Talk:Israel–Hamas war/Archive 21

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and Lebanon where they don't want a spill over from the war, they don't want more refugees and they don't want more instability particularly after the Arab spring. What I'd like to avoid is how the section was written before where it was simply a list of: country x said y, and country p said q but country u said q as well and there were protests in countries j, h and k. Because prose like that add little of real substance. We should be writing this article for how these events will be viewed as relevant in 10 years time. I'm not sure if in 10 years anyone will care about whether or not there was a protest in Tunis or Dhaka. Rather, what truly is significant about the current events?

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in Gaza date to the election of Hamas, a group whose founding charter declared the need for a global jihad to destroy Israel. Since then Israel and Egypt have imposed a partial blockade on the Gaza strip which has created wide spread poverty, destitution and salaries that are a quarter of what they are in the west bank." It would also be worth going through the Background Section as it currently stands and identifying what you feel is present in Historical Context that is missing because when I read the current Background Section, I feel it does a pretty good job covering the bases.

164: 3210:, where Landau recalled, after entering the first home and finding a dead woman, "Her stomach was ripped open, a baby was there, still connected with the cord, and stabbed." The Zaka volunteer said he saw multiple civilians, including around 20 children, who had their hands tied behind their backs before being shot and torched. "We saw some victims positioned that they were sexually abused," he added. It is interesting to see if the beheading claim could be connected to Landau. My understanding is that the 2546:? What is "outside main conflict zone"? Lesser conflict zones, other conflicts, or anything that happens anywhere and is tangentially related to the Israel-Hamas war, like demonstrations in London, stabbings in China and France? I removed the most obvious candidates for tangentially related/not germane but IMO much of that section should be deleted — no day-by-day collection of they/he/she said, a tank missile landing in Metulla (a what?) ... If and when the conflict widens we'll revisit in any case. 3721:, if considered a reliables source, verified the photos. Therefore, I propose that we review the scattered sources related to this event, remove outdated information, fix NBC/CNN misuse and consolidate them to provide a coherent picture. It also appears that the "Media reports" section in the article might not be the most suitable place to discuss this topic. We should remain impartial and quote the relevant sources in a clear and coherent manner. 292:, Tal Schneider wrote: "For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank—bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group. The idea was to prevent Abbas—or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority's West Bank government—from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state." 4178: 2444: 38: 3614:, "a senior Israeli officer said to a small group of journalists, saying such images existed but would not be shown" before "screening of an hour-long reel cobbled together from Hamas helmet cam, mobile phone video, surveillance video, dashboard camera video and victims' livestreams". I had heard about the decapitation by garden hoe elsewhere and, when googling for it, found the ABC report. We say 3861: 2296: 190:

and fired rockets into Israeli territory. This led to multiple conflicts, escalating into multiple outright wars, wreaking havoc on civilians from both sides, and a preponderance of Palestinian deaths. Despite the violence, Israeli leadership found this arrangement manageable, relying on the Iron Dome rocket defense system for defense and utilizing targeted strikes,

2937: 2777: 2089: 1437: 2759:(specifically an attached PDF) a total of 1,653 Palestinians have been injured in the West Bank, rather than the 300 sited in the article, from a source from the 13th. (The same article has different numbers for many of the things, but no other ones the fall outside of a reasonable margin for error, as far as I'm aware) 121:. The removal of the "Historical context" section was based on a very short discussion between 3 editors. Removing the work of many editors. The overall premise of shortening the article was, and is, a good idea. Return the Context section. At least the parts having to do with Gaza itself and the people who live there. 3297:, "Zaka's responsibility is to gather all the remains of the deceased, including their blood." When secondary reliable sources quote ZAKA, it indicates their trustworthiness. Per Knowledge guidelines, primary sources should be credited appropriately, so we should handle ZAKA in accordance with Knowledge's standards. 3713:, where more "forensic" eyewitnesses are identified. So we have a substantial list of named individuals who seem to be primary witnesses, as reported by credible sources like BBC and EFE in terms of policies related to reliability and verifiability. The bottom line is that Israelis maintain their claims, see 3739:

exist. Is it obvious in a photo how a small body damaged/dismembered/decapitated by explosive force or flying shrapnel resulting from explosion has had a body part so damaged? Especially with an interval of hours or days before recovery. Is it really obvious, even to an expert looking at a photo that

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Lots of false claims were initially spread by less than stellar sources, some using excerpts of ZAKA testimonies, probably out of context - that's what I mean. It's a moot point now, since there are reliable sources covering this conflict, and concerns regarding reliability have given way to those of

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If attacks in the West Bank have been attributed by reliable sources to the group, or if reliable sources report the group has claimed responsibility for attacks, please add these references to the article or make an extended-confirmed-edit request to do so. Assuming that the group is responsible for

