Talk:2008 Mumbai attacks/Archive 1

1684:) 14:27, 27 November 2008 (UTC) Rapid Action Force (RAF) is a riot control arm of CRPF, not a counter terrorism commando unit. They do not take part in these operations any more than providing crowd control etc. What I've been watching on TV indicates, the actual storming operations are being carried out by Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) officers of Mumbai Police, and commandos of Indian Army, NSG, and MARCOS (Naval Commandos). See the links below. RAF is simply NOT trained to carry out anti-terrorist operations - it sounds ridiculous. 4609: 4587: 4561: 4535: 4509: 4106:): "After a day of gunfire and explosions at the hotels, things are now quiet, indicating the sieges there may be ending. The fires are out and soldiers have been leading small groups of hostages and holed-up guests to safety and bringing out bodies of people killed in the attacks. Militants are still believed to be holed up inside the headquarters of an ultra-orthodox Jewish sect in Mumbai. At least three blasts were heard there overnight, but it's not clear if any hostages are being held." 4723: 4701: 4679: 4657: 4635: 4487: 4461: 31: 438: 3719:

captured by the Indian Navy. Plus the long-range ability they recently showed leaving Somalia by hundreds of km. So there are definitely some reasons to investigate pirate links. (taking hostages instead of a suicide attack for example?) But the US media is already fully on the "islamo-fascism" bandwagon, so I wondering if any others have encountered reporting on the pirate aspect of the attacks.

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number of British/American citizens. Further, a number of attack locations such as Vile Parle and CST do not appear to be necessarily locations where a large proportion of foreign citizens live, making the attack appear to target widespread mayhem and chaos. I'm adding a cite needed tag to the statement in the lead, and if no-one opposes this idea, I'll remove/rephrase.

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While adding unsubstantiated numbers to the table is unnecessary, there are a lot of links to statements from gov't officials confirming more injuries/deaths than are shown. Maybe a third column for "unaccounted for" -- which could include the 2nd Australian eyewitnesses say was shot in the head but

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I'm watching CNN right now, and it's being cited as the "Mumbai Massacre". I too was confused by the article's title. Were there any other major attacks in Mumbai this year that got this much notoriety? Forget just November, naming the article "2008 Mumbai attacks" may be sufficient, especially since

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As I said above, IMO, "terrorist is a vague word which doesn't seem to add much precision nor is further precision necessary". I haven't seen any arguments so far about why adding that word isn't unnecessary precision. However, I think the matter deserves its own move discussion. I really started

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The hotel was originally called the Oberoi hotel. It was changed to the Hilton Towers in 2004 and was again changed to the Trident Towers in 2007. They are all the same hotel, however it is KNOWN as and called the Oberoi (even though its an old name) because the Oberoi chain is one of the biggest in

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Could someone update the factbox at the top - I have no clue how to do it - The terrorists in the Oberoi hotel have announced they want the Mujahaden political prisoners held in India to be released they have also released their number (7 in that hotel) and that prisoners will not be released until

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ridiculous: attack, policedeployment doesn't make every football match a battle. Obsession with warterminology, try to at least be realist if not de-escalate stuf. terming it battle diagnoses you with accute encyclopedian war on terror psychosis, don't do that to us pls. pay attention to the indian

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The language that we use in the introduction uses the phrase "due to the apparent targeting of British and American citizens, ..." Are we comfortable making that assertion, given that there is no citation for the statement and that the number of Indian citizens injured/killed vastly outnumbers the

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I removed the section. It takes up a huge and disproportionate part of the article and tells us nothing. All the responses are the same templated responses that press spokespeople give in reaction to all terrorist attacks. If a country supports the attacks then of course add it to the article, but

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I just wanted to say, the alacrity, clarity and concision with which information is being presented on this wiki page has been quite remarkable. You seem to have frequently surpassed the capabilities of the mainstream (cable news) media in gathering, confirming (citing), and presenting details of

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is giving a death toll of more than 280 which is way higher than the 125 currently acknowledged by CNN, etc. NDTV is one of the major media outlets in India, so I've added it to the section on casualties. I have not - and do not suggest - that the death toll figures be raised in any of the charts

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Hungarian MEP Bela Glattfelder talked to nol.hu a Hungarian news portal earlier today. He said both him and his assistant are unharmed. Earlier reports told his Assistant Levente Csaszi got shot. Actually he only went to seek refuge in a hospital, that's why he was thought to be injured. Later he

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Maybe after investigations conclude and final reports are made but right now you can't question the strength of the security forces without answering them in an article. People can read, they can see that this was a major attack. I agree with Kiz, people can read and see it was a major attack, no

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side of the story. there are indications several party's agree some political action for demands that are also the attackers must be taken. Allthough it is hard to find anyone to agree with the methods as the story stands, rather differently here then in other media that speak about 100 attackers.

