Talk:2016 Russian Defence Ministry Tupolev Tu-154 crash

430: 2392:!). This explains why the aircraft took off with a 5 m/s tailwind rather than taking off into the wind for a shorter takeoff roll. Assuming no correction factors were needed for rain or snow, then with a 5 m/s tailwind but 0.3 deg downhill, calculating from the manual pp 28-31, the takeoff distance would be around 2,500 m with 28 deg flaps or 2,300 m with 15 deg flaps. If an engine fails during takeoff, a plane will accelerate more slowly and need a longer roll to get airborne. Civilian airliners are generally operated so that, in case of a single engine failure it should always be possible either to complete the takeoff before the end of the runway (if going faster than 892: 2397:

I do not have the accurate data for this plane. A rule of thumb is that the runway must be at least 1.15 x the takeoff distance, but there are other requirements too. A safer rule of thumb is 1.5 x takeoff distance. 1.15 x 2,500 = 2,850. 1.5 x 2,300 = 3,450. So even at 15 deg flaps, it is possible that the flight would not comply with civi requirements. At 28 deg flaps, it is unlikely it complies, though it might just do so. It is almost certain that the pilots would have set 15 deg flaps, as a much safer alternative, to minimise the takeoff roll.

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damage to the refineries, the Russian military would want to supply as little fuel as possible in Syria, so would take on a full load of fuel at Sochi. That in turn explains why there were only 92 people (incl crew) on what may well be a 180 pax aircraft: it was at max takeoff weight (exactly 100 tonne) because of the heavy fuel load. I don't know the temperature in Sochi at 05.25 Xmas Day, but based on temperatures in W Europe, it was probably between 0 & 10 degC.

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one commercial airline case mentioned by the AAIB, the PNF quickly realised his error, corrected it without waiting for instruction and immediately told the PF, who reduced the rate of climb until the flaps were fully extended again, all without drama; in the other case, the PNF's error was not noticed until later, but the PF was alerted by his instrumentation that he must increase speed, so put the nose down and put the engines to

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expressing unpleasant surprise, disgruntlement or anger. "B*tch" could also be a rude manner of addressing someone. But all these are no more than speculations... I think that the only thing that can be said for sure is that the pilot was unhappy about something related to the flaps. "The flaps, damn it!" does convey the right overall meaning. So, for the lack of detailed context, such translation seems justified.

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good air) is set for 1.17 x 300 = 351 km/hr (no flaps -- it says "slats extended" but these will retract with the flaps; I don't know what the figure would be without slats either) and 265 x 1.16 = 307 km/hr (15 deg flaps, slats extended). There is an Angle of Attack Indicator alarm, aka "stall alarm" (see p 23). It doesn't say what this is set to, but according to our article

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make spatial disorientation over a dark sea more likely. The official final report will probably include the last weather update, but that may not be in any interim report, so it may be a long wait. We will have to be patient (and I'm not good at that!). (And thanks Martin for correcting my typo. I've now done likewise with one that was bugging me!)

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Oops, brainfade! While correcting it above, I've added the actual town. Also taken on board User:Igusarov's info below, and taken note that the translation of the CVR (claimed) transcript is his and therefore assumed trustworthy. Also found that takeoffs from Sochi's runways are always towards the

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is exactly 300 km/hr. Also, that (p 10) the pilot should aim to reach V2 at a remarkably precise 10.7 m above ground, and the landing gear should be retracted at 5 - 10 m and (p 12) the pilot should keep accelerating to V2 + 40 = 340 km/hr, climb to 120 m, then accelerate further to 360 - 380 km/hr

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at time of failure) or else to reject the takeoff and brake to a halt before the end of the runway. This may not be a legal requirement for a military plane carrying civilian passengers, as in this case, but it would certainly be bad practice to configure the plane to add to the risk unnecessarily.