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Seems like the smart move would be to tag the numbers in the infobox clearly as "unconfirmed." Maybe we should even think about ditching the constantly changing scorecard in the infobox and instead talk about the numbers in the article body. We could do that until we've got some solid, independently

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In your opinion, in mine it is just trying to make one side look less bad compared with the other. If it were just down to me, I would do away with the separate "lists" and only include external independent reliable sourcing covering both sides that calls or attributes an expert calling something a

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The reservist, who I would not accept as a source anyhow, said he found one baby with its head cut off, not multiple. Babies bones are made partially or entirely of soft, flexible cartilage. You would expect damage to a baby to be more severe to even a young child. And children are not babies. These

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I listened to the IDF spokesperson you linked to. The lengthy discussion was about the hospital bombing. It was interesting in that he kept saying you cannot take the word of either side in a war, but complained that the media was believing Hamas. He made one reference to beheadings relevant to this

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I would go further, and say that I don't think the claim that this is an "Arab-Israeli conflict" is currently supported by the sources. However, it may be worth having a preliminary discussion on what to name the article if Hezbollah joins, so that we have a title ready to go and thus aren't lagging

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That whole paragraph seems like fear-mongering garbage. I really wonder about the value in including every statement by some notable person who decided to give their uninformed opinion about how the latest war is totally going to escalate into World War 3. Anyway I've removed the part that was cited

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But at the same time, Palestinian territories, under the yoke of the longest occupation in modern history, have been a fuming volcano. There is no peace process. Israel has continued to build settlements in the West Bank, raising security barriers and checkpoints, limiting Palestinian movements, and

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Seems logical to include them if we are counting the border skirmishes and Israeli bombings of Syrian airports as being part of this conflict. It may make sense to spin off a separate "Casualties of the 2023 Israel–Hamas war", which would enable a more detailed discussion of how people from various

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We use the equivalent Israeli sources for dead and missing as well. But for claims that arent being accepted as fact by third party sources we attribute it as they do. See for example the material on al-Durrah Children's Hospital being hit by white phosphorous, we attribute that to the MoH of Gaza.

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says "Hamas decapitated babies", but they are not going to provide photographic evidence, because it is "disrespectful for the dead". Due to the right to privacy of the victims and their surviving relatives, I reckon. The condition of the bodies is outside of my field of interest. I am just talking

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I noted in the sections "10 October" and "Massacres, hostage taking, and allegations of genocide" that the reports of beheaded babies have not been independently confirmed. A later third sections already stated that, and the second section already had a source stating that the reports have not been

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it gives a good example of what I think we should be aiming for. I mean Hamas took over in 2007 which should be when the blockade began, so there's no need to use newspapers. And what's to say? "The Palestine Israel issues dates back to the end of British occupation, but the particular difficulties

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In 2005, Israel withdrew its troops and citizens from the Gaza Strip, aiming to lessen its direct control over the area. However, in 2007, Hamas seized control of Gaza by force, escalating tensions. Israel imposed a blockade, while Hamas tunneled under the border wall to launch cross-border attacks

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I know Hezbollah, a Lebanese organization, is skirmishing with Israeli forces and they're even included under the Belligerents section, but Lebanon itself is not involved in the war though continued attacks across the Lebanese-Israeli border will likely continue throughout the conflict, and it has

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Yes, I completely agree, but with one clarification. Some related (per cited RS) warfare/violence in West Bank or at the Israel–Lebanon border would be relevant and arguably a part of this war. But such incidents should be included to the main section, i.e. the "Events". But something in London or

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There are actually a several sources for the section, majority yes are from the Economist. It does currently state that there are protests for the Palestinians: "There have been numerous rallies in support of the Palestinians...", but it also says that feelings are complicated in places like Egypt

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in Israel to sap the Israeli pro-peace movement. So it wasn't the blockade or any of the living situation in the run up that created Hamas. I'm also not saying that Israel is blameless, but what I am saying is that Hamas has its own agency, which it has routinely used against peace, against Israel

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Hamas said its unprecedented offensive by land, air and sea was in response to the desecration of the Al Aqsa Mosque as well as Israeli atrocities against Palestinians over the decades. These include the 16-year blockade of Gaza, Israeli raids inside West Bank cities over the past year, increasing

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My understanding is that this edit request hasn't been addressed so far purely because those with edit privilege aren't willing to make these changes. The discussion so far clearly shows that this edit request aligns with wikipedia's editing policies to make the article stronger, so I'm forced to

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All of this makes sense to me, and I'm saying that we should apply the same standard for the rape accusations relevant to this edit request as described above, i.e. move them from the "Claims of..." section directly into the war crimes by Palestinian militant group section. In addition, we should