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these new reports that the attackers came in by ship or boat is making me wonder more and more about Pirate involvement. The arabian sea has been the busiest naval combat zone in the world for several months now, and not only have they hijacked weapons shipments, but recently one pirate ship was

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Every time any incident of importance occurs we get whole reams of information that "X country condemns the attacks", or "X country feels sorrow for the victims" These do not add anything of value to the article. Only the reaction of India and any nations also involved in the situation should be

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attacks, one can ascertain that it involved armed militia emerging from within the city and taking control, as opposed to an all-out assault from the outer city. However, I believe that until it can be further confirmed that these are unequivocally terrorist attacks, we should withhold such a

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AP reporting a suicide car bomb 300 yards from the US Embassy in Kabul. This could be just rumor resulting from chaos but provided it turns out to be true should it be put in a separate article or kept in this one and moving the article to a title more appropriate to the scope of the attack?

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The other "reactions" are separate articles that nobody ever visits and nobody ever edits. I don't have a problem making this reaction section into a separate article as well. The fact that the only reason given for this section is that other article have it is representative of its lack of

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We have five MEPs from "a delegation" named in the article, and an inference there were others. Do we have any idea which other MEPs were present? I can't find any list online of the members of this delegation - I can find one of the full committee, but they're probably not all going.

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International government reactions like them condemning the attacks are always added to terrorist attacks. Plus, the attacks are still going on, more people are going to condem the attacks, and the government hasn't said anything of what the government is going to change in policy.

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I was surprised to see that the order of the reactions had been changed. I added the Canadian reaction at the top, as it was alphabetically first in descending order, and now I see it was pushed down. I suggest (as an order of neutrality) we list them by order of country name.

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As a Knowledge (XXG) editor congratulations. This article under extreme time pressure has done an excellent job of providing context. I have edited article where under little time pressure where every line is bitterly fought over so you achievements here astound me.

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We do need an article on this. However the fact remains, this is wikipedia not wikinews and so this should be treated as an encylopaedic article not a news article. If people are looking for or looking to work on a breaking news article, they should go to wikinews

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So is there a valid distinction between the overall attacks being targeted at foreign nationals and the specific cases that the BBC report draws from that occurred within the Taj and the Trident where foreign nationals were preferentially selected as hostages?

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It's irrelevant whether I do or don't have the authority, whether it's my opinion or a fact, or whether it's in other terrorism attacks articles. Does it make sense or not? Is it informative of not? Does it take up a disproportionate amount of space or not?

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Although not unexpected (and honestly on the extreme short-term basis what else could legitimately be done?) it just seems a bit futile for political leaders to 'condemn' the attacks. Well.... duh. As opposed to being apathetic or supportive? </rant:

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BBC are reporting that a tower block has fallen to hostages. Also now the BBC are reporting news from reuters suggesting that one group of hostages are an Israeli family, furthermore the Police Chief and his deputy were killed on a visit to a hospital in

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General rule is to use whatever system is standard in the country in question. As India has longtime ties to the UK, it is likely DD MO YYYY as the UK uses. If it turns out India uses the US format of MO DD YYYY then the article can be moved accordingly.

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I too am skeptical of the value of such sections to the readership. If Iceland doesn't condemn the attacks, does that imply they support them? Of course not. It would be notable if some nation came out in support of the attacks, which will not happen.

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Actually the terrorist have taken hostage of a Jewish Rabbi family and they were asking for people who has US and UK passports. So their intention was to harm them. It is different incident but happened the same time. I guess all this was planned.

