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DO you have any ideas of stuff we can do before then. I'm not sure, but I think each player only needs to be internally linked once in the prose. Therefore any player who is linked in Game 1 Doesn't need it in Game 2. I would think the same goes for the recaps. Anything else we can do now?
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