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the number of times a player passes the ball to the player making the assist. It would be 'a football related stat' but also completely valueless. It would have the same issue as the assist and would have no true definition. until there is a definition of what an assist is within the rules of football (not going to happen) there should not be a table of assists on this page
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safe. Either Reading or QPR could stay up by winning their last 4 games to reach 36 points (they can't both as they have to play each other). Above them, Wigan have 31 with 5 to go and Villa have 34 with 4 to go, so one could reach 46 and the other 43 as they too have to play each other.
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When Swansea won the League Cup, Swansea was at the same position as Tottenham now. Swansea qualified to EL but could still qualify for CL (at that time), yet TQ was added. Now, Tottenham has qualified to EL but could still qualify for CL, which is the same case as Swansea last time.
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West Brom are mathematically 100% safe now: Villa could only catch them by beating Wigan, Wigan could only catch them by beating Villa. (If they draw, neither can catch West Brom.) West Brom are in the Premiership for 2013-14. Will edit the next season page to show this.
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