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The article says "Both hotels are on fire and have been surrounded and stormed by Rapid Action Forces commandos." Only heritage building of Taj is on fire - not Oberoi. According to the CNN India, Oberoi Hotel is now on fire, worse then Hotel

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Can I propose that this section be rearranged in some coherent order? Perhaps IND, UN, then the rest alphabetically? Or all alphabetically? It's a little odd to me that four other countries have their reactions listed before India itself. -

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Polish MEP, Jan Masiel, who was in Taj Mahal Hotel during an attack is SAFE AND SOUND. He is coresponding live, via a phone, to a national TV station about situation around the hotel. He left Taj Mahal unharmed and unoposed around 0:30 CET.

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First of all, why do we have to template article structure? It will creativity on here...the reactions section is disproportionately long and really adds nothing to the reader's understanding of the situation. It's tedious and

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No idea. But based on its specificity, I believe it comes directly from the hospitals. I would like to match up hospital reports with news reports from victim's families to create a list of those victims and their status.

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Deciding that the reactions are "the same templates" is your opinion and not fact. For almost every international disaster, there has been Reactions section. I suggest that the editors here return that section to the article

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We are making up the name of the event. We should be mindful of what the attacks will be called in the near future as various news sources start using common terminology. Once this happens, we shouldn't manufacture a name

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Should we create another wiki page to list the names of the confirmed victims and the names of all of the perpetrators arrested or killed? I think this would be a good idea, but I wanted to get the feedback of others first.

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the situation as they become available. This incident (and the history logs here) should be flagged and studied by someone, because between this and Twitter, it may prove to be a milestone event for crowd-sourced media.

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Good move on the rearrange. But country names as subsections would make more sense. The flags are "pretty", but not needed. I think each has substantial enough content to warrant headers of their own on that level. -

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Okey I've put the police station in the suburbe is still too vauge Napean Sea Road looks like a repeate of a report we know turned out to be false and still waiting for a slightly less bleading edge report on Nariman

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And who swapped India and America on the list? Either list all nationalities alphabetically, my numbers injured, or something. Right now it just looks silly with it all alphabetical but India/America swapped.

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I moved it out of the intro, since the Indian Navy discredited the speculation. I am seeing reports that a severed head was found aboard, however, and looking for confirmation from another source for that one.

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Not that I'm aware of. It's india so your options are islamic, hindu, sikh or marxist (yes they have some marxist rebels/bandits around somewhere). I think we can rule out the Zoroastrians. Not really their

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India has suffered a wave of bomb attacks in recent years. Most have been blamed on Islamist militants, although police have also arrested suspected Hindu extremists thought to be behind some of the attacks.

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Wikipedians are grateful for compliments, but we have to go farther. Really far. I'm trying to push this to A-class in one more day, and GA status in 2 weeks. FA is a stretch right now, but 6 mos. maybe?

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Would someone be kind enough to run a spellcheck and fix the following: co-ordinated, occured, harbour, invovled, eariler. I find the article is locked for anons, otherwise would have done it myself.

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I'm quite sure you do not have authority to dictate what reactions are relevant or not. Please put them all back. I've attempted to fix it partially but you managed to mess it up quite successfully.

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Maybe these attacks are against Israelis, out of other things. A Israeli residential building was attacked near Nariman house, and there are many Israelis in the Trident. Couldn't that be a cause?

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On the last point, well, they shot a lot of police. There is no way to tell how many are still moving around, sadly. Apprehension and casualty statistics should filter in over the next week.

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Okay, everywhere I'm reading, the injury rate is about 200 to 300 injuries reported. However, on the wiki page, I'm seeing 900. Shouldn't we say that it's guessed at about 200 to 300 injuries.

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I have taken the liberty of readding this section until a greater consensus is reached. You should all know that an international reaction section is standard practice in numerous articles (

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Can an administrator please lock this article? At least against non- and newly-registered users? I find sections appear and disappear quite frequently and find a lock would be appropriate.

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I felt that too but BBC backs up the suggestion, although I'd tend to agree the numbers don't seem to suggest it was widespread or successful if it wasa goal to weed out foreign national.

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in recent years. Most of the terror attacks have been blamed on Islamist militants, although police have also arrested suspected Hindu extremists thought to be behind some of the attacks.

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Why is the order rearranged again? The United States (alphabetically pretty much towards the end) are now mentioned as second, behind the United Nations (in fact also towards the end).

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In my experience, for breaking news events, Knowledge (XXG) articles always end up better than their Wikinews counterparts. I have a few suspicions why that is, but I'm not certain.

