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5010:. The reason this is stated this way is that determining this was a kidnapping is ambiguous - no ransom was demanded, the four may have been killed almost immediately, and the fact that the four included senior IRGC (coupled with IRGC's involvement in the conflict) makes qualifying the four as un-involved difficult. The Iranian regime's position is kidnapping. RSes usually use kidnapping when repeating the Iranian position, but often use vanished, disappeared, or killed (particularly following various militia accounts stating they were killed) when describing the incident itself. 3958:(please read it). We shouldn't say attribute it to "US and Israeli sources" if the citation is combining several US and Israeli sources. Think of it this way, if we allow doing that, I can write some pretty controversial things, cherry-pick two or three US websites that say that, and then attribute the controversial thing to "US sources say..", which is kind of misleading to the reader. The Washington Post article attributes this to the US State Department, and another source is from the 1199: 643: 91: 231: 2120: 1645: 425: 404: 530: 509: 2100: 2062: 2005: 1918: 1876: 1814: 1752: 1714: 1617: 1540: 1504: 268: 435: 2996:. Also, consider that the editor's comment on Ray alyoum is conditional! Regarding the your suggestion; I'm in favor of adding the material without "diplomatic cover" accompanying it. I did check the sources, that's why I pointed out to the WP:OR issue. I'm not/should not be against "well-sourced fact"s, that's why I asked you for further details. You need sources that exactly show your point. -- 1021: 3441: 1397: 1000: 540: 177: 4996: 4994: 320: 1031: 299: 32: 330: 5129:

qualified, especially when talking about contested facts. I believe the article currently does it. For statements not likely to be contested, e.g. the fact that they travelled from Damascus to Beirut, or the fact that the event is commemorated in Iran, I don't believe qualification is necessary, but I wouldn't oppose it if you want to qualify them as well.

1137: 1113: 2216: 2332:. Feel free to chime in. You still need to add the other sources and establish a more neutral viewpoint. The Iranians were not simply innocent diplomats wrongfully kidnapped (and presumably executed). Sources outside of Iran establish what those guys were doing and it needs to be reflected in the article. 3971:

For point 3: the sources are about specific events, e.g. there was an commemoration in 2013, 2014, 2015 .... "The disappearance of the abducted diplomats is commemorated in Iran and Beirut" is a general statement that is synthesized from the previous specific (not general) facts. I suggest either (1)

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What does the source exactly say? It's weird to say that "the interview verifies", usually it's a person or an institution that verifies. Besides, since whether the handing over happened is under dispute, I don't think we should use "verify", because the word assumes that the assertion is true (see

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Based on the four sources I pointed out, there appears to be more to the story. Motevaselian wasn't simply traveling through, he was there leading IRGC intervention in South Lebanon which explains why they were likely executed. That's what those four sources make out. Until the article reflects the

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POV being presented, which is not the case. On the contrary I think it's important to include to all POVs to achieve neutrality. Excluding the POV in the country most associated with the event, and relying solely on the Western (Israel, US) sources would be problematic. I agree that they should be

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but that term describes more concisely what she's saying. Do you have an alternate suggestion for how to describe what Moteveselian, a military officer in command of IRGC forces in Lebanon, was doing using a diplomatic-plated vehicle to drive from the Iranian embassy in Damascus into Lebanon? The

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You seem to be informed enough in this field as you said: "the Iranians were not simply innocent diplomats wrongfully kidnapped." I'll reflect those sources "outside of Iran establish what those guys were doing," if you could find any. The last time I expanded the article, I searched for various

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Crenshaw makes out that his assignment was military in nature (leading Iranian intervention) in an undeclared war; the fact that the Iranian government sent him in a diplomatic vehicle is diplomatic cover. That's what it is. Why was a so-called "military attache" assigned to Damascus in Lebanon?