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says this: "The latest findings allegedly come from a cockpit conversation stored on the flight's main "black box" data recorder, which was found underwater about a mile from the shore." That doesn't sound quite right to me. I've yet to see confirmation that the CVR has even been recovered, let alone

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We can't use the Russian Knowledge (XXG) article as a source here. That said, we can use sources from the Russian Knowledge (XXG) article (indeed, from any other language article) in this article. Just needs editors proficient in English and the source language to interpret those sources. I'm ru-0 so

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Finally, it is worth noting (p 23) that "Altitude loss should not be more than 650 m", so a fully-developed stall at, say, 300 m will always end in a crash; it is essential to act urgently and correctly when the stall alarm sounds, before the stall develops, and even then it might be too late -- in

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notwithstanding the manufacturer's recommendation, it is normally stated that undercarriage should be raised when the aircraft has attained a "safe" speed, and speed is increasing; that condition is arguably indicated by accelerating through V2, even if that is marginally later than the manufacturer

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p 12). This uses runway 24, which is the longest at 2890 m and 0.3 deg downhill. Unfortunately, there are steep hills close inland from the airport, necessitating landings only from, and takeoffs only to, seaward (although missed approaches are possible, with a "climbing turn, as soon as possible,

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in western Syria (if avoiding Turkish airspace) while allowing a prudent reserve to cover delays, diversions and bad weather (about 1000 km would be typical for this plane in normal peacetime conditions). It seems likely (this is the only major assumption I am making) that given the problems of war

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I'm not quite sure what kind of comment regarding that article I can render... Life.ru has described a hypothesis: a co-pilot could have retracted the flaps when ordered to retract the landing gear. Invited experts say that such mistake is technically possible (because both levers are located on the

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and a bit speculative -- but knowing it may make the next interim report/leak more interesting to read! I could not find an official manual for the Tu-154B-2 online, but there is a document intended for use with flight simulation programs, which claims to be a "simplified" version of the official

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True, but it was good to know anyway. I'd noticed that some Youtube comments refer to ATC recordings being publicly available on the internet, but I didn't know where, and had assumed it was only for USA. And thanks for translation. Yes, I'd meant to ask about cloud too. An overcast sky would

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We also note (p 15) that the min safe speed at full load without flaps is 368 km/hr. At full load, it will not-quite stall in still air (p 5) at 300 km/hr (no flaps) or 265 km/hr (15 deg flaps) and the Angle of Attack indicator (indicating how slowly it is reasonable to go for a short period in

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with the pilot fighting what he thought was an overspeed dive and never accepting that he was in a stall, in spite of continual sounding of the stall alarm (on one occasion unbroken for nearly a minute). There is no suggestion that the pilots were particularly blameworthy, but sometimes everyone

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One more point: IBTimes implicitly attributes both sentences to the same pilot. However, having read the original Life's report, I see nothing which could back up this IBTimes's point. Life.ru only says that the first sentence ("Flaps, bitch") was said by a pilot, followed by "and then a shout is

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Exactly. Weather, runway condition, taxi instructions, departure procedure, permission to take off. And then fruitless attempts to contact the crew. Information of interest: departure BINOL 2A (just google "binol 2a jeppesen" and you'll see some images), tailwind approx 5 m/s, the pilot made one

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Those are the words reported. It's a summary. Why do you see them as "a complete non-sequitur"? One might very well assume that a problem with the flaps led to the aircraft going down and ultimately crashing. You have access to the Life-ru source, so by all means suggest an improvement. Thanks.

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If it happend at sea, it's actually unclear to people unfamiliar with kilometers what kind of miles were used. And in either case it's generally stupid to state incorrect units like that. I'm pretty sure that average americans already know that a km is "about a mile, give or take something", so

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To eliminate copyright issues, I hereby release the above translation to public domain. Whether the original transcript in Russian is copyrighted is another question. Regarding the 'Altimeter!' exclamation, there's nothing in the original article that would suggest that it was electronic voice

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Unfortunately I can't give you unambiguous interpretation. This short sentence could refer to flaps malfunction (the most straightforward perception). It could refer to inappropriate actions taken by some other crew member. It could refer to his own forgetfulness. "B*tch" could be an expletive

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the normal setting is 5 - 10 knots above the stall speed. Assuming that for a fast aircraft, it would be at the top end of this range, the stall alarm is probably set to about 320 km/hr (no flaps -- possibly higher with no slats either) or 285 km/hr (15 deg flaps). : Clearly, the alarm is

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thrust; the aircraft lost height but did not crash. Both cases were in daylight, and were noticed and corrected without the speed dropping low enough for the stall warning to activate. If the pilots had not acted until the alarm had sounded, they might still have survived, or they might

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Many thanks for that, which is a real help. So we have only two cockpit warnings: the "harsh sound of alarm" (any idea what that is?) and the "Dangerous ground proximity alarm sounds" (in this a tone or a voice? in Russian?) I wonder does the actual recording appear somewhere on the net?