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I can't fully answer your question about inclusions about belligerents, but I'm guessing that they will be added if American troops or Houthis militiamen are directly engaged in combat. With that out of the way, it seems like this page should be renamed "Axis of Resistance-Israel War" soon. Every

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There's a lot of stuff that should be branched or deleted. But beyond that I would make one point about the presentation of the antebellum living situation. Obviously Gaza would be a pretty miserable place to live in. But Hamas predates the blockade by two decades. Ie Hamas was not created by the

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wrote that the increasing Israeli control over millions of Palestinians "incubated bloodshed". Prior to the attack, Saudi Arabia had warned Israel of an "explosion" as a result of the continued occupation, Egypt had warned of a catastrophe unless there was political progress, and similar warnings

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I wouldn't consider U.S. intelligence agencies independent sources in the context of this conflict, even though they are probably right about the hospital explosion casualties being inflated. When compared to UN figures in the past, Hamas figures were roughly the same, with a 5% margin of error.

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As written right now, we can not title this section "Disinformation" because none of that is disinformation, but rather just unverified and controversial claims. Some of that may be true, a lot maybe not true, but that might be clear only after independent investigations. And even after that, it

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I think that your proposal could be a better outcome overall, but until that edit is complete (it's a re-write of multiple sections) I think we should at least move the contents of the "Military forensic report" (odd heading) section away from "unconfirmed reports" and to the war crimes section.

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However, from the aspect of rigidity doctrine and strategy of the movement, both groups are much different. ISIS is an ultra-radical group hostile to all other communities and brutally attacked the community of which he considered infidels. While Hamas has a more soft ideology and commit acts of

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Regrettably, Israelis have reported more than just "Minors killed." I was mistaken in thinking that Israelis shared photographic evidence with the international press; it seems they shared it exclusively with the US administration through Blinken. The importance of verifiability is clear, and we

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So we agree on the issue of relevance. Given that these individuals regularly handle human remains as part of their work, calling them "certainly traumatized" might be stretching it. Do we have any sources that indicate ZAKA could be at risk of being misused or spreading false information in the

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In light of the initial assault involving multiple Palestinian factions, and recent engagements involving actors in Yemen, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon, this cannot be referred to as the current title. The term "Arab-Israeli conflict" is familiar to the English speaking reader, and is the proper term

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to implement at this time (another requirement is the request must present the exact prose desired to be inserted, where, and with the relevant sources to support it). So, I marked it as answered as a procedural matter so those browsing the queue of requested edits will only see edits which are

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US State Secretary. Additionally, several individuals in Israel, who are not affiliated with the government and include public figures, have been engaged in the processing of the bodies, providing further confirmation of these claims. Moreover, a number of international figures have attested to

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Looking through some of the archives, there doesn't seem to be a consensus on the accusations of baby beheadings. I have, however, seen several mentions of making sure all such atrocities are very well sourced. The baby beheading is also a section in the "Unconfirmed Reports" section, should we

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When changing the numbers to more recent values, make sure to also change the notes that state things such as "Including 1,756 children and 967 women." If these numbers come from different times, it can give the reader a false perception of the percentages of these groups of the total deaths or

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Correct that NOTCENSORED is not valid here, but your reading of NPOV itself is incorrect. NPOV doesnt mean we should use "absolutely neutral" type words - It means that our article should accurately reflect the weight in sources. Since most call it massacre, its not wrong to call it a massacre.

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Reserve Col. Golan Vach discovered decapitated children in Kibbutz Beeri near Gaza, suspecting non-rocket causes. A ZAKA team member reported numerous child casualties, including decapitated and burned infants and severe violence cases. Plentiful excellent sources exist, so there's no concern

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It seems like every other day, another Iranian backed militia throws its hat in the ring. Like there was the skirmishes on the Lebanese border and the Golan Heights with Hezbollah, the Iraqi PMUs saber rattling about intervening in Gaza and attacking American bases, and now the Yemeni Houthis

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Could it be made more concise then added to the Background Section? Because background is essentially what we're talking about here. Also what would be great would be getting rid of all the quotes and putting a trimmed down version in to Wiki voice. If you look at the Background Section of a

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At this point in time, the IDF and their forensic teams do maintain that beheadings of children and infants took place. The "40 beheaded babies" claim though, in particular, was the distortion of what seems to have been the overall amount of people who were at that time claimed to have been

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is practically a general fact of war. Almost all of the reports skeptical of the claims were published before the forensic report. I have to wonder where the line on moving it to the war crimes section is. I've mainly been focused on keeping it from being labeled "disinformation", that is,

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How many times do I have to reread the same articles over and over just to discover they do not claim that babies were decapitated? I just responded to the EFE article. I don't see this in the BBC article. Isn't it enough that they are dead without this unsupported claim? Enough.