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What I know is that we have to adhere to the reliable sources. We don't need to reflect our own understandings of the things. if sources have not explicitly said otherwise, I'm totally against adding such things. However, we can/should add that he was in command of a military unit, just how the

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Surely the POV of the Iranian regime should be presented. However, official Iranian news agencies and media sources can not be considered RS for anything beyond the Iranian regime's statements - just as we don't, generally, consider Russian sources RS. There is no freedom of the press in Iran -

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The sole reply, as I said, brings you a clear condition, i.e. "unless it's absolutely critical for GAN, and you think it will stand up there." Also, I've shown why the paper is reliable and your concern does not tarnish the reliability of the source. For the same reason we added your suggestion

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I just found out that the Ronen Bergman book provided details not mentioned in the article, especiallly pp.157-159. The author interviewed Robert Hatem, described as "chief hit man" of the Phallange and claimed to be a witness. Among others, he described the torture of the four Iranians, him

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Failing this article is an excellent choice. I have no investment in the outcome of this review beyond the fact that anything I put my name on has to be good. Perhaps you ought to consider what you think is more important: having this promoted or sticking by what I think is a weak source.

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After a long back and forth between myself and the nominator I've determined that further conversation will only serve to embitter me. This article suffers from real problems with NPOV and despite my efforts to find a reasonable compromise I find I am unable to call this a good article.

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simply to compromise and move this review forward. I'm concerned that you seem to not be reading the source material. I pointed out the sources and you didn't notice them, then I mentioned it and you didn't understand why that content is important, and now you seem to resist the term

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The article, at present, presents the Iranian POV of the events - often in an unqualified manner and relying on Iranian official news agencies and/or media sources (that due to lack of freedom of the press in Iran, can not be critical of the gvmt). The article also repeats

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is "a military expert who is attached to a diplomatic mission" and that "this post is normally filled by a high-ranking military officer who retains the commission while serving in an embassy"? Yes, we know that he was a commander. What do you want to conclude? Thanks.

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and I'm not seeing that. My concern is that Shaker Kasraee either wasn't really there or he's not a reputable journalist. I know nothing about Persian news outlets but a cursory search in Farsi didn't reveal anything showing "reliable third-party publication." However,

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doesn't impress me. (I don't trust much of what they publish, either.) If you want to substitute other sources to cover that material then go ahead. We'll wait for a second opinion, you can remove that content, or I can simply fail this nomination.

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Regarding the interview, "XX had an interview with YY..." issue, I think mentioning the dates and the Interviewer magazine is important from historical viewpoint. However, I've split up the sentence to be easier to follow. What do you think?

797: 5162:"Lack of freedom of press in Iran" should be discussed on other boards such as RSN, not here. There was already a consensus over the reliability of the sources. Add qualification(s) if it's needed. I've removed most of the mass taggings. -- 1881:

I trimmed out a small piece where it mentions the Jewish camp being a heritage site. I removed that and it's reference since the whole paragraph is really Iranian propaganda and that citation made it appear as if it were better sourced.

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Al-Monitor doesn't say kidnapped - It says disappeared (it does quote the Iranian secDef who says kidnapped). WaPo and Haaretz use kidnapped in the context of a diplomatic deal with Iran on the four. In other contexts, e.g. WaPo here -

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Rather than saying “XX had an interview with YY journalist ZZ and said so-and-so”, just say “XX said so-and-so”, unless the identity of the interviewer is crucial to the statement. This is more concise, to-the-point, and easier to

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Reduce unnecessary quotation marks, especially when you’re just using a term in a neutral manner, e.g. "turning point", "an Israel-based prisoners' aid organization", “disappeared”, "a spokesman for the Israeli Prime

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Some sentences were moved to their appropriate sections. I checked the source for the sentence "It was believed... ." It was not determined who believed that and I found it best to attribute the whole sentence to the

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witnessing the shooting of one of four and his claim that he shot Motevaselian himself. I believe incorporating these accounts to the article would go a long way to balance the strong reliance on Iranian sources.

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in the journey the diplomats were kidnapped. His narration of the events before the kidnapping is essential as a witness. 2- Ray al-Youm is an important Arabic news source, as far as I know. As you know, per

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I propose we move this to "1982 kidnapping of Iranian diplomats." As is stands now, the title can be taken in two different ways, including that this refers to Iran kidnapping diplomats. What I suggest is

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The fact that they are abducted by Phalange militia in al-Barbareh checkpoints seem to be supported by Western source (WashPo) too. Maybe cite it too to make the article less dependent on Iranian sources

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and likely was in response to the disappearance two weeks earlier of four Iranians -- two diplomats, a journalist and their driver. The four are now believed to have been killed by a Lebanese Christian

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Thanks but unfortunately you failed to show that the source is not reliable. You alleged that it's a biased source and apparently don't pay attention that reliable sources don't have to be neutral per

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Background: Add another paragraph about the perpetrator (Phalange), its relation with Israel (this is discussed in the sources including Washington Post and help explain why Israel got accused).