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Also surprised that, if the CVR has indeed been recovered, that it's been analysed so quickly, and the content leaked. So I assume that report has come from Sochi ATC. This would fit very neatly with the pilot error/ technical failure hypothesis. It wouldn't explain, of course, any flash

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simply copy+pasted content from the old page, created a new page and redirect the old page instead of performing the page move. I was attempting to perform a SWAP but WWGB continues to edit and hence I am seeking for admin help rather than getting into 3RR. Please do the needful.

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tonight described it as "the black box flight recorder" and showed what looked very much like an FDR, submerged in water, inside a container, and said it held data "on the aircraft's speed and altitude, fuel and engines." It showed it being opened at the laboratory in Moscow:

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So is there a recording available publicly of the last minutes of the flight, for which we have the transcript and translations? Without all this, mere speculation evaporates into second-hand-guesswork-speculation over something that could have been entirely fabricated.

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so far! Stall alarm seems most likely, whatever form that takes (it would be nice to know). And confirmation of the ground proximity warning would also be nice (although we won't know what clearance altitude it was set at). As you say this is all speculative

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That's the standard conversion using the convert template with 0 decimal places. Do you think 0.93 miles would be better? Defining the number of survivors as 0 is more open to question, and is indeed quite redundant if fatalities says "all".

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Also, looking at the IBT source, it seems that the CVR, which for some reason they call "the main black box", may have been the first recorder recovered, not the FDR. But still awaiting any info on what the third recorder is.

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mistake when copying frequency for Sochi-approach, the pilot requested full runway length for takeoff saying "I'm heavy". The pilot was instructed to contact "Sochi-approach" ATC at 300 m altitude, but apparently never did.

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Thanks for the translation and a fair suggestion. I have just trimmed slightly, since one of the sources is Reuters. But I have no objection if others think this whole paragraph should be removed for now. It is problematic.

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Excellent. Thanks. Unfortunately, I don't understand Russian. Was there any mention of the air temperature or the runway condition (dry/wet etc)? I could then refine the takeoff distance (though it wouldn't vary much).

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However, sources in English are highly preferred. Non-English sources are harder to verify for most English-speaking/reading editors. They should be used only when they provide information not found in English sources.

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Those two sentences are a complete non-sequitur. There's no relation between "problem with the flaps" and the pilot's quoted words. Can someone fix that? I know it's pretty much verbatim of the Reuters article, but ...

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I originally added the info, and it translated to 2 decimal places. 1.5 km is pretty much a mile, and close enough for a conversion, but I wouldn't object to a one decimal place conversion if that is desired.

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Russian wikipedia version has much more information, which is sourced. Is there any reason not to use those, seeing as others are not yet available with such in-depth information? So this article can be more

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The Life.ru news portal was reported to have obtained a recording of one of the pilot's last words, indicating a problem with the flaps. The pilot was reported to have said: "Commander, we are going down."

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The pilots could not see the flaps from the cockpit; the fact one of them mentions them suggests that they noticed that either the lever position, or an indicator, or both, were not what they expected to

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They do now, yes. So perhaps previous reporting was in error. But in fact TASS now mentions three? I guess we just have to wait. But it would be nice to know where the recording of the pilot came from.

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Translating the primary source, comments in square brackets: '85572, copy the weather for 2:00 . Runway 24, wind 30 degrees 5 meters per second, visibility over 10 , QFE 762 1016 , traction 0.7'

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exactly four words: "Закрылки, с*ка! --- Командир, падаем!", which literally translates as "Flaps, b*tch! -- Captain, falling!" That doesn't explain much, so I wouldn't jump to any conclusion...

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I downloaded the MP3. The good news is that my computer hasn't been remotely taken over by the KGB (yet). The bad news is that all 6 mins 10 secs sounds like ground chatting with female ATC?

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based on an unofficial recording, but your interpretation seems largely plausible. I think we'll just have to wait for actual official reports with the analysis? Shouldn't be too far off.

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source says, quoting several news agencies and newspapers, that: 1) the tape was found outside the third box, so it is damaged by water; 2) that emergency on board took 10 sec; 3) that

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Who translates 1.5 km to 1 mile? And if the infobox lists "survivors" as "0" then there's obviously no need to say "(all)" after "fatalities". That just seems like weird bad writing.

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Cockpit audio recording hasn't showed up anywhere yet. Radio communication between the crew and the ATC is available on LiveATC.net, IIRC as soon as a few hours after the crash.