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Also, is there any justification for calling them Islamic attacks? Other than the unverified claim of responsibility, are there any reports which allow WP to make this claim? -

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General Discussion on Map can go here I guess. Uh, the description on the map says "Help Al Jazeera English track the attack points." Does this mean that Al Jazeera created it?

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This is so tragic. What were the security forces doing? How can gunmen with AK-47s enter the Taj Hotel? There should be a note in this article on the audacity of this attack. --

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Toned it down a bit. this is not being actively investigated. per ref, the official just did not rule it out when asked specifically. IMHO this is a wild shot in the dark.

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The intro is way too long, and at least half of what's used in the intro should be used in a section that explains the attacks. It should be only summarized in the intro.

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They don't normally release their copyrights. you could try flickr, the Knowledge (XXG) upload page has a dedicated Flickr section so yes try there. Also photobucket?

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I just put in a link to the Google News search of "Mumbai Attacks" and it looks alot better that having 5 or more random, non-labelled news links. Should they stay?

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The above comment was too early. The sentence is still incorrect and not been fixed, just moved from introduction to details section. Can some one fix it please?

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And odds are, someone'll put it up for deletion before the day is out claiming that its just news and it belongs in wikinews. Thats usually how these things work.

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What is up with the date in the title, it makes it seem as if there were 26 induvidual attacks and there were not, it should be November 26th (or just 26) 2008.--

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Not really. The news people produceing original reporting which we are then working from. The twitter feeds are containing an unreasonable amount of false rumor.

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Well first we would have to be sure there isn't another one. But people don't say September attacks on the world trade centre they include the day of the month.

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There needs to be consistency with other articles on attacks. The reaction section is important, because it shows the attack from international perspectives.

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is attributing the 900 number to hospitals, and it does seem more congruent with the number of deaths reported consistently in a shooting/bombing rampage.

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and grew from 202 kB to 205 kB for the article. We should archive this talk page in a few days so that people don't think we're trying to squelch them.

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Politicians and police have to be invloved in scuh cases. Amazing that the day hasn't even come to an end and the event is already in the encyclopedia.

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that the foreign ministry is waiting for physical evidence to confirm. Ditto on the 2nd japanese who was injured at the same time the first one died.

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Not in a current events article since we are then dirrectly competeing with the people the photo is being marketed to.01:36, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

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It might come to that. Other then Police, the Indians deployed their special forces into the area. It really depends on the scale of the attacks.

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It could provide disambiguation as to the intention and nature of the attacks. An unadorned 'Attacks' is even more vague. By describing them as

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I think 26 November 2008 Mumbai terrorist attacks is a better name. Anyone agree? Without the 'terrorist', they could be any sort of attacks. (

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Media sources are now creating full coverage links, so I added some from India, Pakistan, US and UK. I also grouped the photo and video links.

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The statement was originally puted into the article as was the reference mentions it, but some user apparently changed the wording later on.--

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Well, so is CNN. My impression is that you've been doing it faster. Worth reviewing, anyways, for someone's master's thesis or something.

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Does anyone else here think there is an obvious link to these bombings and Thanksgiving in the US? Should it be mentioned in the article?

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What is becoming clear is that if the whole section is not to be removed it should be trimmed to include only the notable reactions. --

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http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/fears-of-four-australians-dead-as-commandos-storm-luxury-hotels-inmumbai/2008/11/28/1227491767403.html

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this one to discuss whether something like "26/27 November 2008", just "2008" or even the existing name is preferable to my proposal. —

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In the internet age you can literally have an encyclopedia article on the subject in less that 5 minutes of the event taking place. --

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Since it's locked, can someone edit `were seen holding up inside the CST station' to `were seen holing up inside the CST station'.

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Terrorist is a vague word which doesn't seem to add much precision nor is further precision necessary. However as stated above in

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The title probably needs a change at this point, if only because it's no longer an attack that has solely taken place on the 26th.

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It's supposed to a bit more than 100 at the moment, but we don't know what's going on in those hotels, and who got killed in them.

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Yeah. But Times of India is the only news organization I've seen that have reported 900 injured. Even IBN is saying less then 200.

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It's possible. 9/11 occured on the 60th birthday of the construction of the Pentagon. Something similar could be going on here.

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and I found it myself, at least one on google news from the times of india. I will login and add to the appropriate section.