5148:. The allegedly planned route of the Iranian personnel should be qualified. Commemoration probably not. Stating they were held for 20 days in Adonis prison should be qualified if from a non-RS. 3169:, meaning that the paper has an editorial board. The fact that the source is referred to by other reliable sources adds weight. Besides the sources I mentioned in my previous comments, see how 3101:. As a reviewer, you are expected to explain why the source is not reliable. Your report at RSN led to a conditional response accompanied by my detailed explanation proving the reliability. -- 807: 3921:'Commemoration section': I don't know what to do with this section because per sources (which I presented earlier here) the commemoration have been done almost every year during recent years. 5405: 3549:

Thanks for the review. I'll be answering your questions and dealing with your possible suggestions. Btw, I think it would be much beneficial to take a look at the former review. Regards. --

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comment where I tried to show the reliability? Do you have things to say against them? Please read them carefully, as a reviewer. By the way, some parts of the material is republished by

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I tried to add two lines to the background regarding the Lebanon civil war, but there is not indication that Iran was an ally in the civil war. Adding more materials requires committing

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substantiates everything in that sentence including Akhavan's employment with IRNA, his attendance on the trip, and the fact that he departed from Damascus. We don't need the blog.

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I think that provides the necessary explanation while identifying a difference in point of view. Will that work for you? These are changes you should be making as the nominator.

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I think so, unless it "US and Israeli sources" is the wording of an RS. Otherwise, combining multiple source and generalizing them as "US and Israeli sources" might constitute

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mentions that the group was in a car with diplomatic plates when they were stopped. With how many Iranian sources you're using, you need every non-Iranian source you can find.

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Your repeated RSN topic opening without referring to the background and with standing on merely one opinion is not really acceptable. That would be find if you could refer to

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There are no images, yet. That's not an issue for this article to pass but it would be awesome if we had something we could include. I'll offer suggestions if I see anything.

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Regarding the commemoration I did not find sources saying that the incident is commemorated every year, but it's evident by looking at various sources. For example, see the

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apparent Iranian deception involved it doesn't cover the main points and isn't neutral enough to pass GA standards. If you need suggestions on what I would add, please ask.

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Since when do military attaches who work in embassies assist partisans in guerrilla wars? If it rankles you, I'd be fine adding the material I suggested without the phrase

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I don't think it's a good idea to add the sources' names to the article body. How about using "some US and Israeli sources" and determine the sources via a footnote? --

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I checked you're sources. Do you want me to add that Motevasselian was "in command of the 27th Brigade" or something like this? So, what? Do you know that he was a

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You have included the Motevaselian’s possible IRGC angle. I agree with you that saying “under diplomatic cover” without backing from source would be bordering OR

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thread that RSes like NY Times already use RaY as source, and the passage that reference the RaY article is explicitly attribute to RaY. I believe this is OK.

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The proposed title is unnecessarily longer, so I prefer the original. As far as I can tell the fact that they were kidnapped isn't in dispute. For example,

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I've now addressed both of your concerns. Regarding the commemoration, I could find a source explicitly saying that the commemoration is held every year. --

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the second opinion by one of the admins, suggesting a solution to the concern raised by you. So, I changed the wording, made appropriate attributions and

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sticking to listing the specific events or (2) finding a source which specifically says that it's regularly commmemorated. 04:44, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

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Sources should be discussed on the specific article talk page first, but per your response here regarding prior consensus jere, I posted this to RSN.

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I’ve read the previous GA review. The reviewer raised important points and I believe the article as it stands now have sufficiently addressed these:

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The good news is, there's no original research because the text sticks to what the sources say. The bad news is, the sources aren't very neutral.

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The linked articles to the 4 individuals contain no additional info beyond what's already here. I suggest they all be redirected to this article.

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regarding the alleged POV issues of the article. But, no special point is raised! Can you say why this article has POV issue or remove the tag?

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Can we Ignore talking about how the opposite sides of the Lebanese civil war were formed since it's marginally related to this subject? --

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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Can you find out more? It's kind of a cliffhanger to read that Israel agreed to give a report in 2006, but we have no idea what it says.

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Qureshi, Muhammad A (December 4, 2014). "Understanding the Iran-Hezbollah Nexus from the Perspective of Operational Art" (Document).