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You made many good points in your response. Something that I should clarify is that my "request" for this page to be renamed "Axis of Resistance-Israel War" was actually me trying to use a half joke to make an attempt at a commentary, which I apologize for doing an abysmal job of

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I added the flags of the Palestinian leaders in accordance with their countries in the infobox as is the case for the Israeli leaders, my contribution was canceled twice. Why should we classify Palestinian leaders and politicians according to their political party or movement ?

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for instance should be revised to align more accurately with the sources. All our sources discuss what the IDF and ZAKA have stated, citing specific individuals and public figures, rather than relying on viral internet rumors. Additionally, there is a disjointed section titled

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Updated the IDF link to more relevant one. ZAKA should be credited for their work. If you have sources suggesting that ZAKA might be susceptible to abuse or spreading misinformation, please share those sources. I'm just pointing out that Landau and his team meticulously handled

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The ZAKA interviews have already been shown to be open to abuse and misinformation propagation - what we really need here are some Coroner's reports, but I understand that this rather crucial evidential step might have been avoided for the sake of privacy and other reasons.

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complaint. But I didn't hear him claim there were beheadings. I didn't hear the beheading question asked or answered. When the reporter explained it was difficult for the media to report from the field, he admitted that journalists have been killed by Israeli airstrikes.

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Is there any reason to think—let alone consensus—that Tasnim is credible or a WP:RS for imagery or video? After all, this is an outlet that spews anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, including that Henry Kissinger is behind a Jewish plot that created and released COVID-19.

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The government of Israel later posted photos of dead babies that they said were killed in the attack. The Jerusalem Post stated that these images confirmed that babies were decapitated, while NBC News stated that no photographic evidence that babies were decapitated was

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The Israeli military has not confirmed that this happened. There are several cites in the article. But it appears they have all originated with one I24 reporter's claim. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary resources. We have one poor source. This requires removal

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Currently I've found mention of two civilians and Lebanese journalist being killed in Lebanon by Israeli shelling, as well as two Syrian airport workers being killed, and I've gone ahead and included them in the table, but I don't know if this is the right call or not.

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They're a primary source, they aren't coroners, they're certainly traumatized, and, as it stands, no one seems willing to provide evidence to corroborate. We can quote quotes, weighted for their prevalence in sources, but beyond that, we're still far from the facts.

1781:. Massacre has certain connotations and implies brutality, which is not neutral. I think this word should only be used if it is the most common name of an event, IE in the case of the Boston Massacre. If we are to be neutral about the events of this war, the phrase " 3930:

All that says is Israel has said this, it also says no evidence was presented. It is attributing this to "a reserve warrant officer". We can update with the information sure, but saying the narrative voice this as fact is still not supported by independent sources.

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The entire current contention seems to hinge on the fact we don't know the name(s) of any of the victims. There are multiple eyewitness accounts, an Israeli military-forensic attestation, a video from a hostage-taking that may have indicated it, and of course that

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The man you're naming can't be trusted for his neutrality as you yourself mentioned that he is also a political figure what we need is an independent neutral source, only sources such as 'UN', 'Red Cross', 'hospital officials' or known neutral NGO can be trusted.

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There has been a number of reports of Iraqi PMU units deploying themselves to Lebanon and sable rattling about intervening in Gaza. However, any attempts at including them in the infoboxes get removed, as the accounts don't seem to have been fully authenticated

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I noticed there's a little disclaimer tucked away in the footnotes, but it was kind of hard to spot, even though I was on the lookout for it. In this whole mess, there's a huge gap between the numbers Hamas is putting out and what independent sources are

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There is clearly a double standard in the war crimes section. We're relying on what a belligerent is reporting in one side, and the other when it comes to rape/other awful things, we're NOT including them because it was "only" reported by a belligerent?

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and against the Palestinians and has been a major driving force in the creation of the antebellum Gaza strip and the current situation and that agency has created been one of the driving forces in forging the current situation, it is not a product of it.

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We don't know yet–which is the whole point. "The Vietnam War", "WWII", "WWI", and "The Civil War" have sundry other names, after all. And too, we're basically dealing with the Star Wars cantina scene here. Consider this analysis of the state of play:

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article where it belongs. There's no reason to have these duplicate sections at all. And why would they even be in separate sections, if they're both lists of "events"? The "Outside main conflict zone" should have been a sub-section of "Events".

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wrote that the Israeli occupation was "the longest in modern history" and created a "fuming volcano". The Associated Press wrote that Palestinians are "in despair over a never-ending occupation in the West Bank and suffocating blockade of Gaza".

