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We don't know how many were "thrown in the water". I doubt a life jacket would have protected anyone in the circumstances. If they had been "thrown in the water" rather than trapped, they probably would have survived. The water wasn't rough or cold and rescue craft were there within minutes.
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The article says that the ship went down quickly and passengers were thrown into the water despite an abundance of life vests. They still would have been thrown in the water if they'd been wearing a vest. Did they mean to say life boats?
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I kind of think of the fireworks as an indirect cause, so I prefer some mention of it. The point, though, is to illustrate the connection. I've changed the wording a bit so that the connection is more obvious.
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There were no life boats. It was just 100 yards form shore anyway. Exactly how people died is not yet known. I guess many were injured, trapped and drowned, so vests wouldn't have helped much.
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