651:???? I will enlighten you -- relevance means the pertinence of an item to a given subject (ask yourself, "Are these two items connected?"). You should have said, "This is clearly relevant to Group F, but is this important enough to merit inclusion in an enyclopedia?" For example, if someone added the following statement, "Group F marks the first time that the adidas Jabulani ball was used in a match between Italy and Paraguay", then one would certainly understand its relevance to this article (it is inherently connected), but one would argue for its triviality. The fact that New Zealand was eliminated in this World Cup because of a
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FIFA only says 4-3-3 based on the official registered positions of the
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I've noticed at the start of this World Cup that the tactical diagrams of teams playing three man defences (like New
Zealand today, and Mexico/Uruguay before) often seem to be neglected for 4-4-2. I remember Australia played a similar formation to New Zealand in 2006 (3-4-3/3-6-1), so couldn't their
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Zealand was the first team eliminated by the new 3-point system adopted by FIFA -- at the World Cup stage -- (and now most international and domestic competitions for soccer). So as not to avoid a continued spat, I have included the "citation needed" tag. I don't think this is necessary
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do not count as original research. I'm pretty sure that we can all look at past WC tables and add (2 points win-1 point draw) and compare that to (3 points win-1 point draw). Nevertheless, to satiate a particular user, I am bending over backwards to include the "citation needed" tag. As such, I
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Iaquinta also barely touched the ball on the wing. He was an out and out striker. I think it's better to remove the images instead of having incorrect information. Apparently FIFA doesnt mind having incorrect information, but this is an encyclopedia (a wiki, so not as high a standard, but an
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also shows NZ using 3-4-3. One other thing pointed out with the matchcast is that Fallon played in the middle of the three-pronged attack line with Smeltz on the left and Killen on the right. If PeeJay still disagrees with me, I suggest we mark this article as being in dispute.
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Why did somebody write a description of the match between
Slovakia and Italy? More importantly, it reads that the Italians abused the Slovakian goal keeper because they were losing. That sort of presumptive writing is not tolerated on wikipedia.
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Hey guys. Take a look at group E in would cup 98. Belgium played 3 draws and was eliminated. So, New
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Zealand's line-up is also wrong in their first game. They played a 5-2-3. Bertos and Lockhead are wingbacks playing wide, with Reid, Nelson, and Smith in the center of defense. Vicelich played in midfield alongside Elliott.
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diagram be used for this page? To say that New
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Slovakia's line-up is incorrect. Ĺ esták played in attack alongside Vittek. Jendrišek was on the wing, and HamšĂk played in the middle. Source:
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