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But is it this war? It's not Gaza and not Hamas although the group may contain some Hamas supporters/members. The call to arms is a likely response to all the recent arrests, raids and settler violence. There are other similar groups in the WB,

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However that merge request is resolved, it will clearly not be merged into this article for reasons noted on the talk page there. It's disproportionate and unhelpful to readers to have that banner on top of this much more prominent article.

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said Palestinians feel they have no choice but to resist in response to Israel's decades long oppressive treatment of Palestinians, even though they acknowledge attacking civilians is wrong and the methods Hamas has chosen are illegitimate.

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In certain ECP articles in the past, non-ECP accounts were prevented from participating in RfC's and move discussions. I don't know if that's the case here but given the controversial nature of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict it might be.

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roughly $ 100 million a year to Hamas. At a White House news conference on 12 October, Sullivan said Iran was "complicit" in the attacks, but the U.S. could not confirm whether Iran knew about the attack in advance or helped coordinate it.

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I think in all of these cases, we understandably won't wait until a more "independent" body actively verifies the reports. For consistency, we should apply the same standard everywhere, including in the cases related to this edit request.

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Nobody is suggesting the removal of Hamas numbers from the article. However, it's a good idea to discuss them in the article body with careful attribution, considering independent sources like U.S. intelligence agencies mentioned above.

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Hmm, this reasoning seems to be inconsistent with the way facts are established using other references in the article. For example, the article uses references that cite various Palestinian government bodies to report the number of dead,

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here. All figures released by belligerents are suspect, but the degree of distortion can be completely different, going to the reality denial territory in case of Hamas. The Economist interviewed one of Hamas's senior members, here is a

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This edit request was made in part because we already concretely know where the line is: it's been set by the writing of the current war crimes section (as discussed above). I only argued above that we should apply that line everywhere.

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Has this come up before? Apparently there are "thousands of missing Palestinians after the Israeli government cancelled work permits for Gazans" that have been "rounded up, arrested and blindfolded before being taken to military camps"

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or similar, and the relevant sources to accompany the edit (if applicable). Alternatively, once the consensus develops, anyone with sufficient permissions can simply enact it without bothering to use the edit request process for it.

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There may be some problems with the war crime section due to competitive editing but this is only going to make that situation worse. There is another discussion about the war crime section which may eventually resolve this issue as

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The hitting of ambulances and hospitals has been reported by independent sources like the WHO and news agencies. And it does not say deliberately targeted. What it says is there are reports of that, not saying as a fact it happened.

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couple of days or so now, there appears to be a new report of an Iranian aligned militia like the Lebanese Hezbollah, several PMUs in Iraq, and now the Houthis of Yemen, interfering or threatening to intervene in this current war.

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The Reuters article you linked is a report on the release of the death toll by the Hamas-run ministry, it doesn't say anything about the veracity of the number. The parroting of Hamas figures by media has been criticized by the

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AFAIK that is still true, but this wasnt an RFC nor a move discussion. This is a very trivial process compared to those, so just have a discussion about why it should be included. The onus lies on those asking for inclusion.

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While it's undeniable that the evidence may appear somewhat exaggerated, I am uncertain as to why, after a thorough review of the available sources, these references are still categorized as "Unconfirmed" within the article.

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I can understand moving it there too. But this article seems to lack any mention of anti-war activism by Israelis within Israel. I think that creates a false narrative that the Israeli population is united in being pro-war

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References fail verification that this organization is a belligerent in this war. References only claim that the group announced a mobilization and publicly called for its supporters to attack, particularly "lone wolves."

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That is just a discussion between an user with 15 edits and yourself. One user already appears to have voiced his opposition. Hamas figures were used in the past conflicts. They are also cited by reliable sources such as

2516:: thank you for your comments helping to reach a consensus to have the group removed as a belligerent. Now that this change has been made, would somebody mind removing the name of the Lions' Den from note , which reads: 1848:

I'll concede the NOTCENSORED point as long as it is clear that "massacre" is an appropriate term to use due to the prevalence of that term in reliable soruces. Not to use would be a POV issue, very much like calling the

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According to reports, the United States Navy shot down some missiles allegedly fired by Houthis in Yemen. Apparently, it is believed that Israel was the primary target. Should this incident be mentioned in this page?

3622:: "Blinken, who flew into Tel Aviv earlier on Thursday, told reporters he was shown photographs and videos of a baby riddled with bullets, soldiers beheaded and young people burned alive in their cars or hideaways." 1818:

NOTCENSORED is not relevant to NPOV violations. NOTCENSORED refers to the censorship of potentially offensive information, it doesn't give Knowledge free reign to take a certain viewpoint and use biased terminology.

