) 4 headers. However, since there is no level 3 headers, the level 4 header effectively acts as a level 3 header, and
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It seems that paragraphs sometimes donāt properly āwrapā around images which float past a paragraph. Approximately the right thing happens on page 1, but I canāt explain the behavior of page 2. This especially seems to prevent mathematics (or perhaps paragraphs indented by ā:ā, common on wikipedia)
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isn't correct, because the formating of each page should be that of chapters. So, the problem is that there is no way to say to the extension that a wikipage is a whole chapter (not a subchapter). It seems that we don't have a syntax to give the right semantic for such books.
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Maybe a solution is to make the extension to check if there are any headers marked with ";" (level 3?) and if there is no one, just format the headers which has ":" (level 4?) as if they were marked with ";" (starting in a new page, centralized...), so that they
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I don't see what's wrong with any of these. I think you misinterpret the structure. Essentially, articles are subchapters, thus articles titles are treated as sub-chapters titles. So the structure is
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I said "effectively chapters", and not chapters. Also, Knowledge is not
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The indentation of a colon-indented bit of math or text is too much. Seems to be a full half inch, or about twice as much space relative to text size as on the web.
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The second case shows each title two times, alghout it solves the formating of title and each chapter now starts in a new page. But this repetition is uggly... =/
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