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that the material could be removed, if it was not important. The second user, who's an admin, on the basis of RSs' pointing to

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This article has a pro-Iranian bias mostly due to the heavy reliance on Iranian sources. I understand some have to be used but

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The concern with the quotation was addressed. The remaining quotes are necessary in my viewpoint. What do you think on this?

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for this relation, however, most of the sources dealing with this issue are not necessarily on the abductions and hence

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Also possibly explain how Phalange+Israel and Iran+iits allies are involved in the opposite sides of Lebanese civil war

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Those US and Israeli sources are immediately cited after the sentence. Do we need to repeat them one by one? They are

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Most of the issues with the article were resolved. However, the first reviewer raised concern over the reliability of

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Indeed, he had been chosen to lead the Iranian expeditionary force in Lebanon because of his success in crushing the

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sources to maintain the required neutrality. However, please present "those" sources, if you know them. Thanks. --

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sources say. By the way, can I know how you reached to the term "diplomatic cover" from "what she was saying." --

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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seems to indicate the Rai al-Youm source needs to go, so please remove that content with the citation as well.

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the article. Could you please bring your points here in the talk page. Otherwise, your tag seems non sensible.

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when someone is abducted and not found that is a kidnapping. Not snatched by flying saucers. No POV involved.

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instructions is implemented and there's no such thing as "verified" and "claimed" or something like them. --

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Looking much better now. In addition to unstruck comments above, and replies below, please also address the

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to my eyes, unless you can show that sources are explicitly saying that (or something like that). Thanks. --

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agrees. There has to be some balance in this article to reflect that this wasn't just a kidnapping/murder.

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Thanks for your efforts, suggestions and edits. I think there are only three unstruck comments remaining:

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I wonder why I did not notice your recent change to this page. I will address the above points ASAP. --

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I provided four sources in section 4 (WaPo, DTIC, AEI, and JCPA) six days ago. Didn't you see those?

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When first naming “Fars News Agency”, state that it is Iranian or Iran-based. Same for Press TV

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is biased but many consider it reliable because it does have some sort of editorial oversight.

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See my comments under NPOV. The reason why the Iranians were in Lebanon needs to be addressed.

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A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with

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talks about a report by Israel published in 2009. Do you think this is the promised report? --

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I have made the change as agreed. I think the sole reply at RSN agrees with my concern about

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Describe Ray al-Youm as “pan-Arabic daily” or something similar, as per NYTimes description

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I believe “Political response” should be its own section instead of a subsection of “Fate”

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that the website is described as "the Arab world’s first Huffington Post–style outlet." --

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has any editorial board or fact-checking. This is independent of the source being BIASED.

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I tried to add a line or two regarding the Israel-Phalange relations. There are concrete

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is the list of their columnists). How about keeping those supported by these sources? --

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I make an edit request to the NPOV template but there's an issue with lua modlue, see

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Can you say what POV-related points are raised there except those related to grammar?

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It's a nice suggestion. You can do it if you think the move is not controversial. --

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Failing this nomination after the energy and time put on this is not a good choice.

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http://soc.culture.lebanon.narkive.com/suQrd3qW/the-fate-of-the-4-iranian-diplomats

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I'm passing the GA now. Thank you for your work and sorry for the numerous delay.

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There's still some more unnecessary quotation marks. I'll try to reduce them too.

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Similarly for “Mohammad Fathali, Iranian Ambassador to Beirut, said that Iran”

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A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

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I consider the second point addressed. For point 1, the relevant policy is

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WaPo establishes the group was there in Lebanon under the aegis of the IRGC

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I found no material on whether the Israeli report was published or not.

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There's an disscusion at the NPOV Noticeboard that's why I tagged it.

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The origination of both Fars News and Press TV are now mentioned.

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Maybe say, "commemorated in Iran, including in 2013, 2014, ..."?

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I'm putting this on hold for you to make corrections. Meanwhile,

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I changed the word "verified" to "indicate". Does it suffice? --

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I'll be looking at the sources to ensure there's no plagiarism.

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Editing has not been brisk recently, so there's no issue here.

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As there were no objections, I went ahead and did this.

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expand acronyms like IRNA, IRGC at their first mentions

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Hey, more than a year since you suggested the move. --

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Naming "US and Israeli sources" which I dealt with in

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I have since added content to fix this, as discussed.

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