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I suggest moving the huge section called "Regional and global effects" elsewhere. The idiocy of world politics (in my opinion) is much less important than the facts on the ground before, during, and after this war.

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Agree that the proposed name is inappropriate. In the event of Hezbollah joining in earnest (which frankly I see has far from likely), I expect RSs will be finally forced to agree on a proper name pretty swiftly.

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lamented that Palestinians have "no civil rights; no freedom of mobility". Cohen wrote that many Israelis assumed the Palestinian question had become a nonissue, and it had disappeared from the global agenda.

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I agree. The entire Timeline section can be just removed and moved to that page. It doesn't seem like this page's timeline section isn't even updated anymore from the last two days of events (October 18 19)

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US isnt exactly a party per se, the have been providing aid to the Palestinians as well. Granted, they have picked a view supportive of Israel, but their reports are still the more neutral amongst sources.

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I've gone ahead and removed it. The Trump statement is something he's been saying since the Ukraine war began. The others were just random pundits... one was a hedge fund manager. Very due for inclusion...

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For instance, according to Hamas, there were zero civilian casualties during their attack, which is clearly way off. And when it comes to that hospital explosion, the independent reports are all over the

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I'm fine with inclusion of attributed atrocities. I just don't think we should include facts not in evidence, like beheaded babies. I think there are plenty of atrocities in this war that are documented.

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and a former Israeli military intelligence officer, argued that the attacks were "part of the long-term vision of Hamas to eradicate Israel" and that "Hamas is not ready at all to give up on the jihad".

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Sure, but given this article's already enormous length "reactions" of various tangenitally related parties to the conflict should be kept to a minimum in the text itself. I wouldn't oppose a mention at

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assume that this edit request hasn't been addressed for a different reason. This seems like a bizarre yet systematic problem in controversial articles. Curious what is the procedure in this situation?

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I don't really think it matters if the babies were decapitated or not, what does really matter, and what does not appear to disputed, is that children were deliberately killed in the kibbutz attacks.

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criticized the media for accepting Hamas claims on the hospital blast without verification, and we're continuing to include those unconfirmed numbers in the infobox with a tiny "c" superscript.

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No Israeli victory for that one. Thank you for pointing that out. The source only states Israeli withdrew from Tulkarm, not a true victory, so I updated the engagement list accordingly. Cheers!

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I uploaded this photo to WikiCommons that I took and released all rights to. Please feel free to add it to the article if it would help with the visuals, potentially with the similar image in

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If this is about current section "Historical context", then I think it should be removed as partly a duplicate content and partly just a collection of personal opinions by various commenters.

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Didn't Lion's Den openly and officially declare war on Israel -- that is, according to Lion's Den, Lion's Den is a belligerent in this war. I guess that doesn't necessarily mean they are

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The source provided in respect of Femi Fani-Kayode's comments seem suspicious due to the references to the New World Order conspiracy theory. Please check if the source is appropriate. --

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refers to doing "kindness" for the benefit of the deceased, which is considered to be "true kindness", because the (deceased) beneficiaries of the kindness cannot return the kindness.

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massacre had a death toll of five; Palestinian terrorists killed over a thousand civilians when they invaded Israel on 7 Oct. Mass casualty incident would be ridiculously vague &

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Should Lebanese & Syrian civilian casualties, regardless of whether or not they occur in Lebanon or Syria or elsewhere, be included under "Foreign and dual-national casualties"?

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never hesitating to use force or collective punishment to keep organised Palestinians under check. This status quo has only turned Palestinians more radical and Hamas even stronger.

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They are providing direct military aid to Israel amid an active conflict. That is support. Has the US given Hamas any military aid? I think not. This is nonsensical equivocation.

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If there is a clear and present consensus to do something as of now, the request can be re-opened with an explanation of what the consensus is, the desired changes in the form of

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Even directly under the corresponding section of "War crimes by the Israel Government, Medical neutrality", the claims that Israel deliberately targeted medical vehicles use e.g.

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spillover was more widely reported on, not to mention so plausible that it practically feels imminent, given the events of the last weeks. So I see no reason to remove that part.

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Barring any source saying that Lions' Den partisans have actually fought Israel in this conflict, I agree with others here that they should not be included as cobelligerent.

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merits the measly 5 paragraphs allotted to it. As I said, other sections in the article are far less important, and need to be shortened and spun off into more articles. --

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There are plenty of equally "unconfirmed reports" in the war crimes section as well, so this move would just concentrate everything under the same heading, which improves

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mentioned "Unverified reports of ‘40 babies beheaded" and viral posts, we haven't discussed those, so using NBC' denial in the context of this section is inappropriate.