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So the CVR was recovered, analysed and leaked by yesterday? The article should be updated if any RS could be found. I see that the flaps hypothesis has now appeared in the

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I see that the current article grew from a single line, and was expanded by different editors. I suggest that you drop this and continue with constructive contributions. —

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p.s. an accurate translation of the short exchange might be very useful here. I don't think it would result in a copyright redaction as recently happened

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heard: 'Captain, falling!'" without stating who shouted that. I wonder if the article must stick to the English source claiming it was the same person?

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Unfortunately, due to the lack of reliable secondary sources, this recording doesn't seem to get us anywhere close to contributing to the article...

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Martin, thank you for considering all suggestions and doing the difficult job of finding the right and accurate wording in a not yet clear situation!

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inhibited when the wheels are on the ground; I do not know whether it is disinhibited by lack of weight on the undercarriage or by some other means.

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What does "Flaps, b*tch!" mean? Would you prefer to use the ibtimes.co.uk source? Looking forward to your suggestion for improvement. Many thanks.

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So I would annotate the "transcript" as follows -- always remembering that it is an informal leak, for unknown motive, so might not be accurate:

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cause of fatal accident on an airliner is "highly unlikely". That's why air accidents are so rare, compared with road accidents. The

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there's no sane reason to mistranslate the amount. Saying "about a mile", or not translating it at all would both be better options.

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same control console) but highly unlikely (because those levers have different type of protection against occasional activation).

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I looked into this a few days ago, and think that mistaken retraction of the flaps may well have happened -- bear in mind that

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No, they are separate units. But outer protection cases of voice recorder and data recorder look almost the same. See here:

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This is clearly the page attracting most editing interest. It seems the above editor wants creation rights. Happy to agree!

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First suggestion looks ok to me, and less contrived. The problem with the source, and how the recording was made, remains.

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and only then start retracting the flaps, expecting that another 20 km/hr will be gained before they have fully retracted.

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All the choir except for three soloists. 68 artists and other employees of the Ensemble were onboard, mainly the choir.

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has reported on December 27 that all three recorders are found (sealed CVR, sealed FDR, non-sealed quick-access FDR).

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That's very interesting. I'm surprised, as I've only just found a BBC source that seems to confirm that it was the

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recently highlighted two cases, in Airbuses, on the same day, where flaps were retracted instead of undercarriage

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flaps if they indeed " a problem with the flaps". The ibtimes.co.uk source at least has a two-sentence quote. --

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Forum chat is that pilot error is the cause. Apparently flaps were retracted in error and the a/c stalled.

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I have no preference for the source. It would be good to have both sentences in the quote. IBTimes says

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Ah, so this is on ground at Sochi, prior to take-off? Yes, heavy with fuel to get to Syria, I guess.

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would have said '... Speed 300 (Unintelligible.)' and then, after something unintelligible from the

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Sochi is on the coast and the plane was heading out over the unlit Black Sea on a night close to

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makes mistakes, both in carrying out frequently used sequences and alternatively, when startled.

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The pilot was reported to curse at the flaps and continued with, "Commander, we are going down."

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Forum chat is that the flash has nothing to do with the crash, occurring some 30 minutes later.

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has been answered. If you need more help or have additional questions, please reapply the

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IMO, 0.7 is a good dry runway. No mention of air temperature or clouds in this recording.

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warning. It looks like an exclamation to draw attention to this particular instrument.

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analysed. Or are the FDR and CVR integrated into a single storage unit on the Tu-154??

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Since km are reported to one decimal place, so should the distance in miles. Done.

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Sources specifically mention both recorders; the analysis started and some (e. g.

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User:Igusarov's summary of the pre-takeoff radio traffic between the cockpit and

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It is a non-sequitur because I would have expected the pilot's quoted words to

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Syria, not Libya? But yes, you've won first prize for the largest lump of

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was created when the aircraft was missing and half an hour before page

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preliminary analysis of data retrieved from the cockpit voice recorder

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which seems reasonably correct based on Igurasov's writings above.

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I wonder does the actual recording appear somewhere on the net?

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We then find (p 15) that for 100 t weight and 15 deg flaps,

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I am not suggesting altering the article -- what follows is

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From a combination of the manual (p 3) and our article

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The problem has now been fixed by a history merge :) --

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I'd suggest waiting for the official report. Life.ru

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Source for "ISIS in Chechnya" claimed responsibility?

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said a technical malfunction caused the crash (from

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