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Qalamun battle's article was. The battles has many phase in syria, and between them there is a short of time while they not fighting so heavily, but still there were fights. As far as I know during the last one month the SAA worked on to gain control over all (or almost all) of the hills around Kasab. The lates news mention that they are close to their goals and only two places need to being captured before the real attack on the town could start. So the next phase could start within a few days or weeks, but sure it's will start in this summer. And I think that short after Kasab fall, the whole area will be cleaned up with the same methods as it's happened in Qalamun earlier. We will see soon.--
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