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blockade. But it goes beyond that, Hamas was and is categorically against a two state solution, when Fatah and the PLO were doing the Oslo accords Hamas did a series of

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figures for Gaza of 81% of people living below the poverty level, and 63% being food insecure and dependent on international assistance. ABC News also reported the UN

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The list of groups included Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine and the Lions' Den.

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It is accurate to describe a series of mass killings against noncombatant civilians during a military operation as a series of massacres. What you're engaging in is

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As for the 260 partygoers gunned down at a music festival, he says that was a “coincidence”; that they might have looked to their attackers like soldiers “resting”

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Putting the Lebanese flag for Hezbollah is incorrect. The government of Lebanon is not the same as Hezbollah. Neither is PA/Fatah same as Hamas or Islamic Jihad.

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are very poor sources for a dramatic claim that babies were decapitated by Hamas. Perhaps they were. If there is eventually actual evidence, it belongs. Not now.

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so some renaming and a clarification of the scope are necessary. I plan to split "Regional and global effects" which seems like a straightforward improvement.

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decapitated. A distortion which seems to have originated among journalists, especially the October 10th i24 report, and a French television correspondent.

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This needs further third party statements to back it up. Users in this discussion are saying they don't want Hamas figures in the article because.... "

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did not receive photographic evidence from the Israeli or US administration, and they couldn't find such evidence online, despite their efforts. While

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It indicates that reliable sources think the quotes are of interest to their readers, and it grants weight here; it does not convey 'trustworthiness'.

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More than 4,100 people have been killed in Gaza, according to the Health Ministry run by Hamas. That includes a disputed number of people who died in

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There's a lot of quoting of US government sources going on here. The US is now very firmly party to this conflict: it is re-arming one side. We need

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https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-biden/card/watch-protests-spread-across-middle-east-after-gaza-hospital-blast-dvOOAmOKxJhh50zRy4dI

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The satellite image that shows fires in and around Gaza has the following caption: "Satellite view of widespread fires in Israel on 7 October 2023

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Why not mention the protests in Cairo, Morocco and Jordan? This section seems to imply that the Arab world isn't on the ground protesting for Gaza

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I'm pretty sure we shouldn't be putting too much stake in the U.S. State Department either at this present juncture and in this specific context.

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Based on the existing sources within the article, there is a substantial amount of evidence, including photographs that have been shared with the

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he's talking about what's happening in other villages too, and because of his position, he probably has the answer to your question. There's that

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emphasizing the difference between unconfirmed reports and disinformation. But I have to wonder just how unconfirmed it really is by this point.

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Unless it actually results in anything, I don't think it should be given much, if any weight. ISIS is a shadow of a what it was in 2014/2015.

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dubbed "mowing the grass," to keep Hamas in check, aiming to minimize the militant threat to a tolerable extent. American political scientist

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Do we cite Hamas for Israeli civilian casualties? If not I fail to see the relevance of your quote besides an attempt at poisoning the well.

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Why did you remove all casualties from the infobox? There hasn't been a dispute regarding them. The argument regarding Russia-Ukraine war is

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of the human remains, whether Israeli or Palestinian, inside Israel, as part of their religious mission, and they have the complete picture.

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https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2023/10/14/Israeli-strikes-on-Gaza-kill-324-including-126-children-in-past-24-hours-Ministry

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I read that three times. Where does it say babies were beheaded? Unless there were soldiers who were babies. There still is no evidence.

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Likewise, attacks from militants in Syria will likely continue despite the Syrian government itself not being involved in the conflict.

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page might be wise too. I don't know what else. Anyway, what is the actual effect of hitting this limit? I just assumed "nothing good".

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I significantly trimmed the "Emergency unity government" section as an immediate measure, hope that's fine. Movement of content to the

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Let's not get ahead of ourselves. To the best of my knowledge neither Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthi, Syria, or Iran have even used the term

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The bolded part seems unnecessary. While true, it's irrelevant to the picture shown and is not neutral wording. It needs to be removed

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There is currently not widespread reporting on anti-war Israelis from reliable sources. That will probably change in the near future.

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a total of 1.4 million Palestinians have been displaced, rather than the 1,000,000 sited in the article, from a source from the 15th.

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Perhaps it has a place here, since the story has evolved, he was assaulted, and is now in hiding. However, this is most pertinent at

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This discussion still ongoing? Thought we established ages ago that there is nothing credible backing this up, at best unconfirmed.

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There are many more authoritative articles on the terrible living conditions in Gaza before the war. Many from the UN. For example:

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Talk:List of Islamist terrorist attacks#Should Operation Al-Aqsa Flood by Hamas included in the list of Islamist Terrorist attacks?

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Talk:List of Islamist terrorist attacks#Should Operation Al-Aqsa Flood by Hamas included in the list of Islamist Terrorist attacks?