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In all seriousness though, does anyone have further info on government reactions that deal with how this affects policies?

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http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.2471334.0.British_tycoon_was_on_phone_to_BBC_just_minutes_before_death.php

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This talk page is terribly long. Anyone think it needs an archive, or is there a set number of comments that require this?

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I wondered about the date too. Surely "November 2008 Mumbai Hotel attacks" would be a title free of potential confusion?

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until things are confirmed by multiple media/officials. But it's of interest to show how the numbers are fluctatating.

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I take back my words. Canadians were held hostages. Your proposal is great, but I still think UN should be at the top.

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Where is "South Mumbai Police Headquarters" can find Mumbai Police Headquarters a little to the north of Cama Hospital.

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Nariman House now included but the suburbe is still vague and the lack of followup on Napean Sea Road suggests flase.

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But can't we use the smoke and fire from the Taj Mahal hotel under the "irrepeatable historic event" exception?

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I updated the German death from "on route to hotel" to "on route to hospital", according to the German news at

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I agree with Marlinette, I don't think any news source will cite it as the "26 November 2008 Mumbai attacks"--

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I agree that this section is stupid. Who gives a fuck what the Cyprus foreign minister has to say about this.

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The google map is nothing to do with us. Knowledge (XXG)'s map is based off open streetmaps and news reports.

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http://www.newsvirginian.com/wnv/news/local/article/2_nelson_residents_among_missing_in_india_attacks/32000/

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NB: I will move this an hour from my proposal of the move (as it has already been suggested this morning by

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Yes, casualties *will* be a major part of the article, although the page you link to isn't loading for me.--

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Agree that the reaction section is ridiculous. And what's with the flags? Gimme a break. The section is

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Pune/Police_officers_Date_Nangre-Patil_injured/articleshow/3766832.cms

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http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20081127/mumbai_canada_081127/20081127?hub=TopStories

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Uhhhh.... Some of the sources were calling it that, but it's just the main headquarters building, right?

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Good job that for the most part the only nations included are international bodies and neighbours then?

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with

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Flickr claims are false that is not a free image. Best I can tell there just arn't any at the moment.

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Haaretz says there was initally around 50-60 guys doing this. Are there other reports that disagree?

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Do I need to type slower for you? I only put Canada at the top because it was (at the time) first in

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Turns out someone else had already uploaded it to Commons already. I put it in the article already.

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Can someone who has knowledge of image copyright and license add to this following image and ?. --

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You have a rather short memory. The universal level of condemnation is a fairly recent development.

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Is it possible that BBC, CNN, Times of India release their images in the PD? Can we contact them

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3 days is too. long. It should be 3 hours for the Bot. Will someone please archive the threads?

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http://cricketnext.in.com/news/english-team-to-stay-put-in-cuttack-cl-t20-in-doubt/36001-13.html

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Is this the "October Surprise" ? And is this connected with the influx pirates off of Somolia?

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And the numbers on the main page need to be edited to reflect 4 Canadians injured (See below.)

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Or perhaps start a by-name list of those confirmed killed and another list of those involved.

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Would recommend mentioning it only in the context of a developed timeline of the days events.

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If newspeople make the logical association that "some terrorists singeled out hostages" =: -->

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There were reports on the hostage situations yesterday; I'll be looking to update those now.

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No, Canadians were not held hostages by the terrorists. So no need of putting it at the top.

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Vile Parle suburb is rather broad and do we have any confirmation on the Cama Hospital claim?

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The article states that a relative of Canadians has died... not an actual Canadian citizen

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contacted Glattfelder and the Hungarian Embassy in Delhi. They are at the French consulate.

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http://www.watoday.com.au/world/shipping-magnate-gunned-down-in-mumbai-20081128-6k9r.html

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http://www.watoday.com.au/world/shipping-magnate-gunned-down-in-mumbai-20081128-6k9r.html

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http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/nov/27/tennessee-women-injured-india-terrorist-attacks/

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They are all out of date. One Japanese man was injured, in addition to the one killed.

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http://ibnlive.in.com/news/terror-attack-in-mumbai-hotel-oberoi-under-siege/79122-3.html

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26/11? That would confuse everyone nicely, and it has a nice ring to it. Condolences...

