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TRM I understand what you are saying, I just wanted to point out there is a precedent for a aviation accident article content fork. At the moment I neither agree or disagree with the proposed merge. At the moment I just came off publishing my latest ebook and am working on my next which will be out
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Please note FABRICATION and the man DIED before the IPN (Polish) Official investigation 2009. It is wrong and absurd to put someones comments that died before the official investigation that said it was still ongoing. The author who wrote this is trying to change history that it was an accident.
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Despite AL523 being heavy and possibly overloaded, this was not the contributing cause of the crash. The pilot had competently taken off and cleared the runway. The sole reason for the aircraft’s fall to earth was simply a cotton rag used by Polish saboteur
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FURTHERMORE it NOW has been verified by
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