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and its first subsection for Gaza. One would think its many subsections would be covering the terrible living conditions in Gaza

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make clear that this evidence was reported by the Israeli military forensics. I'll update the edit request to add this wording.

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cleanup has begun after the Israel Defense Forces battled Hamas militants to regain control of the city and its police station.

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There are only 40 characters of wikitext left until templates start getting cut off. This article needs a split desperately.

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allegedly launching missiles at Israel. If this pattern keeps escalating, how will it affect the nomenclature of this page?

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https://www.unocha.org/publications/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-flash-update-15

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Why is this still not done? The entire "Events" and "Outside main conflict zone" sections should be directly moved to the

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As far as I can tell, the primary reliable source for bodies condition, independent of the Israeli government, would be

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How accurate is this statement? (currently in the war crimes section, under the massacres by Palestinian militant groups:

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writes that Palestinian attempts to solve the conflict via negotiations or non-violent boycotts have been fruitless. For

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An article about it, citing an infographic in the group's paper titled "Practical ways to support Muslims in Palestine".

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Frankly, I'd rather be beheaded than burned to death. The problems with using beheaded in this article is that it fails

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talkpage. I think there's more to it than just I24 account, but the origins of the claims should be clearly attributed.

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Further, the designation of Hamas as a terrorist entity and its legitimacy will likely be reconsidered internationally.

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source that doesn't dive into as much detail. I wouldn't be shocked if he's given more interviews to reliable sources.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:2023_Israel–Hamas_war#Add_more_details_about_HAMAS_war_crimes_in_the_war_crimes_section

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should rely on credible sources to avoid the spread of misinformation. Upon reviewing the available sources in the

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refused to negotiate the peace process, adding fuel to the fire, and that the rights of Palestinians were ignored.

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To be fair, not their fault that no one else bothered to participate in that discussion apart from a new account.

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The "reactions in Israel" section should include a section on violence against anti-war Israelis like Israel Frey

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It is stating it in wiki voice. If the consensus is that it's not adequately sourced, it may need to be modified.

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/12/war-crime-gaza-medics-say-israel-targeting-ambulances-health-facilities

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There are two interviews provided above. There are a bunch of Yossi Landau's (ZAKA) interviews in written form

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Look at my second contribution, I changed only flags of leaders. That's about what I ask in the talk page. --

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I hadn't realized there was now a section for Islamist groups on that page. I'll go ahead and take it there.

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I'll try to keep this brief and not too 'grisly', but I have difficulty imagining what photographic evidence

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incident, but did not add the US or Houthis to the belligerents list. What is the threshold for inclusion?

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for inclusion; I'm finding very little RS about Lion's Den's declaration/statement/whatever, but there's

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Agree -- that all claims from all military organizations and politicians be taken with a grain of salt.

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Reading through the article, actually, there are other areas that should probably be edited down first.

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on Monday in Parliament that “the children of Gaza have brought this upon themselves.” Jonathan Ofir,

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killed in the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict since 2008 through September 2023, before this war.

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from a video, purportedly of a Palestinian ambulance hit by an Israeli missile. But it's sourced to

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might be not ultimately clear, but remain a controversy with claims and counterclaims by all sides.

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The "Reactions" section does not reference the main article, but there's already an article titled

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when militants set fires, massacred civilians and took hostages at areas neighboring the Gaza Strip

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pointed to the uptick in Israeli–Palestinian violence in 2023 as portending war, and claimed that

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Islamist Ideology and Its Effect on the Global Conflict: Comparative Study between Hamas and ISIS

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the damage was caused by a hand held sharp instrument rather than red-hot flying metal or glass?

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This article says the IDF conducted a raid—not that a large-scale ground offensive has begun. --

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Here is another recent scholar source comparing Hamas, ISIS and other names we all know

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were given by Palestinian Authority officials. Less than two months before the attacks,

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I was referring more to the significance through the lens of the Arab World reaction.

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Hamas said its attack was in response to the blockade on Gaza, continued settlements,

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and the word "unconfirmed" is not what I encountered in the sources I've examined.

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No, that depends on specific military organization, specific politician (consider

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attacks by settlers on Palestinians as well as the growth of illegal settlements.

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I concur with Iskandar323. Haaretz is already reliable so why not cite it here?

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remove the beheading mentions in the "Timeline" and "War Crimes" sections?

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References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button)

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wars, which involved a range of nation states going to war with Israel.--

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Slightly naughty to make such changes after such a brief exchange.

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violence in the context of resistance against Israeli colonialism.

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List of military engagements during the 2023 Israel–Hamas war

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amongst other things. Something doesn't seem solid there. --

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regarding the reliability policy, but caution is vital.

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