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5grtg7aIrEOyLZJActfKfm6QE4cxAD94NIP0O0

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Sadly it is not just terrorist attacks but even hostage. Where should this be added?.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKTRE4AQ15M20081127?virtualBrandChannel=10112

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It depends on if a reliable secondary source brought forth non-coincidental evidence.

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We can report the events. What would you have us add that isn't apparent from them? --

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shot in the back of the leg, stomach and chest at the Trident hotel, died at hospital

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until then stop insulting Knowledge (XXG) readers with these lame press releases. --

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these prisoners are released. They also wish that Muslim's in India aren't harmed. (

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Agreed especially when this user : Ravenx25 is adding unverifiable information --

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India does use the DD/MO/YYYY system, so the format of the article is consistent.

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Scroll up a little, we have articles on seven bomb attacks in Mumbai since 2002.

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The times in the details section need a time zone appended to them for clarity.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Redirecting is the best policy (apart from honesty). It now redirects to here.

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attacks is too general and we need to indicate what kind of attacks. How about

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I corrected the time zone in the infobox; presumably it should be sufficient.

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If this sentence needs to be put in the article, please mention it as it is.

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Map currently includes JW Marriot, Juhu. Not sure if it should at the moment.

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And dozens of editors at that AfD will go "Wikinews, is that still going?"

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We do not allow news images of current events to be claimed under fair use.

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http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/392538/1/.html

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fell from the Taj hotel while trying to escape, died en route to hospital

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Thats what i meant. There is that long enemity between Muslims and Jews.

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Now, back to work. Unfortunately, day two has yet to finish unfolding.

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There are attacks in Kabul all the time. I doubt there is any connection.

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http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/73250/British-tycoon-dead-in-Mumbai

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Oh yeah, good point. So that means we can do it a few months from now?

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http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,24719590-5005521,00.html

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http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,24719590-5005521,00.html

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http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,24719590-5005521,00.html

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Quick scan of most recent Google News on hostages: things calming down

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86 kB is not so bad for the second day of a breaking current event.

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Sounds about right to me, based on what I've read in other sources.

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No, they were useful 5 hours ago when we had many fewer cited refs.

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a table which collects how many of them was killed or caught alive.

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http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080074206

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http://search.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/26-firing-in-cst-station.htm

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the attacks are almost assuredly going to continue into December.--

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Changed for you, but you should make an account - it's very easy.

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need to spell it out in big bold letters. It was no 9/11 though.--

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.

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The sentence needs to be changed before putting in the article.

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Are the hospitals' totals agreeing with this or the 125 figure?

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Yeah, But don't make it so bias by putting the USA up the top.

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Hindi Source for England cancelled the remaining two matches :

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International reaction to the 2007 Pakistani state of emergency

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http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p_esnE-3Z3p-HehX1YOZIaw

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http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p_esnE-3Z3p-HehX1YOZIaw

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http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p_esnE-3Z3p-HehX1YOZIaw

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http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p_esnE-3Z3p-HehX1YOZIaw

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Do we report on that too in wiki? So far, I've got some news.

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The German Socialist MEP, in the link provided, died in 1969.

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Those are no good; they're all fully copyrighted. I've found

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International reaction to the assassination of Benazir Bhutto

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is recommending this article for its detail as of today, see

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http://www.hindu.com/2008/11/28/stories/2008112861941200.htm

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http://www.hindu.com/2008/11/28/stories/2008112861941200.htm

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http://www.hindu.com/2008/11/28/stories/2008112854911900.htm

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US dates vs everyone else. India may use the british system.

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Is the Oberoi Trident hotel the same as the Oberoi Mumbai?

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http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream2

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I think I was the on who did that. Hope no hard feelings.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/vinu/sets/72157610144709049/

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India terrorist attacks leave at least 78 dead in Mumbai

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http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/27/asia/28mumbai.php

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I added Italy reaction but after it disappeared? Why? --

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http://mumbaihelp.blogspot.com/2008/11/can-we-help.html

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Any foreigners. One of the confirmed dead is Japanese.

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The following is a closed discussion of the proposal.

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I have requested this article for protection.see this

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It's become too unwieldy: move it to a seperate page.

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I removed it again per the apparent consensus here. --

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Where did the Mumbai Help Blog get this information?

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Shouldnt we combine the info on this page and on the

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

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List of victims of the November 2008 Mumbai attacks

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Okey can confirm it didn't happen removed from map.

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